YMMV / Suikoden

  • Broken Base:
    • Despite getting solid reviews and considered one of the better RPG outings on the DS, Suikoden Tierkreis annoyed many fans due to its lack of Continuity Nod.
    • Suikoden III was this before Tierkreis. Despite getting excellent reviews from most markets, the fanbase was broken, largely over changes to the battle system. Worth noting is that it was a very dramatic breaking: most fans either thought it was ruined or it wasn't at all. Comes up more often than any game besides II in most "Best Suikoden" threads in forums.
    • Suikoden IV got it even worse for limiting the player to four party members, upping the random encounter rate, and shortening the overall length of the game (it's not hard to beat the whole thing in 20 hours with 108 stars, whereas it's nearly impossible to get through III in under 40 or so), and being set 150 years before all the other game... so the only returning characters are/were very minor in their previous/later appearances. Particularly, the combination of the smaller party size and shorter game made it very hard to get to know most of the cast.
  • Complete Monster: Neclord; Luca Blight & Neclord; Childerich. See those pages for more details.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Pesmerga. This guy is always a late-joiner, doesn't contribute to the plot, and can be accused of Cool, but Inefficient (lack of rune slot and options for customization). And he's only in for 2 games. His fanbase is huge, thanks to his connection with Yuber as well as his badass Black Knight attire, and his default powerful stats for those who just doesn't want to bother with customization.
  • Game-Breaker: Has its own page.
  • Ho Yay / Les Yay
    • Its easy to read Gremio being this towards The Hero in the first game. Almost every sentence he speaks relates in some way to the "young master". Though he claims he thinks of Tir as more of a son or brother.
    • Lucretia from V, with both Cathari and Lelei. Lelei has a decidedly suggestive scene where she suggests that Lucretia not go to bed just yet on the night before the big battle, while Cathari notes that she and Lucretia were "more than just friends" when she joins.
    • And then there's most of the bath scenes.
    • Richard's complete and utter admiration of Mueller in V borderlines this.
    • Basically any of the male Narcissists, especially when they interact with each other.
    • Riou and Jowy from the second game certainly apply.
  • Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Chris is a fairly decent person, but her personality can be kind of grating. She comes off as a bitch to practically everyone. She's a lot better in the manga adaptation, though.
  • Magnificent Bastard:
    • The evil inclined Silverbergs tend to turn into these. So does Jowy, who becomes king of the Highlands thanks to his machinations.
    • Shu in Suikoden II: using poorly-armed members of the North Window Base as a diversion, as well as throwing poor Pilika out as crossbow shield too.
  • Memetic Badass: Georg Prime, the Chuck Norris of Suikoden universe.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Many of the villains indulge in this, but it is Luca Blight who takes it to an art form.
    • Luca Blight crosses it when he massacres the Unicorn Youth Brigade, putting the blame for the deaths of the young soldiers on a Jowston attack.
    • Valfred crosses it when he erases a country and his population, The Magedom of Janam, who was opposing him, with Manaril and Shams' family inside it.
  • Narm: In the first game, Viktor ruins a legitimately cool/dramatic scene on confronting Milich with this one line:
    Black Rune, Pink Balloon, what's the difference!? This scoundrel killed Gremio!
  • Nightmare Fuel: All of the games have this in one form or another and in varying intensities:
    • I set the bar with Gremio's horrible death by being dissolved alive by flesh-eating spores. This is all the more nightmare-inducing by the fact that Tir is right on the other side of the door within earshot of any and all death wails Gremio may have made.
    Gremio: The spores are at my feet. I can't see anymore.
    • The Zombie Dragon definitely qualifies for this trope.
    • II has Luca Blight. What happens to Muse is bad too, but Luca still takes the cake.
    • Luc's motives and claims at the end of III could be potentially traumatizing.
    • The fact that the Rune of Punishment slowly kills its user every time he uses it in Suikoden IV.
    • In Suikoden V, Childerich and Nether Gate in general.
  • Player Punch: Nearly every game in the series contains at at least one star's death in the storyline and one important character's betrayal; generally, the main death is reversible or avertable if you collect all 108 stars of destiny, while the betrayal is not. These all tend to be player punches to some degree...
    • Almost any scene involving Pilika in Suikoden II. Also Nanami's "death" scene in Rockaxe.
    • In Suikoden II, the main trio is saved by Anabelle, mayor of Muse, who take them under her wing after they are exiled for a crime they didn't commit. In order to get closer to Lucca and put himself in a position of power within the Highland army, Jowy ends up betraying her by assassinating her in the middle of the night and by opening the gates of Muse, allowing the Highland army to launch a surprise attack. The main protagonist and his sister, Nanami, are left dumbfounded by this turn of events, and to top it all the crime is pinned on them.
    • Yun and Jimba's deaths in III. You can't reverse either one, and the only time you can use Jimba is before you start the Cyndar Ruins story.
    • In Suikoden V, Sialeeds' betrayal took many players by surprise. This event upsets a lot of characters, and especially your protagonist: while Luserina tries to comfort him, the protagonist just turns around and walks off. You aren't even given the opportunity to select a dialogue option like usual. The betrayal cut so deep that the player doesn't have their word on the matter: the silent protagonist is just too distraught and wants to be alone. Another Player Punch is Lyon's sudden death, though this can be averted with 100% Completion.
  • The Scrappy: We may as well rename the second to last Star as 'The Star of Scrappies' since it mostly produces hatedom-generating characters, such as Krin, Hoi... . There's also Kenji (not of the same Star), who is disliked due to his ridiculous fighting style (he uses aerobics and jogging to fight). Can't forget Snowe either.
  • That One Boss:
    • The Zombie Dragon from the first game is specifically memorable, as your team is still relatively weak at this stage of the game. If you didn't bring healing items and runes, chances are you won't survive the encounter.
    • Sonya Shulen. She's insanely fast so she almost always attacks first before half your party. She takes half-damage from all magic, counter attacks like crazy, and spams a powerful magic attack that can take out your melee fighters in two turns.
  • That One Sidequest: Assembling all of the Stars of Destiny.
  • Too Cool to Live:
    • In Suikoden I you have Ted (your best friend), the original host of the Soul Eater. Odessa as well, although in this case dying did wonders for Flik's Character Development.
    • In Suikoden II you have Genkaku (your father figure) and Annabelle (Muse´s mayor).
    • In Suikoden III you have Jimba, aka Wyatt Lightfellow, who you learn was the wielder of the True Water Rune and father of Chris Lightfellow, and he dies shortly after these revelations.
    • In Suikoden IV you have Glenn the chief of the Knights of Razriel and your father figure (more or less).
    • In the latest entry Suikoden V You have Ferid and to a minor degree Arshtat your parents. Actually whenever you are the parent of the main hero please apply for a swift death and the hand of this trope.
  • Toy Ship: Cecile/Thomas in the third game, as the result of her adorable Bodyguard Crush.
  • The Woobie:
    • Also Futch after his dragon Black is killed, and he is exiled from the Dragon Knights as a result.
    • Also Leon Silverberg, considering that both his children niece Odessa and nephew Mathiu die by the end of the game and that he is truly alone without his family.
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