Horrible misuse: Made Of Iron

Yeah... see for yourselves.

Okay, I have no idea why its linking to the homepage.

edited 16th Mar '11 4:35:25 AM by OmegaKross

Because you have to write the page title as a Wiki Word - no spaces.

Made of Iron

edited 16th Mar '11 5:07:30 AM by Shale

^^ You want to be a little more convincing that "Yeah, see for yourself"? If you checked wicks and examples and they're bad, share what you found. If you just mean "I don't think it's good", well, that's a start, but it's neither a good reason to change it, nor is it very informative about what's bad about it.

I Think he means how Made of Iron has basically become Nigh-Invulnerable: The Downplayed Trope.

And the same thing applies to that sort of thing as well, If there's misuse, show it, by giving us the bad wicks to look at. If no one is going to provide support for the statement that there's "horrible misuse", this thread is pointless.

Which reminds me of a recent YKTTW by name of Super Toughness, of which the OP swears up and down is not just "Made of Iron But Justified".

edited 23rd Apr '11 12:16:33 AM by Stratadrake

Super-Toughness was created to fill a critical gap that neither Nigh-Invulnerability ("Near-impossible to hurt") nor Made of Iron ("Character is WAY tougher than is possible in Real Life, and there is no fictional reason either.") can cover, and also to address considerable misuse of the two tropes that I've seen while leafing through various character sheets and work articles (it was months ago, so I don't have any particular names to mention off the top of my head).

Honestly speaking, the idea originated in a "Made of Iron vs. Nigh-Invulnerability" Trope Talk thread that has by now been deleted, and IIRC a mod or two - perhaps even Fast Eddie himself - has expressed that a Super-Toughness trope could serve as an adequate solution, instead of the (I think) then-proposed revamping of Made of Iron to drop the "no fictional reason" clause.

edited 23rd Apr '11 9:07:34 AM by MarqFJA

Hmm... I thought Immune to Bullets was the median between Made of Iron and Nigh-Invulnerability? (i.e., tough enough that conventional weapons are no use, but not necessarily tough enough to ignore other supers)

edited 23rd Apr '11 3:36:21 PM by Servbot

I misused Made Of Iron on the this page. I presume it just meant super-tough, and I didn't use Nigh-Invulnerability because the character in question can get hurt; it's just hard.

The Super-Toughness discussion has suggesed a sliding scale of toughness, I think we need something like this.

For instance:

Spider-Man is not bullet proof, nor even resistant, but he can take impacts that would shatter a normal persons bones. Edged weapons cut him, so he's not invulnerable. In-universe, justified, so MoI doesn't apply, as currently written.

Luke Cage is a different level, edged weapons don't cut him, small arms fire bounces but does bruise, a 50 caliber round would definitely wound. Again, in-universe justified.

I've decided to make one, so assistance would be nice, if you have the time.

Bump. Super-Toughness was launched.

Eh no, it is the same but less. Spider-man can be thrown through a concrete pillar and complain about how weak he is, as he stands up from the rubble with out so much as a scrape.

He is nigh invulnerable, you would have gone splat. Just because he's less nigh invulnerable than Luke Cage doesn't change anything. I suppose since Spider-man can't lift as much weight as Luke Cage he doesn't have Super Strength either. He has insert trope name for people who aren't as strong as Luke Cage but still stronger than humanly possible here_______

For cutting. If made of Iron is used wrongly then remove the wrong uses as you find them and see if the main page description can't be made more clear.

Nigh-Invulnerable requires surviving equivalent destructive force to a small nuke, not merely being thrown into a wall/pillar, buried under the rubble, and digging yourself out with little to no injuries. Spider-Man is explicitly not durable enough to withstand a direct full-powered hit from uber-powerhouses that are several orders of magnitude above his level. Thus, your argument for cutting Super-Toughness falls flat.

edited 16th Aug '11 1:44:00 PM by MarqFJA

Yes, Super-Toughness houses a bunch of examples that don't quite go in Made of Iron or in Nigh-Invulnerable.

In fact, I might argue that all cases of Made of Iron outside of comedies (e.g. Keitarou Urashima, whose absurd durability and recovery rate from physical injuries is Played for Laughs) are technically cases of Super-Toughness that are either implictly caused by Training from Hell-induced Charles Atlas Superpower or a result of extreme resolve/willpower bypassing/enhancing the body's physical limitations.

Then maybe we should scrap Nigh Invulnerable. It is still "Super Toughness" but MORE!

No, "Super-Toughness But More" can only barely apply to one form of Nigh-Invulnerability - that is, Made of Diamond. The rest of the many other kinds have nothing to do with Super-Toughness.

The arguments on the thread were same but more. That's more legit if you want to argue for the blob monster or the sentient cloud of mist being Nigh Invulnerable, a "Super Trope".

Bump. I also wanted to point out that this paragraph is duplicated on Dented Iron.

Dented Iron, actually, is made up of just that paragraph.

edited 31st Aug '11 4:24:24 PM by Merlo