DEATH BATTLE

So, in the situation of Gurren Lagann taking out Shinji, and the Eva unit then going berserk and tearing apart the Gurren Lagann, would that be a draw, because Shinji and Simon both lose, or a victory for the Eva unit in particular (but not for Shinji)?

Also, here's another idea for a giant robot match up: Six X Six Majin vs The Wonderful 101 (in Platinum Robo and Gah-Goojin mechs).

edited 15th Jul '14 5:21:08 PM by Enlong

The only sure way of killing an Eva Unit is either to completely destroy its body or to smash its core - which tends to explode rather violently. The entry plug is located in the Eva's spine, so in order to kill him the Gurren Lagaan would have to drill through her and probably her core as well. However, the link between the Eva and its pilot cause injuries dealt to the former to cause pain to (and if they're synced enough appear om) the latter. Hence Shinji's hands being pierced during the fight against Sahaquiel and him vomiting blood in the fight against Zeruel. If Shinji is killed and Yui kills Simon and Kamina on her own, I would guess it would be a victory for Unit-01.

edited 15th Jul '14 6:19:24 PM by Arawn999

Minor quibble: If we're going for the most powerful incarnations of the characters, I think it would be Simon and Viral, rather than Simon and Kamina, as Simon and the Gurren Lagann are decidedly more powerful later in the series.

However, if Shinji syncs too much, he tangs and no longer has a physical form. His soul is still part of the Eva, and he can recover from that state. The Eva's biggest moments (the fight with Zeruel in both continuities) tanged Shinji.

Whether or not that is considered defeat...
I can't rightfully say.
It should also be noted that, should Unit-01 reach that state, it is effectively unstoppable. If Shinji is still conscious at that point, and willing the conflict to continue, he can effectively cause the Evangelion equivalent of the Spiral Nemesis.

edited 15th Jul '14 6:27:01 PM by zeromaeus

If Shinji can recover from that state, I'd call that a win for him, if he then manages to kill Simon and Viral. Since Simon can't recover from getting killed.

I am now picturing ADAM-Mode Unit-01 doing to Gurren Lagaan what she did to Zeruel.

edited 15th Jul '14 6:51:13 PM by Arawn999

Just found out there's a light novel series currently running where Unit-01 suffered damage that should have killede Shinji. It tanged him and gave him control. So yay, precedent.

edited 15th Jul '14 6:57:32 PM by zeromaeus

Light novel?

edited 15th Jul '14 7:00:56 PM by Arawn999

Neon Genesis EVANGELION (3 Years After) -ANIMA-

Its an alternate continuity where End of Evangelion didn't happen, Kaji wasn't shot and Unit-00 wasn't entirely destroyed.

I looked it up and I doubt it's canon. It's essentially a What If? storyline that disregards Episodes 25 and 26 and End of Evangelion while incorporating elements of the Rebuild continuity. And apparently Shinji's soul is assimilated into Unit-01 when Rei Quatre tries to kill him and his body is converted into LCL, though it later reforms, making him both the pilot and the Eva itself. In addition, Rei 3 has a Hive Mind and controls two bodies (Rei Cinq and Rei Six, with Rei Quatre having gone rogue), and Asuka is fused with Unit-02 and turns into a 40-meter tall Womanchild Robot Girl with Most Common Super Power.

edited 15th Jul '14 7:58:35 PM by Arawn999

It isn't canon to the other continuities, no, but it does add precedent for character feats since its the same setting, but with altered events. Its the same as comparing classic NGE to Rebuild. You just have to assess the differing circumstances and take what you can.

Eva is like that.

Hell, we didn't get the story behind Adam and Lilith until one of the games provided it.

edited 15th Jul '14 7:09:54 PM by zeromaeus

Hideaki Anno wasn't involved in it, whereas he was the brains behind the original NGE and RoE, and was the guy who provided the Classified Information revealed in said video game, so it's not quite the same. It's essentially a fan fiction/doujinshi taken to the next level due to being made by Ikuto Yamashita, who was the guy who designed the Eva Units in both official continuities. It would be like using info from Shinji Ikari Raising Project, Neon Genesis Evangelion: Angelic Days, or Neon Genesis Evangelion: Campus Apocalypse.

edited 15th Jul '14 7:48:20 PM by Arawn999

Alright. The fight with Zeruel still stands.

True, and in addition that at least eliminates her need to be plugged in due to assimilating Zeruel's S2 Organ. At most, it turns her into a borderline Energy Being Physical God.

edited 15th Jul '14 7:59:28 PM by Arawn999

Imagine what Unit-01 could do if it consumed whatever is in the gunmen that allows them to harness Spiral Energy...

I've only watched the first 19 episodes of the original Evangelion... and out of all that, was there some scene where Unit-01 out-Simon'd Simon?

I mean, EVA Unit-01 consuming Gurren Lagann? How does that happen?

Unit-01 with a Spiral Engine? That would be badass, but Shinji wouldn't be able to provide much Spiral Energy.

She eats them? Yui probably needs more iron in her diet, anyway. Also, try Rebuild of Evangelion 2.22: You Can (Not) Advance: Shinji was so determined to save Rei that Unit-01 Curb Stomp Battles Unit-00!Zeruel with Angel powers, becomes an Energy Being, and wipes out 90% of humanity to pull it off

edited 10th Jul '15 5:48:58 PM by Arawn999

Unit-01 is just capable of more than Simon (& Viral) unassisted.

Its greatest feats are exhibited in the second Rebuild movie. It effectively became god because Shinji wouldn't give up.

In the third film she retains her Eye Beam abilities (at least) and saves Asuka's butt, but that's small potatoes compared to the end of the second film and she spends the rest of the film snoozing.

edited 15th Jul '14 9:16:30 PM by Arawn999

...and Simon's powering up blew up a fleet of ships.

When you say "effectively became God", what exactly did EVA-01 do that it didn't do in the original? Was this an implied "god" status, or did it start full out reality warping, or begin chucking black holes as boomerangs?

edited 15th Jul '14 9:28:37 PM by FOFD

She effortlessly killed Zeruel, the most powerful angel at that point - who itself had assimilated Unit-00 and effortlessly taken down Beast Mode Unit-02 - and then transformed into an Adam while kicking off Third Impact to pull Rei's soul out of its core. Near-Third Impact reduces at least Japan to a wasteland and kills off most of what was left of humanity after Second Impact.

I'd provide a video, but all of them have been taken down. :(

edited 15th Jul '14 9:40:00 PM by Arawn999

Kawarou said most of the world was affected.

Unit-01 was displaying some pretty wicked Reality Warping is what it amounts to. It was in the process of ascending to pure energy being status.

edited 15th Jul '14 10:12:00 PM by zeromaeus

Alright, I suppose the question I should be asking is: how powerful are the Angels that, by defeating them, Shinji/Unit O1 is more destructive than Gurren Lagann, a machine similarly powered by willpower? I can guarantee you, if Shinji's world-destroying power is just from "not giving up", Simon can match it.

My question is why EVA Unit 01 would gain Spiral Energy from Gurren Lagann then, in that case? And would Yui be able to break Simon? The Anti-Spiral tried that shit too and it didn't work - and he trapped them in a Lotus-Eater Machine to do so.

Again, how powerful are these Angels? If we're listing number of enemies killed, Simon and Kamina killed their share, and broke the control that a mutant species had over the planet.

"Goddess"? What does that mean in the context of Evangelion? Is it a "stand there and have blaring energy readings" goddess? or a "holy shit she just nuked three countries with the bat of an eyelash" goddess? Are we talking - Father from FMA, who claims to hold a sun in his hand but doesn't get the chance to use it, or Alucard, who quite literally storms a city and rips his opposition apart?

Given that Lagann steals abilities, I wonder what Lagann would steal from Unit-01... berserk rage, a soul? AT field?

I find it amusing that you brought up "logic defying, insanely powerful Berserker Rage". Fighting Gurren Lagann is a bad idea, as that form seems to kick the most ass. The Anti-Spiral broke through Super, Tengen, Chou, and Arc - it was Gurren that stopped it, at least temporarily, and broke its drill. Simon gets more powerful the smaller his mechs become, the more and more desperate he is to win.

Or, with big bad Yui being that close, I can't see Simon ''not'' ripping her out of her godly palace, yanking her into an alternate dimension, and challenging her to a bare-knuckle brawl.

That's only for the Chouginga (moon-sized), Tengen (larger than a universe), and Super Tengen (the Tengen form is barely an inch in comparison) forms. Simon pumps out a lot of juice on his own. The fleet-destroying feat was done with Viral, who had no Spiral Power whatsoever.

...I honestly don't see that happening, but I'm ignorant of Rebuild's action scenes, so shrug. GL's speciality is drilling through stuff. Enemy mechs, titanium, space, time, probability, philosophical differences, survivor's guilt...

Depends. If the battle is about the pilots, then Shinji would lose, but for sake of humor, it might be a tie. If its the mechs, then clearly Unit 01 would be standing.

I'm almost certain Gurren Lagann's parents were nuclear bombs. Which is to say EVA Unit's self-destruct would have to be pretty damn big to affect GL.

Destroying the entire body in one sitting would not be a problem.

EDIT:

Is that it? If blowing up Japan and slaughtering humanity is Unit-01's maximum power setting then... -yawn- Godzilla does that like once a film, doesn't he?

edited 15th Jul '14 10:19:01 PM by FOFD

It killed most of the remaining human population as a side-effect of existing. Japan was ripped asunder from its presence alone.

Mechas do that. Their sheer presence makes things cease to be.