Split?: I Know That Gun

The description says this is about improperly placed firearms, like Just Plane Wrong. On the other hand, I usually see it used as Hey Its That Guy for guns. Is that worthwhile distinction?

I think the latter would qualify as a valid trope, but only if you can find enough examples.

Well, I think that any example of a gun that is not improperly placed in a work should not really be an example of I Know That Gun. I think the trope description only really allows for the use of a gun that does not fit the work because of it being outdated or too modern for the context of the work.

That being said, I agree that there are a good number of examples which seem to me to be "I recognize Q gun in show Y." I think the name of the trope seems to suggest that meaning too, so I wonder if some moving around of examples is in order or something.

Also, the laconic for this trope kind of confuses me as well. I think it seems similar to the latter trope described in the original post of this thread.

I am not sure if this is just me, but I do not think that laconic entry is very clear at all.

edited 28th May '11 6:36:22 PM by LouieW

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The first is a trope (like a Hollywood X type of trope), the second is an audience reaction/trivia.

The Laconic is wrong. I know what it's trying to say, it's just wrong though. It's where a (fictional) prop gun is made of a real weapon or a model of a real weapon. For example, the blasters from Star Wars were all (to my knowledge) real guns/models of guns with plastic bits glued on.

edited 28th May '11 6:39:45 PM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.

Well, then I guess we should rewrite this trope as its being used, and YKTTW the intended trope under a better name. Impoperly Placed Firearms?

Discar,

I agree with Deboss here. If the second type of use of I Know That Gun is not a trope, then I think that if anything the current trope should be renamed, its laconic entry fixed, and any examples that do not fit its description either just cut outright or moved somewhere (like to a trivia page or something). I do not think it makes much sense to move the only examples that actually are a trope to a YKTTW and keep the ones that are just reaction/trivia examples.

I made a page action crowner here. I am not sure if renaming the trope should be a different option than cutting all examples that do not conform to the current trope description. If those options should be separate, someone can feel free to separate them for me.

edited 29th May '11 11:08:08 AM by LouieW

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

Bump for more votes.

Personally, I think I Know That Gun sounds like a trope for when a person in-story knows the weapon, and knows its owner.

For example: "I know that gun! That's Betsy, Bob's gun."

I think a split is warranted, but the wrong one is described. Frankly, I don't think we need Hey Its That Guy for That Guys, even less for firearms (We Are Not IMFDb.)

Seems to me the split should be:

• What the Laconic describes: Fake (usually science-fictional) guns made from real ones
• Guns that are out of place (like Russian soldiers in WWII using AK-47s and the like.)

Jet-a-Reeno!

Exactly what I thought of when I clicked the link: "I know those guns."

"I know that gun; it's the wrong one/they didn't have those back then," didn't come to mind.

edited 4th Jul '11 4:35:39 AM by Artemis92

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I recommend putting the Hey Its That Gun in the Just for Fun Namespace.

Fight smart, not fair.

I suggest a cleaning of the description additionally to a rename and example clean up. We don't need one third of the trope description to complain how horrible it was when a show didn't use the trope.

The Laconic Needs to be fixed, it's basically describing the A.K.A47 trope, which in itself needs to be fixed since people are using it when ever they see something that looks kind of similar to a gun they know, not blatantly misnaming what are supposed to be real weapons as a way of avoiding copyright issues or because of Did Not Do The Research mistakes. Of course since the repair shop is past it's discussion limit full of inactive threads, no-one's going to be working on it anytime soon.

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The "edit..." option's 11 points in the green. Should we call it?

edited 20th Dec '11 5:54:38 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

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Calling in favour of editing out the examples I Know That Gun that are not about improperly placed firearms and renaming the trope.

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Given the support for a rename, there is now an alternative titles crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

I think Improperly Placed Firearms is an alright name since there is evidence that a less clear name will lead to misuse.

Anyway, I figure that when should start with the cleanup once we settle upon a name, but if someone wants to start early, that might not be an awful idea either.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

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Bump

Definitely need to rename and split this. I wish I could think of something witty along the lines of Just Plane Wrong, but nothing comes to mind.

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Improperly Placed Firearm is at 7:0, nothing else is green.

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I think the quorum is 15 votes. So, not ready to call.

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^^ We don't have a firm quorum number set. This crowner has been open for over a month; it's probably got about all the votes it's going to get (since it's only gotten three more in the last 16 days); the lead has a 9:1 consensus; and there's not much chance it's going to turn around.

Calling the crowner at

8 (yeas:9 nays:1) 9.00 : 1 Improperly Placed Firearms

-2 (yeas:2 nays:4) Wrong Context Guns

Now comes actually making the change. Thread has been "All that's left is the actual work" starred

edited 3rd Mar '12 9:28:28 PM by Madrugada

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