Split and rename: Power Trio

I'm not sure, but I think that's an Example as a Thesis.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I think it is the case. In which people took too much literally and thought the example is what described the trope.

What we should investigate now is which of the two definitions is the most popular for 'Power Trio'. Then redefine/clean up the pages and create another trope for the other definition.

It's a sort-of inversion of Example as a Thesis. What the description is doing is basically saying "In fiction, it's common to have X. This trope is about Y, which is a type of X." The description even gives several variations of Superego, Ego and Id dynamics.

edited 29th Mar '11 6:15:07 PM by MC42

"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."

Several? It gives two: Betty and Veronica and Good Angel, Bad Angel. See, you are one who are confusing what the trope is. Which is normal, considering that everyone adding examples also are making the same mistake.

Again, what we should do now is discover which definition is most used in the wikis. Make this definition the official one and rewrite the page and examples.

Right, because I'm the one that's misunderstanding the tropes and it's not you simply not reading. And if you bothered to look at the page history and archived discussion, you'd see that the general understanding among those editing it is that this page was supposed to represent Superego, Ego and Id. And if you checked the wick sample, you'd see that most of the uses are either not rationalized at all, which means it's likely they're not really examples of Superego, Ego and Id, or they're clear misuses. Which suggests that the understanding outside of this page is that Power Trio would get misused the same way, even if the trope description clearly referred to Superego, Ego and Id.

edited 29th Mar '11 6:54:28 PM by MC42

"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."

Neither of these are Id, Ego and Superego trios. Just trios.

And it doesn't really matter what people editing the trope think. The trope clearly states it is not only about the Freudian Trio. If most people editing it thinks otherwise, it would explain why the page is so inconsistent. It needs a rework badly, no matter what we decide here.

Anyway, do you realize this discussion is completely meaningless? Did you even bothered looking at my suggestion? If we follow it what the page describe is ultimately meaningless

If most examples are not rationalized, or not including the Id/Ego/Superego in the rationalization, it means people are actually understanding the trope for what it actually describes: any trio with a pair of foils and a mediator. If so the solution is simple, and, in fact, is what you described in the first post: create a new trope and rewrite Power Trio.

The assumption that it's only about the Freudian trio is wrong then.

The first half of the description clearly says it's not always Freudian, and then the second half and all the examples seem to assume it is always Freudian.

Incidentally, not buying the "this describes a trope but isn't actually that trope" thing; the opening paragraph of the description always describes the trope. That's what it's there for.

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

I can't recall ever seeing this trope used for anything other than the Freudian Trio.

Me either. Which just proves how messed up is this trope.

The Kirk page says The Kirk always the freudian. It doesn't matter what Power Trio says about Power Trio, because that's a broader trope.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

I agree with you in that matter but... what this has to do with this thread or with Black Humor post?

Unless you are saying we should take The Kirk definition of Power Trio instead of the definition written in Power Trio itself. Because that makes no sense.

I'm still trying to figure out how it's possible to blatantly ignore the majority of the trope description, the image caption, almost every single one of the examples and about half of the "See also:" tropes, because you think a single paragraph of the description means that the trope describes something it actually doesn't.

At any rate, the crowner is currently at +9 with a 2.8:1 ratio. Is it safe to say there's enough support for a split or should we wait for more votes since there's only 19?

edited 30th Mar '11 8:38:38 AM by MC42

"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."

What you say is the 'majority of the trope description', does not define the trope as the id/ego/superego thing. Just uses it as an example. This is particularly clear in the second paragraph, where this dynamic is defined in the first place. The "see also" are all about tree people dynamic, therefore related to Power Trio no matter which definition you use.

The examples, in other hand, while do refer to this trope as the Freudian Trio, are not what describe the trope. We could say the whole example list is incorrect, as absurd that sounds.

But, yeah, a "split" is in order. I already agreed with that. I will just point that we should add a line about the original "two foils + middle ground" dynamic and how this is common in three people assemble. This is what Power Trio is supposedly describing, after all.

Should we take proposed articles for "Superego, Ego and Id" and "Three-Person Ensemble" to YKTTW, then?

"Thorough preparation must lead to success. Neglect nothing."

Gah, wrong thread. Sorry. >_<

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

I would like to point out that the term Power Trio is a pre-existing term form a 3 piece band usually consisting of a guitar, bass, and drums. Like Cream or The Police.

I also agree with switching Power Trio to mean any three-person ensemble. Even though the example list is under the impression that it means a Freudian trio, the examples are terrible and generally only fit the Freudian dynamic with a lot of shoehorning and mental gymnastics.

Kind of the same problem Five-Man Band has, actually :(

Is "any three-person ensemble" a trope? Because I don't think so.

It can be as a super-trope to represent how it's an insanely common ensemble type and how and why it works and it's implications in fiction. There are many reasons why what you described is a trope, it's merely a super trope to all the other teams of three we have.

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