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- First of all, there's evidence that suggests there might've been a third Ghostface, specifically the scene where Sidney and Tatum are talking on Tatum's porch while being watched by a Ghostface. The very next scene shows that both of the confirmed killers are at the video store. Maybe enough time had passed between those two scenes that whichever one was watching them could leave, change, and go to the video store, but it doesn't look like much time passes between the two scenes, if any at all.
- There's two things that point to it possibly being Dewey:
- The first is that he survives being stabbed, just like how the killers were planning to make it look with themselves.
- And the second is the scene in the store with Sidney and Tatum. Right after, Dewey goes to meet up with his boss and says he was watching over Sidney. But if that's true then how could he have missed the clear-as-day Ghostface that was following her and Tatum in the store? Unless...
- There's also theoretically nothing to suggest that it wasn't merely a tasteless teenager dressing up as Ghostface and trying to get a rise out of Sidney and Tatum. One such prankster was shown running through the high school and two kids were expelled; perhaps in revenge they stalked Sidney like that, at the porch and at the store. You have to figure that the two confirmed Ghostfaces, Billy and Stu, would never risk making appearances in the guise in broad daylight, especially in a busy store. Also, it's a theme of the movie that the youth generation is desensitised and somewhat heartless, lending further credence to the idea of sick pranksters stalking (but not actually attacking) a victim who has already suffered so much. As for Dewey, his competence has been brought into question by Gale and others. But even disregarding that, he probably found it sufficient to wait outside the store, watching the entrances and figured (as indeed Billy and Stu didn't actually go there) he would never show "(Ghost) face" in broad daylight. However, maybe this stalker went in wearing plain clothes and then changed into the uniform in a store toilet. In any event, neither Sidney nor the Riley siblings noticed this Ghostface, and he didn't attack, so they were safe and none the wiser.
- Since 1-3 follow the rules of a film trilogy, and 4 follows the rules of a remake, the only logical next step is to have Scream 5 follow the rules (or lack there of) of a reboot. While remakes can deviate somewhat from the source material but typically have to follow the same plot points, reboots, which have become fairly commonplace in Hollywood as of 2021, and by extension Scream 5 (who’s official title is simply Scream, similar to how reboots just use the original title, no numbers or subtitles) don’t have to follow these same rules, as they allow filmmakers and writers to essentially rewrite a preexisting story and create their own rules, shaking up a franchise that has possibly become stagnant over the years. This will give the new Ghostface a chance to truly shake up the formula set by their predecessors, possibly even resulting in the death or deaths of Sidney, Dewey, or Gale.
- Partially confirmed. They pattern the movie more along the lines of a "requel", i.e. half sequel and half reboot, and Dewey does indeed die.
- Scream 4 showed that Stab 6 did this.
- Jossed. Scream 5 only definitively shows one Ghostface in the opening sequence, and logically the other one can be assumed to be out of town at time time.
- It would heighten tension when they're alone with another character, as we know what the protagonists don't.
- Jossed. They are both only unmasked at the end of the film.
- This would explain why no one thought to go to him in Scream 3 to question him about Maureen having a third killer.
- Jill is the new Sidney, but she was one of the killers
- Charlie is the new Randy , but was the other killer and dies and stays dead instead of getting up like Randy did in Scream
- I thought Robbie was the new Randy, their initials are even the same (Randy Meeks, Robbie Mercer) he still most likely died though, but I'm hoping he lived!
- Robbie seemed like the new Randy, and at the end Charlie actually calls himself the new Randy, but he degenerates quickly into a new Stu
- But Charlie's a psycho, so his word isn't all that reliable anyways. He's probably just deluding himself.
- True.
- Trevor is the new Billy, but was an innocent Red Herring etc...
- And just for the record, this wouldn't be a resurrection like so many A Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th movies, just make it so Randy didn't die. Maybe he survived his injuries, was transported to a hospital in a different city (one closer to his family, probably) and he's been laying low for the last little while.
- Randy is, without a doubt, dead. Not only do we see him getting stabbed and killed, we also see that his throat's been slit. Add that to the fact that Joel mentions that his van is a crime scene, Randy's sister is sad about his death in Scream 3, and the fact that he has never been so much as mentioned as being alive for two and a half movies..... yeah. He's dead. It's like saying Tatum, Rebecca, or Trevor is alive. Their deaths are 100% final. If you want deaths which may have been survivable look at Kirby (same wounds as Sidney, never mentioned again) or Robbie (not wounded as bad as Dewey has been, alive for a while afterwards, paramedics are seen coming up and pulling out their equipment in the background of a scene) Now those characters may have survived.
- Yeah, but it's just wishful thinking.
- That I get, I'm still in wishful denial that Tatum died, Randy died, Cotton died, Jennifer died, Rebecca died, Trevor died, and that Kirby and Robbie could be dead!
- Yeah, but it's especially sad when the characters that are in more than one movie are killed off. We Hardly Knew Ye.
- As of Scream 5, a part of Randy lives on in his niece and nephews, and Kirby is confirmed alive in a Freeze-Frame Bonus.
- Randy is, without a doubt, dead. Not only do we see him getting stabbed and killed, we also see that his throat's been slit. Add that to the fact that Joel mentions that his van is a crime scene, Randy's sister is sad about his death in Scream 3, and the fact that he has never been so much as mentioned as being alive for two and a half movies..... yeah. He's dead. It's like saying Tatum, Rebecca, or Trevor is alive. Their deaths are 100% final. If you want deaths which may have been survivable look at Kirby (same wounds as Sidney, never mentioned again) or Robbie (not wounded as bad as Dewey has been, alive for a while afterwards, paramedics are seen coming up and pulling out their equipment in the background of a scene) Now those characters may have survived.
- I think it makes sense, but she was too obvious a suspect, and clearly set up to be a Red Herring, just like the cop in Scream 3 that Patrick Dempsey played. Though maybe the writers will reveal Judy to be the killer in Scream 5, and make her admit to some of the murders in Scream 4.
- I definitely agree she's too obvious for a regular, it's just that NO ONE else could qualify and it'd be a huge shock to reveal a survivor to be a killer. Think about it, some scenes seem off without 3 killers and she's the only one who could possibly be a killer and alive. Robbie and Kirby may have survived, but their attacks were isolated and done in a way that they could not be killers. Judy is the only one that makes sense.
- Considering Jill killed off Charlie when he outlived his usefulness, who's to say one of the other killers wasn't a victim who she killed for the same reason?
- I don't think so. Jill left the hospital after getting checked by the doctor, giving her time to whip out her costume and kill Rebecca; Charlie attacked Sid and Jill and killed Oliva and could've ran back home or to Robbie's home to inform him of the murder as the cops came. As for the strength part, Jill was able to grab and throw Sidney against a glass cabinet in the hospital, lifting her a few inches of the ground.
- Considering Judy was killed in Scream 5 and no hints were even alluded to that she might be guilty for some of the events of the prior movie, pretty safe to deem this one jossed.
- Or the scene in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back where they walk onto the set of Stab 4, which is being directed by Wes Craven.
- That would make sense because, as stated in Scream 4, only the first 3 Stab movies are based in fact, and the series apparently went downhill after that. (It would explain why the killer in Stab 4 was a monkey.
- Maybe the director`s assistant for the Bluntman & Chronic movie (played by Jamie Kennedy) was actually Randy Meeks, having survived his attack in Scream 2. (I refer you to an earlier WMG on this page.) It would explain why he is so meek, timid, and jittery ( being attacked by a killer would do that to you). But it would also show that he is working his way up in Hollywood from lowly director's assistant to an actual director, eventually.
- Might be a stretch, considering there's a "Clerks" poster in the video store where Randy works & a "Clerks" VHS tape at Stu's house.
- Jay and Silent Bob Reboot shows that Clerks is also a film in the View Askewniverse by having Jay and Silent Bob entering into a panel at a convention where the cast of Clerks are present, even in their Black and White form.
- Might be a stretch, considering there's a "Clerks" poster in the video store where Randy works & a "Clerks" VHS tape at Stu's house.
- What's more, the film seems out of place in that it only had one killer, rather than the two every other film had. Not to say this film isn't allowed to break the pattern, but it certainly does seem a bit off.
- Due to the reveal of the back story in the third film, the first film had three killers (Billy, Stu and Roman). Many fans in real life had suspected as far back after the first film's release that there may have been a third killer due to the fact there are times where Billy and Stu couldn't have been Ghostface while certain scenes occur. With that in mind, that means the amount of killers were three in the first film, two in the second and one in the final film.
- It could be possible that Angelina was involved with Roman in the killings, and his attacking her caught her completely off guard for her to be able to do anything about it because she didn't see him betraying her.
- As mentioned in an earlier WMG, just because there's a Ghostface shown stalking around in the first movie doesn't mean it has to be Roman, or some other third killer. It could just be a prankster (or pranksters).
- I'm in total support of this theory. I'm a huge Kirby and Robbie fan! :P I really wanted them to make it. Besides, Dewey was stabbed way worse in Scream 2 and survived for much longer. It could definitely happen.
- Robbie definitely didn't survive. When The cops get to the house post-bloodbath, Judy feels Robbie's pulse and says "He's gone." Kirby, on the other hand...
- But that only happened in the Pay-Per-View cut. Also, she's not a doctor and she was obviously nervous, having seen so many corpses in one night ( Kate, Hoss, Perkins), she could've easily made a mistake. Not to mention she spent like half a second checking his pulse, which probably isn't enough time if the person is dying and his heart rate is slowing down.
- Kirby is confirmed alive as of Scream 5.
- Early in the movie Randy has a quick line where he says that Casey dumped Stu for Steve. Stu says that he dumped her for Tatum. So if he was angry and jealous about it maybe that's why that pair had to die.
- Well, that and peer pressure. He was very sensitive.
- Well, that was kind of used as the plot twist at the end of Scream 3, with Roman telling Billy and Stu to start the original murders.
- Yeah but he seemed a bit unstable to be a puppet master type villain.
- This would account for the change in the Ghostface voice (assuming the voice is the old man's, rather than the actual killer's), which was caused by Roger L. Jackson's real-life voice change (due to ageing), but was never addressed in-universe.
- It's just a thought, but they really don't have much of a place in the franchise anymore. They get engaged at the end of Scream 3, and they have a rocky marriage that gets better in Scream 4, but their plotline has now been completely resolved. It's like when they removed Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley in Pirates of the Caribbean 4, there is no need to have them in future sequels, it's the same for Dewey and Gale. Not saying that they should be killed off, just Put on a Bus. Let's say that they moved to another country to get as far as possible from any more killings. This, in turn will allow more new characters to have more screen time in the fifth and sixth films.
- I second this. Even though they play a role in the climax of 4, they feel unnecessary to the storyline. It really wouldn't be a bad thing if the same thing happens to Sidney. The more she's in these movies the more likely it is she's going to end up murdered.
- Jossed. In Scream 5 we are shown that Dewey and Gale did not have a happy ending and Dewey dies. Which brings into question as to whether Gale and Sidney's Plot Armor will endure in Scream 6.
- The joke is probably going to be Stab (some ridiculously big number) or Stab (followed by some Colon Cancer )
- Alternatively, the 5th and 6th movies might be titled 5cream and S6ream.
- For the sixth one, you could have just gone with Scr6am.
- Confirmed in fact in the form of a Stab joke about the recent tendency of requels to not have numbers but instead take the same title as the original movie, as some Self-Deprecating Humor.
- Alternatively, the 5th and 6th movies might be titled 5cream and S6ream.
- But remember, Dewey was in the house with Gale and Jennifer the entire time, that's how the audience is supposed to know that it's not Dewey on the phone with Steven Stone.
- Search your hearts, you know it to be awesome.
- Jossed. Of the big three legacy characters, Sidney arguably gets off lightest, as Dewey dies and Gale is shot and stabbed (but lives) while Sidney is merely stabbed.
- He's the ghost of Billy Loomis. Yeah, all of the killers to have gone after Sidney in the sequels are given their own motivations for doing so, but really, what are the chances that so many people would have reason to hunt this one girl? Billy's pissed over Sidney's screwing up his plans, and he won't move on until he's had his vengeance.
- Sidney can't possibly stay sane after all of that.
- Jossed. In fact, she states that a major reason why she comes back is to help ensure the safety of her and Mark's family.
- One of the characters in Scream 4 mentioned that Stab 5 involved time travel, which is possible foreshadowing of the sequel. It won't be the standard time travel, though. Instead, we'll have flashbacks of Sidney's mom trying to escape from a killer (maybe Billy and Stu), and at the same time, have Sidney running from the same killer and trying to figure out his identity.
- Jossed. No time travel either in the conventional sense or in the figurative sense described in this WMG.
- A crossover between the worlds of Scream, the first two seasons of Scream: The TV Series and the reboot season of said show.
- A continuation of Scream 4.
- A complete reboot.
- A Kirby spin-off. She deserves it!
- Jossed on all fronts. It is a requel, which means in part that it functions partially as a sequel to all it's predecessors. And therefore not a complete reboot, but a partial one.
- Speaking of which, the TV series could take place in the same universe as the Scream movies! Who knows? Maybe Lakewood is just a long stretch away from Woodsboro.
- Pride: Jill
- Wrath: Mrs. Loomis
- Lust: Billy
- Greed: Mickey
- Gluttony: Stu
- Envy: Roman
- Sloth: Charlie
- I always thought Jill was envy.
- Probably, but Roman was envious of Sid before she was famous and truly wanted to kill her.
- I'd argue that Mickey is pride (he thinks so highly of his niche view of the social impact of film that he imagines his defence is impregnable). Jill then moves to greed, which fits well with her lust for fame.
- I always thought Jill was envy.
- As for Amber and Richie, both of them basically have the same motivation, so they would both fall into the categories of Pride (in believing that their "movie" is worth killing and manipulating people for), Wrath (hatred of the recent Stab film has driven them to get revenge through murder, though on un-related participants) and Greed (they have such a desire to see their Stab film come to fruition, again to the point of murder).
- Quite possible as one of the circulating rumours and even Wes and Matthew Lillard themselves said that Stu would have survived and been orchestrating the murders of either Scream 2 or 3 (I can't remember exactly) but that they had to drop it after Columbine. Seeing as you said horror logic applies to this series, it could very well be possible that we may see Stu in the future.
- It was 3, he was supposed to be The Man Behind the Man from prison. It isn't without merit, since Matthew Lillard (Stu) cameoed as a partygoer in the second film.
- In all likelihood, doubtworthy. Stu thought he'd die from his stab wounds alone, which probably got even worse upon briefly fighting with Sidney. Couple that with the crush impact of the TV on his head (and the glass screen shattering on his face) and then the electrocution, and there's no way.
While these rules are mostly set in stone, the characters on both the protagonist and antagonist ends of the curve strive to change them in some way. Such as Sidney surviving despite not being a virgin.
- Mildly confirmed, but not as you envisaged. Billy appears in the form of a hallucination, looking much as he did when he died, in the mind of his bastard daughter. He offers her psychotic encouragement.
- Jossed. The film plays out much like it's predecessors, so it's not like they get to just unload massive firepower on him, and it doesn't focus on Maureen or an earlier presence of Ghostface at all.
- Neve Campbell will be the first one killed and Drew Barrymore will be the Final Girl.
- Jossed, with no New Nightmare-style conceit in the film.
I figure the costume was based on the visage of a demon, spirit, or otherworldly monster. The demon was amused at this choice and simply enjoys screwing with humanity through its various avatars.
- Tatum can't be the 3rd killer. It was Roman. He admitted it in his reveal. Even if Tatum was the 3rd killer, who did she kill?
- I like to think she helped kill Casey out of jealousy, and possibly others. You remember she gave herself and Stu an alibi? If she was innocent, then why did she lie about Stu being with her on the night of Casey's murder? Either Tatum was covering up for Stu, or she was in on it.
- Another thing to add is how casual she was with Ghostface even though the killer hasn’t been caught yet, even thou she knows the killer is targeting Sidney, she was also kicking his ass pretty hard in that scene, better than anyone else the franchise really, besides Sidney. If only she didn’t try to escape. Also a good rebuttal is that Roman only helped kill Sidney’s mother, he isn’t involved in Scream 1 killings.
- More likely, however, is that Stu escaped the house while Tatum were sleeping and then came back by climbing through the window. Billy did the same thing with Sidney, so Stu could probably do the same.
- Exactly, she doesn't know if Stu could have killed Casey before or after she had sex with Stu, so her saying he was there with her as far as she knew, was not a lie. So she is likely not complicit. Also, there need not necessarily be a third killer in the first film.
- David Arquette and Courtney Cox are divorced in real life, and the character Sidney is currently single. Either Ghostface will kill off Gale, or she and Dewey will break up off-screen. Dewey and Sidney will get closer in the new sequels.
- Dewey and Sidney see each other as surrogate siblings. They won't become a couple.
- Eminently jossed with Dewey's death. Gale and Dewey have broken up, but Sidney has also started a family with Mark Kincaid.
- Given Stu and Billy's egos and self entitlement, I SERIOUSLY doubt Stu would let Casey and her boyfriend go after she dumped him for the other guy. I think they knew she would screw up on the last question. Can you really see Ghostface hanging up the phone and leaving the property, or even keeping his word?
- To add to this, it's likely both killers were at each of the doors to the house, so it would be impossible for her to get the last question correct.
- This may sound far-fetched, but what if someone is kidnapping Sidney's friends and brainwashing them into becoming Ghostface? Long before Billy dated Sidney, she was in an abusive and controlling relationship with a guy. She finally gained the courage to break up with him. The guy couldn't handle the fact she is dating other guys, so he hypnotized people into hating her, hoping they will kill her. He gave them motives, and planted false memories into their heads in order to throw off any suspicion from him.
- Like Scream 2, all three of the "openings" for Scream 4 feature a pair of characters watching or getting ready to watch a horror movie. While one is more like Phil, excited or enthusiastic to watch the film, (Sherrie, Chloe, Jenny) the other is more like Maureen, in that they have a more dismissive attitude. (Trudie, Rachel, Marnie)
- Olivia's death is similar to Cici Cooper's in that it takes place right across the street from where the main protagonists are. She's also attacked while she was on the phone and at one point the killer smashes her through glass, much like Cici. They were both also the third victims in the film, not counting "Stab" deaths.
- Additionally, Marnie shares Cici's last name and was also thrown through a glass door.
- The fourth victim in both films, again not counting Stab deaths, received calls from the killer and later their bodies were found near news vans. Randy was found in a news van and Rebecca was thrown onto a news van.
- Rebecca and to a lesser extent Deputy Judy's interactions with Gale are very similar to that of Debbie Salt in Scream 2.
- Mickey often carried a camera around in his hand in Scream 2, Robbie obviously takes that quality to an extreme in Scream 4. It was also revealed that Ghostface filmed all the murders in Scream 2, another thing that's done in Scream 4.
- Hoss and Perkins' roles in Scream 4, as well as their deaths, are obviously similar to that of Officers Andrews and Richards in Scream 2. Even down to the younger officer being killed off rather quickly and the older officer dying after, from a head injury.
- Hallie and Kirby were both the last victims before the final showdown and killer reveal, and they were both killed by their respective boyfriends/love interests, Mickey and Charlie.
- Derek and Trevor, boyfriends of the "final girl" were both tied up and later shot to death.
- Both films feature a female Ghostface who betrays her male partner and kills him.
- It'll turn out that she planned the entire series of events from behind the scenes along with Randy and another character who'll be introduced in the final movie. Randy will have survived because his death was faked by the killers in Scream 2 because he was working with them all along. Each time Ghostface appeared it was a test run for their real goal. (Randy had to fake his death because he broke one of his own rules). The movie will end with them getting by with it (having learned from the others mistakes) and riding off in the sunset together after their successful killing spree.
- It's certainly possible that Roman could have acquired the necessary voices. Everyone (except for the deceased Maureen) that had their voices on the scrambler was part of the cast and crew for "Stab 3". As the director of "Stab 3", he could record the voices (Cotton was scheduled for a cameo in the film and Gale and Dewey were consultants), so if they were around on the set, he could record their voices (or at least an approximation) and add them into his scrambler, alongside the default "Ghostface" setting. As for Maureen? Roman stalked her for weeks, if not months. He would have had ample opportunity to record her voice.
- Take a look at Randy's rules to survive a horror film:
- No drinking, no illegal drugs: Alice drank and smoked pot in the first F T13th and survived. So did Ginny in Part 2. Even goodie two-shoes Laurie was smoking a joint with Annie in Halloween.
- No sex: There's nothing to hint that Alice is a virgin (her flirting with Bob about continuing the game of strip monopoly hints she isn't) and Ginny in Part 2 has sex with Paul.
Conclusion, the people in these movies, or at least originally were not savvy to the genre. But more pop culture know-it-alls who think they know the genre, but actually don't.
- I think you misunderstood the idea behind the rules. Remember, the first set of rules are for "How to Successfully Survive a Horror Movie." They are based on horror movie tropes from years before, rules that people believed came to be with films like Halloween. John Carpenter himself stated he disliked how other filmmakers came to form the "sex leads to death"/"only a virgin can survive" cliché from his film, when he truly stated that Laurie survived because she was somewhat more observant while her friends were just too busy focusing on living life (Laurie is the one who notices Michael first before her friends did, just as much as Tommy was observant about seeing Michael outside of the Wallace house across the street while Laurie was too focused on finding out Annie had set up a date between her and her crush Ben Tramer, again a typical teenager issue). But, as anyone knows: rules are meant to be broken, and the Scream franchise clearly broken the typical "horror movie" rules. So, if anything, your argument is correct, but for the wrong reason: the rules of a typical horror movie is established, rules that are typical in horror movies before that point. The first Scream intended to break the rules, as it was meta-commentary on horror movies from before that point.
- No they're not based on horror movie tropes. In fact, it's the complete opposite of what Scream says as seen through my examples given. Those aren't "broken rules", those are actual examples including one from a movie that's playing while Randy is saying these rules. It's more playing into how people perceive horror films. Or smart Aleck pop culture know it all's who in fact don't know anything if you actually watch these movies.
- Randy is pointing out that sex and drugs are usually death flags in classic slasher films because slasher villains are notorious for interrupting sex/drug scenes. It's not a coincidence that Billy and Sidney are having sex while Randy watches Bob and Lynda die in Halloween since Ghostface is going to interrupt Billy and Sidney just as Michael did for Bob and Lynda.
- People have commented that her death was so fast and non explicit that it was easy to miss and she wasn't fatally stabbed on-screen and seemed to be yelling out after being thrown through the mirror, but before hitting the ground. She could have just been unconscious and Left for Dead by Dewey and Gale.
- Leaning jossed, because in the fifth film they are happily married with children.
- What better way to counteract a set of killers who uses horror movies as their niche than with a vigilante who is trying to be the real-world equivalent of a superhero and drawing influences from superhero movies for his niche? It would add another thing for Sidney and company to wonder about in addition to try to figure out who the killer is, or if the vigilante and whomever is in the Ghostface costume now are both partners in crime but are adding superheroes into the mix to confuse everyone.
- One of things that the new 2022 Scream trailer reveals, is that this Ghostface is going after family members of the killers from past films. This means that he or she could be anyone from Sidney, herself, who finally snaps, to a past victim who survived, to a family member of a past victim who is getting revenge by going after the families, like Randy's brother or cousin for example.
- Jossed. They are none of those things and instead are toxic fans of the Stab movies who wish to inspire a superior installment of that series.
For example, in the actual scene, there's two synth stingers that occur during the scene: The first one when Michael comes out of the closest to pin Bob to the door, and the second one when it cuts to the closeup of Michael before he lift's Bob off the ground. However, in the Scream universe, the second stinger occurs when Michael stabs Bob. And after the stab occurs, and Randy pauses the tape, it shows Michael holding up the butcher knife and breathing heavy. This indicates that for the Scream universe, Michael is shown pulling the knife back out of Bob after having been shown that Michael had him pinned to the door. So, for the Scream universe, the iconic line from Aliens may in fact be "Stay away from her, you bitch" instead of "Get away from her, you bitch" as we know it in the real world. It may be the filmmakers' way to show how the world of the films are slightly different from our reality.