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A lot of people assume that Dewey has forgotten Tatum during the course of the films. However, Dewey is a guy with a big heart (David Arquette himself has even said so in promoting Scream 5), and there's a good chance that he hasn't forgotten Tatum. Due to Tatum dying when he was suppose to be keeping an eye on the party, [[ItsAllMyFault Dewey may blame himself for her death]], and felt guilt that [[SurvivorGuilt he survived when she didn't]], leading him to focus on not only fighting the killers of the films that have emerged after that, but [[BigBrotherInstinct protecting Sidney]] and their friends [[HiddenDepths as a means of atoning for his inability to protect his sister]] without ever having to mention why or mention her to explain his actions. He doesn't forget Tatum, but he doesn't mention her because he's trying to keep himself together for the people he cares about. This also explains why he became somewhat better at being a protector and being proactive to try to find out who the killers are in comparison to how he was in the first film. He may have felt better at the end of the third film by protecting Sidney and Gale, believing everything was over, but he never told Gale or Sidney about his guilt over his perceived failure because he didn't want them to see him as TheLoad and worry about him.

* Since 1-3 follow the rules of a film trilogy, and 4 follows the rules of a remake, the only logical next step is to have Scream 5 follow the rules (or lack there of) of a reboot. While remakes can deviate somewhat from the source material but typically have to follow the same plot points, reboots, which have become fairly commonplace in Hollywood as of 2021, and by extension Scream 5 (who’s official title is simply Scream, similar to how reboots just use the original title, no numbers or subtitles) don’t have to follow these same rules, as they allow filmmakers and writers to essentially rewrite a preexisting story and create their own rules, shaking up a franchise that has possibly become stagnant over the years. This will give the new ghostface a chance to truly shake up the formula set by their predecessors, possibly even resulting in the death or deaths of Sidney, Dewey, or Gale.

* It would heighten tension when they're alone with another character, as we know what the protagonists dont.

** This troper thought Robbie was the new Randy, their initials are even the same (Randy Meeks, Robbie Mercer) [[spoiler: he still most likely died though, but I'm hoping he lived!]]
** Robbie seemed like the new Randy, but at the end [[spoiler: Charlie actually calls himself the new Randy, but he degenerates quickly into a new Stu]]

*** True

The aformentioned FridgeBrilliance would come into play in the recently announced Scream 5, having Randy [[spoiler: return]] in the second film of the new trilogy as a mirror to [[spoiler: his death in the second film of the "old" trilogy.]]

** [[spoiler: Randy is, without a doubt, dead.]] Not only do we see him getting stabbed and killed, we also see that his throat's been slit. [[spoiler: Add that to the fact that Joel mentions that his van is a crime scene, Randy's sister is sad about his death in Scream 3, and the fact that he has never been so much as mentioned as being alive for two and a half movies..... yeah.]] He's dead. It's like saying [[spoiler:Tatum, Rebecca, or Trevor is alive. Their deaths are 100% final. If you want deaths which may have been survivable look at Kirby (Same wounds as Sidney, never mentioned again) or Robbie (Not wounded as bad as Dewey has been, alive for a while afterwards, paramedics are seen coming up and pulling out their equipment in the background of a scene)]] Now those characters may have survived.

*** Yeah, but it's especially sad when the characters that are in more than one movie are [[spoiler: killed off. WeHardlyKnewYe]]

* [[@/{{AdamantAdam92}} This troper]] thinks it makes sense, but [[spoiler: she was too obvious a suspect, and clearly set up to be a RedHerring, just like the cop in Scream 3 that Patrick Dempsey played.]] Though maybe the writer will reveal [[spoiler: Judy to be the killer in Scream 5, and make her admit to some of the murders in Scream 4.]]

** I don't think so. [[spoiler: Jill left the hospital after getting checked by the doctor, giving her time to whip out her costume and kill Rebecca; Charlie attacked Sid and Jill and killed Oliva and could've ran back home or to Robbie's home to inform him of the murder as the cops came]]. As for the strength part,[[spoiler: Jill was able to grab and throw Sidney against a glass cabinet in th hospital, lifting her a few inches of the ground]].

* Maybe the director`s assistant for the Bluntman & Chronic movie (played by Jamie Kennedy) was actually Randy Meeks, having [[spoiler: survived his attack in Scream 2]]. (I refer you to the first WMG on this page.) It would explain why he is so [[StealthPun meek]], timid, and jittery ([[spoiler: being attacked by a killer would do that to you]]). But it would also show that he is working his way up in Hollywood from lowly director's assistant to an actual director, eventually.

[[@/{{AdamantAdam92}} This troper]] is reluctantly adding this WMG because of how prevailant this theory is. So, OK, there is a possibility that both of them, or only one of them [[spoiler: survived]]. It would be nice to have a couple of [[spoiler: new recurring characters]] in future Scream movies besides the usual three.

* This would account for the change in the Ghostface voice (assuming the voice is the old man's, rather than the actual killer's), which was caused by Roger L. Jackson's real-life voice change (due to aging), but was never addressed in-universe.

* It's just a thought, but they really don't have much of a place in the franchise anymore. They [[spoiler: get engaged at the end of Scream 3]], and they [[spoiler: have a rocky marriage that gets better in Scream 4]], but their plotline has now been completely resolved. It's like when they removed Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley in Pirates of the Carribean 4, there is no need to have them in future sequels, it's the same for Dewey and Gale. Not saying that they should be killed off, just PutOnABus. Let's say that they moved to another country to get as far as possible from any more killings. This, in turn will allow more new characters to have more screen time in the fifth and sixth films.
** This troper seconds this. [[spoiler: Even though they play a role in the climax, they feel unnecessary to the storyline. It really wouldn't be a bad thing if the same thing happens to Sidney. The more she's in these movies the more likely it is she's going to end up murdered.]]

Search your hearts, you know it to be awesome.

[[WMG: If Sidney is in the next movie, she is going to kill herself]]
Sidney can't possibly stay sane after all of that.

One of the characters in Scream 4 mentioned that Stab 5 involved time travel, which is possible foreshadowing of the sequel. It won't be the standard time travel, though. Instead, we'll have flashbacks of Sidney's mom trying to escape from a killer (maybe Billy and Stu), and at the same time, have Sidney running from the same killer and trying to figure out his identity.

** I'd argue that [[spoiler: Mickey]] is pride [[spoiler: (he thinks so highly of his niche view of the social impact of film that he imagines his defense is impregnable)]]. [[spoiler: Jill]] then moves to greed, which fits well with [[spoiler: her lust for fame]].

* Quite possible as one of the Rumors and even Wes and Matthew Lillard themselves said that Stu would have survived and been orchestrating the murders of either Scream 2 or 3 (I can't remember exactly) but that they had to drop it after Columbine. Seeing as you said Horror logic applies to this series, it could very well be possible that we may see Stu in the future.

3. No matter what their motive is, it will always lead back to why the Heroine has to die in order for them to succeed.

5. No matter how much the Heroine succeeds, she will always lose someone, or something she cares about.

[[spoiler: Not via ressurection, but by some bizzare way, he survived getting shot in the head (I looked it up, it's possible to some degree, like if the bullet is stuck in the skull). All new characters will be Red Heerings like in the previous films, making TheReveal much more surprising. He will express disgust on how horror is all the same now, and is trying to take it back to it's classic roots saying somthing along the lines of "You can't kill the classics" and "The best always come back".]]
[[WMG: The next one will have...]]

Think about the sort of punishment he goes through throughout the series only to escape with little or no lasting effect. Even his limp from a 'severed nerve' is convientiently invisible and vague enough to be psychosomatic, a sympton he convinced himself he had, because a full recovery within months would be so implausible.

In a {{Film/Wes Cravens New Nightmare}} style twist the fifth scream will take place in a world where Neve Campbell, Courteney Cox, David Arquette, and Jamie Kennedy really did play roles in films called Scream and now someone obsessed with the movies is after them.

When wearing the costume, the killers possess various abilities, such as increased strength, durability, high levels of stealth, and fighting ability. These abilities all fade when the person takes off the costume. Note: no one ever dies when wearing the costume. In fact, Ghostface survives a lot, such as a car crash, getting shot, high falls, beer bottles breaking on his chest, and never really shows any limp or pain. Once the killer removes the costume, the demon's blessing is no longer a factor and they are rendered mortal. The demon doesn't outright possess its victims, but subconsciously encourages them to pursue their darkest fantasies (Billy wanted revenge, Stu wanted to be popular, Jill wanted fame, Roman wanted, etc).

* Tatum can't be the 3rd killer. It was Roman. He admitted it in his reveal. Even if Tatum was the 3rd killer, who did she killed?

** Another thing to add is how casual she was with ghost face even thou the killer hasn’t been caught yet, even thou she knows the killer is targeting Sidney, she was also kicking his ass pretty hard in that scene to more than anyone is the franchise really, besides Sidney. If only she didn’t try to escape. Also a good rebuttal is that Roman only helped kill Sidney’s mother, he isn’t involved in scream 1 killings.

[[WMG: Sydney and Dewey will become a couple in Scream 5 or 6.]]
* David Arquette and Courtney Cox are divorced in real life, and the character Sydney is currently single. Either Ghostface will kill off Gale, or she and Dewey will break up off-screen. Dewey and Sydney will get closer in the new sequels.

[[WMG: Scream is actually a TakeThat to people who think they're genre savy, but actually don't know what they're talking about]]

** No drinking, no illegal drugs: Alice drank and smoked pot in the first Friday and survived. So did Ginny in Part 2. Even goodie two-shoes Laurie was smoking a joint with Annie in Halloween.
** No sex: There's nothing to hint that Alice is a virgin(her flirting with Bob about continuing the game of strip monopoly hints she isn't) and Ginny in Part 2 has sex with Paul.

** I think you misunderstood the idea behind the rules. Remember, the first set of rules are for "How to Successfully Survive a Horror Movie." They are based on horror movie tropes from years before, rules that people believed came to be with films like ''Halloween''. John Carpenter himself stated he disliked how other filmmakers came to form the "sex leads to death"/"only a virgin can survive" cliché from his film, when he truly stated that Laurie survived because she was somewhat more observant while her friends were just too busy focusing on living life (Laurie is the one who notices Michael first before her friends did, just as much as Tommy was observant about seeing Michael outside of the Wallace house across the street while Laurie was too focused on finding out Annie had set up a date between her and her crush Ben Tramer, again a typical teenager issue). But, as anyone knows: rules are meant to be broken, and the Scream franchise clearly broken the typical "horror movie" rules. So, if anything, you're argument is correct, but for the wrong reason: the rules of a typically horror movie is established, rules that are typical in horror movies before that point. The first Scream intended to break the rules, as it was meta-commentary on horror movies from before that point.
** No they're not based on horror movie tropes In fact, it's the complete opposite of what Scream says as seen through my examples given. Those aren't "broken rules", those are actual examples including 1 from a movie that's playing while Randy is saying these rules. It's more playing into how people perceive horror films. Or smart Aleck pop culture know it all's who in fact don't know anything if you actually watch these movies.
* Randy is pointing out that sex and drugs are usually death flags in classic slasher films because slasher villains are notorious for interrupting sex/drug scenes. It's not a coincidence that Billy and Sidney are having sex while Randy watches Bob and Lynda die in ''Halloween'' since Ghostface is going to interrupt Billy and Sidney just as Michael did for Bob and Lynda.

[[WMG: Jennifer wasn't killed]]

* One of things that the new 2022 Scream trailer reveals, is that this Ghostface is going after family members of the Killers from past films. This mean's that he or she could be anyone from Sidney, herself, who finally snaps, to a past victim who survived, to a family member of a past victim who is getting revenge by going after the families, like Randy's brother or cousin for example.

For example, in the actual scene, there's two synth stingers that occur during the scene: The first one when Michael comes out of the closest to pin Bob to the door, and the second one when it cuts to the closeup of Michael before he lift's Bob off the ground. However, in the ''Scream'' universe, the second stinger occurs when Michael stabs Bob. And after the stab occurs, and Randy pauses the tape, it shows Michael holding up the butcher knife and breathing heavy. This indicates that for the ''Scream'' universe, Michael is shown pulling the knife back out of Bob after being shown that Michael had him pinned to the door. So, for the ''Scream'' universe, the iconic line from ''Aliens'' may in fact be "Stay away from her, you bitch" instead of "Get away from her, you bitch" as we know it in the real world. It may be the filmmaker's way to show how the world of the films are slightly different from our reality.

A lot of people assume that Dewey has forgotten Tatum during the course of the films. However, Dewey is a guy with a big heart (David Arquette himself has even said so in promoting the upcoming film), and there's a good chance that he hasn't forgotten Tatum. Due to Tatum dying when he was suppose to be keeping an eye on the party, [[ItsAllMyFault Dewey may blame himself for her death]], and felt guilt that [[SurvivorGuilt he survived when she didn't]], leading him to focus on not only fighting the killers of the films that have emerged after that, but [[BigBrotherInstinct protecting Sidney]] and their friends [[HiddenDepths as a means of atoning for his inability to protect his sister]] without ever having to mention why or mention her to explain his actions. He doesn't forget Tatum, but he doesn't mention her because he's trying to keep himself together for the people he cares about. This also explains why he became somewhat better at being a protector and being proactive to try to find out who the killers are in comparison to how he was in the first film. He may have felt better at the end of the third film by protecting Sidney and Gale, believing everything was over, but he never told Gale or Sidney about his guilt over his perceived failure because he didn't want them to see him as TheLoad and worry about him.

It was in the original script, and [[spoiler: she was pretty suspicious]]. Maybe [[spoiler: Roman betrayed and killed her because he wanted to be the soul survivor]], a plot point later employed in Scream 4.

A lot of people assume that Dewey has forgotten Tatum during the course of the films. However, Dewey is a guy with a big heart (David Arquette himself has even said so in promoting the upcoming film), and there's a good chance that he hasn't forgotten Tatum. Due to Tatum dying when he was suppose to be keeping an eye on the party, [[ItsAllMyFault Dewey may blame himself for her death]], and felt guilt that [[SurvivorGuilt he survived when she didn't]], leading him to focus on not only fighting the killers of the films that have come up after that, but [[BigBrotherInstinct protecting Sidney]] and their friends [[HiddenDepths as a means of atoning for his inability to protect his sister]] without ever having to mention why or mention her to explain his actions. He doesn't forget Tatum, but he doesn't mention her because he's trying to keep himself together for the people he cares about. This also explains why he became somewhat better at being a protector and being proactive to try to find out who the killers are in comparison to how he was in the first film. He may have felt better at the end of the third film by protecting Sidney and Gale, believing everything was over, but he never told Gale or Sidney about his guilt over his perceived failure because he didn't want them to see him as TheLoad and worry about him.