For the love of all that is holy, rename this.: Three Amigos

It's named for the movie ¡Three Amigos!, we've had loads of threads agreeing it needs another name, but for some reason they just fizzle out.

I even think a thread that got lost had a crowner, and a winning alternate name, but didn't get done.

Can we please finally give this its own name, instead of a work that only fits part of the trope?

edited 5th Feb '11 3:20:51 PM by DragonQuestZ

We could redirect swap it to One Hero Two Sidekicks.

Now, I've heard the term "Three Amigos" used to refer to many different trios before. Is it really all just made in reference to a movie title?

It's usually that, or to the Three Musketeers.

Use of the term "Three Musketeers" outside of the original work still tends to make it very clear that its a reference to that same work.

The term Three Amigos, however? I don't often see that as the case. It's a much more colloquial phrase.

edited 5th Feb '11 3:50:07 PM by SeanMurrayI

I find "Like The Three Musketeers" is a common description for this.

It's also misleading since it requires two boys and a girl.

Why didn't it get renamed?

It was agreed to

I believe that the last time we had this discussion Like The Three Amigos was among the most popular rename suggestions.

Here is the old crowner.

Apparently, the top vote getter was "Make Three Amigos a Super Trope and all Tropes pertaining to three-man ensembles are sub-tropes, including One Hero Two Side Kicks which is what the Three Amigos Trope currently is. Additionally the name of Three Amigos will be changed to whatever the highest ranking crowner name is."

I do not think that actually happened though and I wonder why that is.

edited 5th Feb '11 6:14:49 PM by LouieW

^^ Like The Three Musketeers would be a better name in that regard.

I'm not entirely swayed by this on the basis that it shares a name with a work alone, however. To me, it just sounds like the thought of renaming Man on Fire simply because there's a movie called Man on Fire... or Cliffhanger because there's a movie called Cliffhanger. If many of the wicks for Three Amigos are used to name the movie and not make any use of the trope or anything like that, then I'd say there's cause for concern, but a very colloquial phrase (which I'm not entirely sure was even coined by the work in question in the first place) sharing a name with a work alone just doesn't cut it for me.

edited 5th Feb '11 6:18:42 PM by SeanMurrayI

None of the alternate name suggestions on the crowner that Louie linked were ranked very high, with the top vote getter at a paltry +3. That's usually not a good sign for a new name choice (which may explain why no action was ever taken).

Edit: Whatever we do, I think the Film should stay in the Film namespace. There's little point in moving a work from its proper namespace to the main namespace, given the possibility that it would need to be disambiguated with another work in the future.

edited 5th Feb '11 6:52:24 PM by Meeble

Even if the film stays in the film namespace, the main page needs to redirect to it.

Yes, that's normally what's done when there's nothing to disambiguate it with.

Sean, the trope was named for the film, not simply sharing it.

Like The Three Muskateers wouldn't work because the Three Muskateers actually have four muskateers.

How about Golden Trio or Golden Trinity? Isn't that the nickname for the Harry Potter Three Amigos?

^^I'm not convinced. The movie isn't even referred to as the Trope Namer for this in any form anywhere on the wiki, and that would've been the biggest telltale sign that the trope was actually named after something else.

edited 6th Feb '11 5:55:29 AM by SeanMurrayI

From the page of ¡Three Amigos!... anyway this really needs a rename it is the exact name of the movie as a trope and a very good example.

An excellent example of, but distinct from, the trope called Three Amigos.

I would support Golden Trio. (its clearly got alot of weight going for it)

edited 6th Feb '11 6:10:11 AM by Raso

Even if the trope isn't directly named after the movie, the movie muddles the waters by having three male buddies. On the other hand, the trope description says it explicitly requires one sidekick of the opposite gender, whereas anyone familiar with either the movie or just the Spanish word 'amigo' would expect this to just be a trio of buddies.

There are several wicks currently referring to all-male trios as Three Amigos, which is an understandable mistake considering how nonintuitive the current name is.

It can't be named for the movie because the trope says it requires two boys and one girl, while the movies is about three men as friends.

That's irrelevant to the more important part. We have a crowner that says we should change what the trope is: ie remove the gender requirements.

Lets do that first. Then we can look at the resulting trope and brainstorm some names and decide if we should change the name or not.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:10:19 AM by Sackett

^^Anyone familiar with Spanish would actually tell you that a group of two male friends and one female would still be called "amigos." Only if the trio is ALL female, would there be a change from "amigos" to "amigas."

• sigh* Do I have to have to spell everything out in as much painstaking detail as possible to avoid useless nitpicks? I said "trio of buddies", not "trio of male buddies".

Three Amigos is a much broader name than the trope it is currently used for, and continuing to use it for this trope is inevitably going to result in people using it either explicitly as a reference to the movie or for the more colliquial everyday meaning rather than for the much narrowing trope definition. We have years of history that non-indicative names result in misuse on this site, especially for wicks from other pages, so we really should try and find a non-misleading title.

I'm not actually sure which is supposed to be more important to the ensemble's makeup: The inclusion of The Chick (which doesn't always have to be a chick in the first place) or the inclusion of a female character (which shouldn't be used to pothole The Chick).

Yeah, I think the potholes to The Chick and The Lancer should go. They're much more specific roles than just best friend/best friend of opposite gender. Also the description is explicitly written to allow for examples with female main characters, even if examples are relatively scarce on the page. The Chick doesn't strictly exclude males, but potholing it like that definately prejudices examples for people who do pay attention to the description.

Still, I'd like some extra opinions before deleting those two potholes outright.

And we have Two Guys and a Girl.

Now that I think about it, couldn't we just get rid of Three Amigos, Two Guys and a Girl, and Two Girls and a Guy and just have one new, general trope about "Three Main Characters, two of one gender and one of the opposite gender, who spend almost all their time together and usually have some sort of romantic/sexual tension"? What's the point of the way it's all divided right now?