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No they won't even ignoring the fluff that says that the High Lords already know about the Fallen, Dark Angels and their successors account for roughly 15% of the chapters in the Imperium, that's far too many to even attempt to purge without a massive war.

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What's Khorne's policy to psykers? What can psyches do, exactly?

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Khorne's policy on Psykers is Depending on the Writer. Sometimes he loathes them and makes his servants kill them on principle. The most common one I see though, is that Khorne only gets pissed when the Psyker uses their powers to completely avoid a fight.

Eliphas has a Khornate Sorcerer as an ally, and said Sorcerer is a Magic Knight. Nemeroth is also a Sorcerer, and has Bloodletters amongst the daemons he summons (then again, both of these Chaos Lords are Chaos Undivided). However, iirc, there was an officially-created Chaos Lord who was a Sorcerer and Khornate and, once again: Magic Knight (and holy shit was he horrifying in melee)

And what can psykers do? The question is what can psychics not do. Short answer is that Psykers can do basically anything you think of, depending on their power level.

Some guys can just read minds. Others can toss around Imperator-Class titans like nothing.

edited 27th Sep '16 8:37:08 PM by BlackSunNocturne

From 1d4chan (site itself is very NSFW):

Khornates hate wizards for trivializing encounters with a single spell and overshadowing fighters. They hate turning what should be a military endeavor into a weird wizard show where people turn into frogs. They hate Slaaneshi for the same reason, they take what should be a wholesome murder fest and make it into something creepy and weird, what with them "discomporting themselves with the dead" and all that. In Realms of Chaos, its entirely possible for a librarian or wizard to go to Khorne. They just refrain from using their powers, and only use their psi/magic (in combat) to resist spells from that point onward.

They are okay with laser beams. They are okay with sniper rifles. They are okay with flaming swords. They are okay with running people over with tanks. They are okay with chemical gas. They are okay with exterminatus. They are okay with holocausts. They are okay with blitzkriegs. They are okay with honorable duels at dawn.

They are not okay with turning people to frogs, mind controlling people, raining glitterdust from the skies to blind everyone, raising armies of zombies to do the killing for you, and so forth. They are not okay with someone pointing their finger and you dropping dead. They are okay with rituals to summon demons. They are okay with navigating the warp without crashing into suns. They are okay with sending astropathic messages. They are okay with chaining wizards up and forcing them to eternally forge magic items on pain of death.

You may consider it hypocritical that Khornates are okay with blatantly unfair TECHNOLOGICAL murder, but not okay with blatantly unfair MIND/MAGICAL murder, but the point, or at least one interpretation, is that wizards/psykers fucking cheat. They do. They steal the power of the Warp for their own ends. As long as they stay in line, and do nothing but permit the warrior to enact his craft, fine, let them live, albeit in terror, enslaved by chains of brass until the day they are no longer useful, at which point their skulls can join Khorne's throne.

But stealing the Gods' own fire and using it to do what mortals should do through their own skill and strength is unacceptable. Remember that technology is completely valid to Khorne. Stealth is completely valid to Khorne. Skill is completely valid to Khorne. Cleverness is completely valid to Khorne. The nuclear bomb and other innovations that come after it could be seen to be unfair. But it is a mortal invention. Mortals should give honor to Khorne by murdering each other through the sweat of their brow.

The scientist who devises new ways to kill is a saint. His work can be put to any other use — enriching human life, ending hunger, fighting diseases, answering great questions. But the scientist who devises new bombs and weapons is, in his own way, a champion of Khorne. He takes his limitless human potential and nobly limits himself to new ways to kill. Whether you kill with a sword or a bomb, you are killing using good old fashioned mortal strength and genius. You aren't stealing warp energy from the gods in the form of a fireball and cravenly calling it your own.

The forger of enchanted weapons, though deserving of slavery and abuse as all wizards are until the day they die, is an ideal symbol. It is fitting that spell energy be subjugated to and entombed within cold steel, just as wizards deserve to be subjugated to warriors until they lie cold and headless in the ground or else burnt to ash. The magic weapon is a symbol of might's superiority to magic.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

And rules-wise, in Black Crusade, if you're a psyker and somehow wind up Khorne-aligned, you simply no longer count as a psyker, until you change alignment again (and IIRC, as long as you don't have the Mark, switching alignments has no negative consequences).

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

Thanks for the image. So it's a board game not a new army or Horus Heresy line?

On the subject of Khorne and pyskers, I liked the explanation given for the mindless hordes of Ax-Crazy berserkers given the new rulebook—it's a work-around for summoning demons without psykers. You don't need magic to pull them out of the Warp when enough bloodshed weakens the Materium and lets them slip in.

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Its a boxed set, for sure. I'm personally not sure if its a board game or a 30k campaign set. They're models meant to be used as a force in the Horus Heresy line, regardless of their packaging.

The box definitely has Sisters of Silence.

edited 28th Sep '16 4:32:25 AM by Zeromaeus

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You still count as a psyker if you become Khorne aligned (so certain attacks and effects still work on you), but you are right in that you lose all your psyker powers and abilities related to them. The only way to lose the psyker trait is to become a Daemon Prince of Khorne.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

My own on the subject, which I've gone into depths before, is the Khorne has sorcerers, they just don't act like sorcerers on the battlefield. They might not even call themselves sorcerers, because they are obviously different from those Tzeentchian bastards. They are expert daemonologists, responsible for any daemons, daemon weapons, daemon enginges and possessed a Khornate army might have.

That's pre-prepped stuff, that's off the field. Once the fighting starts, it's time to pick up your chainaxe and get down with berserker rage. (The fact that maybe you save a daemon axe for yourself, have a smaller posse of bloodletters and ride into battle on your daemon steed, that's just perks.)

It just doesn't make sense to me that they enslave psykers and sorcerers to sublet this stuff because those don't sound like the sort of people you can keep in chains for very long.

It'd be interesting if Khorne had a "shadow in the warp"-type effect that made Psykers fly into a mindless rage. Khornates could try to bring with them by invoking him before their battles.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:19:14 AM by Durazno

We have to remenber that Khrone was tech god too in old flutt, right to the point that hashut(chaos dwarf god) was rumored to be a demon of khrone that got free

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

As long as said tech doesn't go past the Iron Age, then that's believable.

It's a standalone board game, much like Betrayal at Calth (which means that there's going to be about three people who buy it for itself while the rest will buy it for 40k or Heresy).

Khorne does hand out blessings and collars that resist/negate psyker powers, and if the Imperium has access to anti-psyker chains/weapons/armor, I don't see why the Blood God couldn't create that stuff.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

Then you need to read the Black Crusade supplement The Tome of Blood, where there's a series of entries that tell the story of a Mechanicus Magos who discovered Khornate worship and how to enhance the destructive power of both missiles and computer viruses via The Power of Blood in the course of trying to get back at his more successful and unambiguously a self-centered asshole of a rival (and defending himself from the inevitable reprisal).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Which is the way the roleplaying game try to undone the flanderization Khrone get from honor based god(meaning he dosent kill weak people because it dosent give anythiing) into BLOOOOOOOD GOOOOOOD GUGHGHRHSR!

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I just put an entry in Trope Finder about the Blood Angels using power armor that looks like the human body...input is appreciated.

Isn't that Sculpted Physique?

No, I think it's Form Fitting Armor.

Edit: Well I guess it isn't. :-/

edited 29th Sep '16 1:18:31 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

As they are getting released this weekend I thought that for this 2nd Edition Thursday I would do something on Genestealer Cults, specifically a unit that I haven't seen mentioned in the current material: the Brood Brothers (they seem to have been replaced by 4th Generation Hybrids in the new army list but as the new stuff seems to be concentrating on established Cults and Brood Brothers are more appropriate for newer Cults, this could be a reason).

Brood Brothers are humans implanted with Genestealer genetic material who go on to breed the first generation of Hybrids. These humans have their wills supressed by the Brood Telepathy of the Genestealer Cult and are fanatically devoted to their masters cause. Brood Brothers used to cost 6 points each, could be taken in squads of between 10 and 20 and had the stats of a basic human: M4 WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld7. There default weapon was a basic close combat weapon such as a knife, club or axe.

Wargear Options: Any model in the squad could be equipped with Assault Weapons (Sword - 1 point; Chainsword 2 points; Power Axe - 7 points; Power Fist - 25 points; Power Maul - 6 points; Power Sword - 6 points; Bolt Pistol - 2 points; Hand Flamer - 7 points; Plasma Pistol - 5 points; Laspistol - 1 point; Autopistol - 1 point; Stubb Gun - 1 point) or Basic Weapons (Autogun - 1 point; Boltgun - 3 points; Bow - 0.5 points; Crossbow - 1 point; Lasgun - 2 points; Shotgun - 2 points). One model in the squad could be given a Heavy Weapon (Autocannon - 25 points; Heavy Bolter - 15 points; Lascannon - 45 points; Missile Launcher with frag & krak missiles - 45 points; Multi-Melta - 65 points; Heavy Plasma Gun - 40 points; Heavy Stubber - 10 points) and one additional model could be given a Special Weapon (Flamer - 9 points; Meltagun - 8 points; Plasma Gun - 8 points). They could be given Flak Armour for 1 point per model, Frag Grenades for 2 points per model and Krak Grenades for 3 points per model.

Special Rules: Brood Brothers were subject to the rules for Hatred against all enemy models.

Brood Brothers could also be lead by a Hybrid Champion. This could be either a Neophyte Hybrid for 10 points (M4 WS4 BS2 S4 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8) or an Acolyte Hybrid for 9 points (M4 WS3 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8).^note for some reason the recent Cults have switched the names for Hybrides with the mode physically mutated ones now being called Acolytes and the less mutated ones being called Neophytes. These Hybrides were equipped with Laspistols and Flak Armour as standard and could be given additional Armour (Mesh Armour - 3 points; Carapace Armour - 7 points), Assault Weapons, Grenades (Frag - 2; Krak - 3; Melta Bombs - 5), Basic Weapons Heavy Weapons and Special Weapons. Acolyte Hybrids could also be upgraded to a psyker for the cost of 25 points for Mastery Level 1 or 50 points for Mastery Level 2. They drew their powers from the Adeptus (basic powers) Deck.

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That just seems so unlike Mr. K. Doesn't he prefer his followers getting skull-fuckingly up close and personal instead of hanging back and shooting with long range projectiles?

Going back a few - Sculpted Physique seems like a good fit, but there's a dissonance in the examples between "human-looking armor" and "alien/monster that looks like a sculpted artwork" that's bugging me, especially since the description leans toward the latter.

I think its because it might have been originally one trope, but then got combined with another

It's his preferred method of killing, yes; you'll notice that all of his favored champions are primarily melee fighters. But he still approves of using artillery and firearms; it's a good way of weeding out the weak and the unworthy from an enemy army, for one. And it's not like he doesn't appreciate martial tacticians and strategists who use clever maneuvering to force an enemy into a close-quarters fight; there are several mentions that the best of Khorne's champions are the ones who have a sufficiently indomitable willpower to rein in their bloodlust until a fitting opportunity arises for engaging in a wild frenzy, which makes them natural candidates for being commanders of Khorne's armies who lead their frenzied brethren and daemonic allies to one blood-drenched victory after another.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Yes Khorne likes bloodshed of all types. Khorne has had a lot of different types of Daemon Engine unique to him over the years, here are some of the older ones◊ and as you can see there are a lot of guns there with the Doom Blaster (top left) sporting four heavy mortars.

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