YMMV / Suikoden II

  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Is Jowy a Tragic Hero who is forced to fight his best friend or a stubborn idiot who chooses to prolong an unnecessary war instead of signing a peace treaty, suggesting a political union, or any of the other myriad options available to him out of pride and refusal to deviate from his original course?
  • Badass Decay: Neclord in 1 was That One Boss, perhaps because of limited Rune usage, and the fact that you are stuck with carrying Viktor, Cleo and Hix with him (bad news if you haven't been training Viktor and Cleo, but especially Hix, who was just a newcomer), and he boasts very powerful attacks and mass healing spells were hard to come by (you basically have to stick one character with the Water Rune). In here, he's subsequently A LOT easier thanks to better Rune options, storywise having Sierra and Kahn gang up with him, you could put at most two out of Nanami, Kahn and/or Sierra into your Convoy, Magic being more powerful (and you can leave healing to Riou mostly). The only way you could screw up is if you burnt out all of your magic in the previous fight against the Stone Golem.
  • Complete Monster:
    • After his defeat, Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís Love Interest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.
    • Luca Blight, the "Mad Prince" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a Freudian Excuse in being Forced to Watch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. Luca relishes killing and expresses a hatred and disgust for all life. His Establishing Character Moment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "Die pig!" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, when Jowy and other Highlanders betray him to the player's army by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.
    "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!"
  • Crack Pairing: Due to Luca constantly referring anyone as pigs, fanarts usually depicted him being paired with pigs (to be ridden, to joke around with, or to butcher).
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: Gothic Neclord all the way!
  • Cult Classic
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Hai Yo, Chef of Iron extraordinary, he's not a mandatory recruit (if you want your castle to be restaurant-less), but he has his own sidequest about cooking contest and his own share of tragedies, all encapsulated in an awesome cooking mini game, and then people found out that he's highly customizable, showing off that he can be a bigger powerhouse than other powerhouses when properly trained. That said, he garners a lot of popularity amongst fandom and it's probably because of him that both Retso (one of his opponents) and Shun Min (his lover) make an appearance in V
  • Even Better Sequel: There are many fans who consider this game to be superior to the original, as well as the best in the series.
  • Evil Is Cool: Luca Blight pretty well cemented himself in this position given his Dying Moment of Awesome when finally killing him takes three different parties fighting him in quick succession, along with being a reasonably challenging fight while he's at it.
  • Fan Nickname: Some fans call Freed Yamamoto Freedy because in the game his name is shortened to "Freed Y."
  • Game-Breaker: Has its own page.
  • Goddamned Bats: Sirens and DoReMi elves. They sure can be taken down very easily but they can inflict a wide array of nasty status effects if not taken out right away. For a video game series that usually averts this trope, these sure annoy some players.
  • Good Bad Bugs: You could just trivialize the fight against Luca Blight with a glitch where he doesn't even attack you and only counterattacks if your character misses.
    • The infamous "Kindness Rune" bug which allows characters equipped with it to have a strength stat of 999note .
    • There's also the money bug once players recruit Hans the armorer that allows players to have max amounts of money just by doing a few certain steps in the menu choice.
  • Large Ham: Luca Blight. It would be easier to count the times he's not hamming it up. Opening the amulet with fireflies just before he dies, and possibly talking to Jillia after Agares's death.
  • Love to Hate: Ask any of Luca Blight's fans why they like him, aside from the Evil Is Cool above, it will be due to how appallingly and unapologetically evil he is.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Shu.
  • Memetic Badass: Georg Prime, but Luca Blight contests his title.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Luca Blight crosses it by instigating the massacre of the Unicorn Youth Brigade and putting the blame on Jowston soldiers, in order to restart the war between Highland and Jowston.
    • Neclord is revealed to have crossed it even before his appearance in the first game, by stealing the Blue Moon Rune for himself, forcing his normally peaceful fellow vampires to kill other people to be able to sustain themselves.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Once again, Luca Blight, as well as the fate of the people of Muse (you even get to hear a man describe how his family was devoured in front of him).
    • Millie's Groundhog Bonaparte. That is all.
  • Player Punch: Several; the traditional one is Nanami's sudden death.
    • Pilika's life from meeting the hero to losing her voice is just the writers repeatedly socking the player in the gut.
  • The Scrappy: Hoi.
    • Chaco really cannot live down how much he was an obnoxious brat who stole your wallet and taunted you all over the place during the Two River arc. Some say he got better after especially joining the fight against Highland and eventually inspiring the Kobolds to join in, but most of the time, not so much. Every Let's Players would LOVE to express how they hate this brat and even think that Sid's treatment to him is so satisfying on his expense.
    • Jess to some. The guy just goes on a blind accusation spree of your character killing Annabelle and refuses to trust you, and his insistence can lead to the hero running away and caused Ridley to die (can, because the hero can just man up and not run). He does mellow down after the Neclord arc ended and warms up to the hero and makes it up by being a decent war sub-commander, but much like Chaco, kinda hard to forget Jess' actions before. Or if you really hate him, you could just not let him join but say goodbye to your 100% Completion.
  • Scrappy Mechanic: The fact that unlike every other character in the game in order to have the main character of the previous game in your party requires heading to Gregminster and talking to him every single time to do it. This wouldn't be a problem if the game didn't automatically remove all your party members during just about every story event sometimes within minutes of each other leading to situations where the player can trek all the way to Gregminster and get that character only for him to be ejected from the party a minute later, that actually going and getting him is sometimes not available, and that Gregminster is the only location in the game that the player can never just teleport straight to and back. This all adds up to a VERY tedious slog to get a character in your party over and over from the moment you recruit him that could have been easily avoided.
  • Tear Jerker: There are a lot of these. Some moments are also mentioned above, in Player Punch.
  • That One Boss:
    • The Abomination, who attacks you in lieu of Neclord in North Window. He's able to move twice per round and crushes your party for absolutely huge damage for this point. This is made worse by the fact that the only thing able to heal this off completely is Riou's Battle Oath, which you'll only have one cast of by this point in the game without excessive grinding. Fortunately, Fire Runes and Kahn's Resurrection Rune do massive damage to him!
    • Luca Blight. The fight requires you to use three groups of six party members. Without preparation, several of them will likely be underequipped and underleveled. Luca is easily the toughest boss in the game, with incredible physical and magical resistance, and high HP for when you fight him. If either of the first two groups are defeated too quickly, the third one will have a very long battle on their hands. To make matters worse, he attacks three times per round, and all of his attacks are very damaging, with two of his possible attacks being able to hit multiple party members at once.
    • Only a few encounters after the above fight, there's a duel with Luca using the hero. You don't get the opportunity to save in between the two fights, so if you lose the duel, you have to start from the beginning. Even though his health bar is 25% full, he's still capable of taking several hits and dealing a lot of damage, and because of his personality in general, his quotes make it difficult to tell what his next action will be.
  • That One Sidequest: Recruiting the Squirrel Squad is still an enormous pain in the ass, even after fans have had a decade and a half to decode the most efficient possible methods of doing so. In 1998? Good luck!
  • Tier-Induced Scrappy: Freed Yanamoto is a dutiful, eager-to-please man. But his stats are atrocious. Now, he isn't the worst character in the game, but he is required to be in your party on two separate lengthy occasions, which is why there's so much player hostility towards him.
  • Too Cool to Live: Genkaku, Anabelle and Elza.
  • The Woobie: Pilika.
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