Same pic as...: Signature Scene

...Spaghetti Kiss. So, any suggestions?

geez. Look at the examples list (especially the Film section. Any one of them would work. We just have to figure out which ones are already in use on another page or spoilers.

And then pick one of the others..

edited 1st Jul '11 11:42:07 AM by Madrugada

The problem with that is, any such pic would be JAFAAC.

Bullshit. That's not what JAFAAC is. JAFAAC is "You have to take our word for it that this is an example because there's nothing in the picture itself to indicate it."

The definition of Signature Scene is "the scene that is strongly remembered about a work." It's all about not having to be told which work it's from.

I immediately thought of this scene◊. What would that say to someone who hasn't heard of it? My point is that for an image to really work, it would have to be universally recognizable. And I thought image pickin' worked on the principle that nothing is.

edited 1st Jul '11 12:03:44 PM by ArtisticPlatypus

Thats not the exact scene that people remember its the shadow of the knife with the shower curtain.

(if we want say like a few copied scenes of that there was a shot for shot copy of the Psycho scene in Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei I can grab some shots.)

edited 1st Jul '11 12:14:31 PM by Raso

Really? I think of the face when I think of the film in question. Well, here's◊ the curtain.

We do occasionally assume some things are universally recognizable. It's just we have a much higher threshold for it than most fans would like.

Not exactly the moment I ment the scene just before the curtain pull back.

(Here is the scene in Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.... so iconic it crossed the pond.)

It means that you personally don't know about that movie. That's all. We don't require universal knowledge. And the trope isn't "Absolutely everyone in the word knows this scene." It's "If you've seen this movie or show, you probably remember this scene, and you may well know the scene even if you've never seen the work at all."

But images are supposed to demonstrate the trope to everyone, including people unfamiliar with the source material.

I have never seen psycho and I know that scene by heart. Same for say Star Wars the Luke, I Am Your Father reveal (any part.) Its ALIVE! from Frankenstein or well any of the others on that list. (some in the anime section like Gundam's Last shooting scene got like 50 model kits and 3 video games based on it and copied many times)

Now we could go with any live action example on that list that's the been copied many many times route and have like 6 expies of it. (although 6 expies would probably be enough for a subtrope.)

edited 1st Jul '11 12:27:07 PM by Raso

This trope is reliant on knowing something about the source material — at least one scene.

How do you mean? I could understand what the trope was about even if I didn't know any of those scenes.

It feels sort of weird saying this to a mod, but this seems to me like one of those pages that would normally have to be either illustrated by a lampshade or left imageless.

And regarding the universal recognizability of the Psycho scene.. I know the scene despite not having seen the film. However, a couple years ago I had no idea it existed, and any parody of it would just have baffled me.

We cant work for the lowest common denominator here.

From the first post of the Image Changin' Etiquette thread:
'There's generally only one question involved on the issue of a page image- does this image accurately reflect the sentiment of the trope without requiring context from the referenced work?'

Depends on the definition of 'context', but if 'knowledge of existence of scene in work, and pop cultural status of scene' falls under that definition, I'd say it backs up my opinion.

The sentiment of the trope. That's key. In this case the sentiment of the trope is not "everybody in the world will know this scene". It's "if you know about this work at all, you'll know this scene". If you don't know the work at all, if you know nothing about it, then there is no image that will work. And we do not and never have required universal recognition of a page image.

I don't claim that we require universal recognition on page image. I claim that we require universal demonstration ability; If the demonstration relies on recognition, then we require universal recognition.

If an example can't picture it, we try to find an image that lampshades/discusses the trope generally ('Hey Alice, how many movies have you seen parody the shower scene from Psycho? Do people even know anything else about that film?'). If we can't find one, we leave it imageless.

I don't understand why this trope would be an exception.

Parody is one of the highest form of flattery (which is why I was using that as a reference).

Now a scene that has transcended above just another scene in a work. Now works and people that break the lines of JAFAAC like Darth Vader, Psycho, It Was His Sled and such are fine for this.

This trope is the scene itself. Not parodies of it, not people discussing it. The actual scene.

For the record, there's a group image of the woman holding her arm out in the original and remake version of Psycho on It's the Same, Now It Sucks!. Not that the scenes currently suggested are not alright, but just a warning that that frame probably isn't ideal.

It's not JAFAAC, it might be a case of Fan Myopia though.

How about the Pics of post #25 & #27 from this thread

Or one of the 50 chosen by empire? Most are really old.

Here's a parody of this trope (using a real example of it). For example, if we managed to crop out the panels from 'not so, my lord' to 'bloody genius' in a way that looked decent, that would probably demonstrate it even to people who have never heard of Hamlet.

Personally, I think people worry too much about people not knowing the work the picture is from, to the point that an inferior picture in quality is chosen over a simpler and better picture.

For example, I never seen Psycho, yet I recognize her face, since it had been printed all over the place. It's an ideal picture because of the quality of it. The suggestion up , goes to far in order to demonstrate the trope. The panel lines aren't drawn straight, and four panels are too much for the sake of demonstrating it.

The Viewers Are Morons viewpoint isn't the way to go. We have to take chances. For every one reader who happened to never heard of the scene, there are thousands out there who did.

EDIT: The Darth Vader picture could work too, since Star Wars is at the top of The List. I'd like to see it shrunken down first, though.

edited 2nd Jul '11 12:26:35 PM by chihuahua0