Split: Animesque

As it was proposed in This YKTTW, the current definition of Animesque was ment to cover a certain cartoon and comics art style, that is used by western artists to make them appear exactly like an anime. (so much, that, insisting that it's not actual anime, might even sound like nitpicking).

In practice, it is used for every somehow Japan-inspired work, including live action.

Should insist on the original definition, and launch the above-proposed narrative counterpart, or just expand it to how it is used?

This should be "non Japanese animation using anime specific art / visual tropes" like Puni Plush, Tareme Sweat Drop, etc.

edited 18th Jun '11 2:08:05 PM by Raso

It should mean what "-esque" is usually used to mean: "in the style of". Not "indistinguishable from". Not "Exactly like". Not "uses the same tropes as", considering how may tropes anime shares with western comics and animation.

"In the style of".

edited 18th Jun '11 2:08:39 PM by Madrugada

What the fox said.

So we should launch a new trope called Non Japanese Anime or Western Anime or somesuch? The current YKTTW needs work.

I've only used it as an art style trope. How in the world would something Live Action even fit?

x4 describing an Anime like show (visually) requires certain things such as the way eyes are drawn and so on which we have tropes for that. That's what the the trope name used for and that's what this was/ should be.

I am assuming that the live action thing is like how The Matrix was inspired by and heavily influenced by Ghost In The Shell movie. (The brothers even showed the movie to the studio to show what kind of movie they wanted to make but still thats not this trope.)

Right now this is just being used as Inspired By An Anime which is wrong. Before someone says "So and so was like an anime"... Anime covers all genres and are wildly varied and only share certain visual features with exception of western influenced shows like X Men Anime.

edited 18th Jun '11 8:14:15 PM by Raso

The Matrix, nothing. Watch the Wachovski's film version of Speed Racer. That is a live-action anime.

Not all anime is Generic Shounen crap.

The Speed Racer movie shares nothing with say B Gata H Kei.

edited 18th Jun '11 8:43:20 PM by Raso

That's irrelevant. If the work is in the style of any type of anime, it's animesque. It doesn't have to be one particular genre within anime.

Yet that style can be an has been used in other works not related to anime in anyway. I could call Star Wars this or any random mystery show is this because it's like Detective Conan.

and that is not how the term is used... It's used to describe the Art Style. Look at thing like Avatar The Last Airbender, Power Puff Girls and such thats this trope.

Inspired By An Anime should be a whole other trope.

edited 18th Jun '11 9:00:14 PM by Raso

For Speed Racer, the Wachovskis employed special cameras so the entire field of vision could be in focus simultaneously. For closeup shots of Speed behind the wheel of the Mach 5, everything outside the cockpit is replaced with computer-generated Speed Stripes. When young Speed first sees Trixie, the bokeh behind her literally takes the shape of hearts to indicate his feelings. When Rex and Speed drive down a suburban street, there is a Wraparound Background—including a person on a bicycle who rings a bell every time they ride past, whose only conceivable purpose for inclusion was to draw the viewer's attention to the repetitive background.

When I say that Speed Racer was animesque, that's what I'm talking about.

For being live action, Speed Racer tried amazingly hard to look visually like anime. I'd say it counts.

The overall style of the artwork maybe animesque, but things like the use of Wraparound Background or Speed Lines aren't what make it so. Those were used in Western Animation long before anime started using it.

That's why simply saying "uses the same tropes" isn't enough — which tropes are used matter. They need to be tropes that are not generally used in western animation and cartooning. So Wraparound Backgrounds or Speed Lines aren't enough, since they're also very western. But some versions of Ocular Gushers (particularly the "wide streams of water running down the characters face), the spiky look of Anime Hair or Cherry Blossoms would contribute to an animesque look; those rarely found in Western works that don't have a strong anime influence.

edited 18th Jun '11 10:04:24 PM by Madrugada

I've seen very, very few western animations that really look like anime.

Avatar is probably the closest I've ever seen.

They don't have to look just like anime. They have to be "in the style of" anime.

Well yes, and I can think of even fewer that fit both of those.

There's more examples in...ugh, "Amerimanga".

I would want this to be an art style trope for Western works (e.g. Teen Titans or Avatar The Last Airbender). If you start broadening it to include things like The Matrix, you might never stop, since any other work might share tropes with some animé.

Fair enough, my bad.

edited 19th Jun '11 9:48:16 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

Not the same tropes. The same visual style. It's an aesthetic trope.

So, it's OK to split off this trope about cases when Japanese themes are used, right?

edited 25th Jun '11 11:40:47 AM by EternalSeptember

Bump

-Looks at last post date-

-Looks at today's date-

It's been a month, what's the status of the repair?

The YKTTW is still up.

Still working, I'm afraid.

To me this trope sounds like "Japanese style animation made in the west". Like Japonism, but in an anime specific sense.

The biggest issue I see with the trope is that people are shoving in "Animated in Asia" as supposedly the reason why it's animesque (It even says NOT to confuse it in the description). The fact is most non-Disney studios outsource to Asian animation studios to do the "in-betweener" grunt work.

As an example, Batman The Animated Series owes a lot more to the old Fleisher studios Superman cartoons than anything else, along with gangster movies and noir themes. Superman The Animated Series was patterning itself off the BTAS formula. Batman Beyond was when the DCAU started to embrace some more anime inspiration, in both the visual designs and action sequences.