Haibara has said to Conan that, if he should tell Ran exactly what the hell is going on, then she'll be terrified. Now, this contradicts what she says about the strength of someone's feelings for a person affecting how they act with that knowledge. Look at Yukiko, Yuusaku, and Agasa's reactions. They don't believe him, but they help him hide. Ran would probably beat the crap out of him and then calm down and help him through the series later on.
- Haibara said that before she knew anything about Ran. She's since re-evaluated her opinion. Now her objection will most likely be, "She'd want to get involved, and that would get her killed faster than you can say 'Ano Kata'."
- It's weird how APTX affects specific people.
- Mouri seems derived from Moriarty. Probably not Ran and Kogoro themselves, but I can see someone like Vermouth impersonating Kogoro or something while real Kogoro is kidnapped. Thus, a Moriarty being the final boss.
- As far as we know from Chapter 898, Subaru is Akai, and Akai is FBI. Is it possible for one person to be a member of two government agencies?
- He isn't , but he know someone (Akai) who is relative to one.
- No clue about him being a member of KGB or not, though. Like theory above, is it possible for one person to be a member of two government agencies?
- A relative of Shuichi Akai. With the way Aoyama Gosho's art style looks there happens to be a lot of similar looking characters, but from a certain point of view, Sera's facial structure is similar to Shuichi's.
- Confirmed - Sera is Shuuichi's younger sister.
- Really Shuichi Akai is Sera. After being "killed" by Rena his only option to hide from the Black Organization was to change his identity and get a sex change. That's the reason Sera is so flat chested, it is because she's used to be a man. It becomes clear why "Sera" deleted the video that caught a glimpse of Haibara off the internet; it was naturally to protect the little sister of his dead lover. And why the other three FBI find "Sera" to look slightly familiar is because his real identity is Shuuichi.
- A girl Shinichi met while he was in America. She stated outright that's where she is from her first introduction. Naturally she being a fellow mystery lover, she fell in love with Shinichi, but only now decides to go find him in Tokyo. She might be bi-sexual, and wouldn't mind a OT3 with Ran, Shinichi, and herself.
- Both Okiya and Akai give Haibara the chills she from members of the Organization.
- Despite that, Conan trusts Okiya enough to let him stay at the Kudo house. "No fan of Sherlock Holmes could be bad" is really not a good explanation, note and if it's "friends close, enemies closer", he could have said so. Furthermore, Conan goes beyond letting Subaru stay at his house; he lends him the keys, asks Okiya to pick him and the kids (including Haibara) up, help out with cases a couple times, and more.
- They also just plain look similar, so that all Akai would need are glasses and a wig, or he could dye and straighten his hair. They wear similar styles of clothes, too.
- Ran seemed to think Okiya was familiar the first time she met him, having previously encountered Akai three times.
- The names in Case Closed almost always mean something. Akai means "red", and in the "Red, White and Yellow" case, Okiya Subaru was the "red guy".
- In issue #800, Okiya says "Don't make that kind of face" to Haibara. In issue #802, she remembers Akai using the same phrase while undercover as Moroboshi Dai.
- In issue #810, Okiya says he can't force Haibara to come with him, "because of [a] promise he made her..." If he is Akai, then he could be talking about Akemi Miyano.
- Which then implies he knows who Haibara is.
- The Detective Conan Wiki has expanded this theory.
- New theory: Okiya Subaru is Akai AND Bourbon. Akai went and reinfiltrated the B.O. under a different identity.
- Shuuichi is indeed Okiya. Bourbon, on the other hand, is Amuro.
- Which is hilariously ironic, if you remember Sera said that her mother is a busty woman, while in fact the mother is currently shrunk into a form of little girl.
- Confirmed! She is actually Mary, the Akai family matriarch, and a member of MI6, so she is part of an important organization.
- Find out Conan is Shinichi
- Think Vermouth is training Conan to be a Black Org member
- die/get killed
- become a double agent for the FBI
- will join Vermouth as Shinichi's secret secret-keeper
- or get run over by a car
- So far he's managed to be revealed as an agent of Japan's secret police organization as a NOC in the Black Org.
- Totally agree! I've thought about this too. I think she'd be much happier staying as Ai than going back to being Shiho.
- Imagine yourself at 18 and turned back into a 6 years old kid. Would you want to go to school all over again? Not to mention that she's a genius, she'd be bored to death. Furthermore, she can't go and show that she's a prodigy, since then the Syndicate will know her identity right away. So, pretty much, she's gonna be pretending to be a normal person for tfe. Not a good life, I think.
- She doesn't seem to exhibit anything near the same level of boredom Shinichi has as Conan, though. The social side of things (Friends like Ayumi& the boys) may serve to counteract the boredom from the academic side.
- I mean,I wouldn't mind having to redo school all over again if it means getting a new chance at life. What's 8 hours of boredom a day when you get to try new things you never got the chance to do when you were a kid. Honestly, getting back into my school days with an adult mind to help me making better decision regarding my future sounds like an ideal fantasy to me.
- Imagine yourself at 18 and turned back into a 6 years old kid. Would you want to go to school all over again? Not to mention that she's a genius, she'd be bored to death. Furthermore, she can't go and show that she's a prodigy, since then the Syndicate will know her identity right away. So, pretty much, she's gonna be pretending to be a normal person for tfe. Not a good life, I think.
- Maybe she won't because she is dead?
- Or perhaps, Shuukichi Haneda is both Rum and the second brother. However, it seems to be unlikely as of Chapter 908, Haibara states that Rum has lost one of his eyes. Both Shuukichi's eyes look quite normal, unless one of his eyes is really an artificial or prosthetic all along.
- Given Karasuma's age, Vermouth's apparent lack of aging could be the result of her father's early experiments. That the Boss would willingly experiment on their own daughter in their attempts to develop a drug that could work for them may have been what kicked off her disloyalty and dissatisfaction at the fact that her life was lashed to the Black Org for as long as it existed. To make a much wilder shot in the dark, perhaps if the "Silver Bullet" precursor drug is related to Vermouth's youth, Vermouth destroyed the lab where the Miyanos were producing the drug in revenge, preventing the Boss from attaining unnatural youth themself.]]
- In Chapter 450, the police were talking about a robbery syndicate that messes up security and committed murder. This causes them to send Detective Chousuke Takagi to Tottori.
- Ai also reacts weirdly upon hearing the words Kurayoshi City, which is located in Tottori.
- Confirmed as of Chapter 1066.
Wakasa let her name get put in the newspaper, when her name is clearly connected to ASACA RUM, which BO is paranoid about. She is perhaps worried one of the other Rums is coming after her for that, perhaps the true Rum. She may have figured out there were other Rums, all blind in one eye, but she doesn't know who they are, hence her terror at seeing other people who are or may be blind in one eye.
- Granted, her look toward the suspect in the Burning Tent case who almost needed a prosthetic eye was perhaps closer to hatred than terror.
- Interestingly, when Wakasa had the look of hatred on her face at the suspect, Ai Haibara—who was looking away and could not have seen Wakasa's expression—apparently sensed an aura coming off of Wakasa in that moment and was terrified by it. Ai's reaction was similar to when she encountered BO members.[1]
- Ai might have been reacting to Kuroda, who later admitted to spying on thr group and had a special interest in Wakasa. Also, the way Kuroda disarmed the perp put Ayumi in danger, requiring Wakasa to come up and catch her. This may point to Kuroda being Rum.
- Wakasa's hatred may have been directed not toward the guy who almost had his eye put out, but rather toward the guy who almost put it out. Wakasa may have had a similar experience and is secretly resentful for it.
- Interestingly, when Wakasa had the look of hatred on her face at the suspect, Ai Haibara—who was looking away and could not have seen Wakasa's expression—apparently sensed an aura coming off of Wakasa in that moment and was terrified by it. Ai's reaction was similar to when she encountered BO members.[1]
Wakasa Rumi appears to blind in her right eye (Burning Tent Case). Rum was described as possessing an artificial eye on one side of their face. But if Wakasa Rumi is Rum and has an artificial eye in her right eye (out of which she cannot see), then how is it that eye looks normal, she can cry out of that eye (Burning Tent Case), and she can move that eye in sync with her seeing one? Well, it is actually quite possible and would be a case where Gosho Aoyama has Shown Their Work.
Healthline.com tells us that a prosthetic eye can move in sync with the seeing eye and you can cry out of it, due to the fact that the muscles and tear ducts are not inside the eyeball itself.[2] If you search for prosthetic eye online, they can look quite realistic. So this is actually quite consistent with Wakasa having a prosthetic eye. The only issue would be that the pupil in the prosthetic eye would not change size in response to light, but her wearing glasses would help conceal that, especially if she has a highly reflective right lens (which she seems to have).
Now, if she has a realistic prosthetic eye and she is Rum, then how is it that whoever she talked to in the past knew she had a glass eye? Well, before becoming an assistant teacher, she wore one that was more obvious. Then when she knew she needed to go undercover as a teacher, she had a more realistic one implanted so she could be a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.
Of the 3 suspects, Wakasa, Kuroda, and Wakita, Wakasa is the one most likely to wear a prosthetic, because Kuroda wears a darkened lens over his blind eye to conceal it, and Wakita wears a patch over his. This would be unnecessary if they had prosthetic eyes.
- Kogoro/Eri getting together again
- Akai/Jodie
- Mitsuhiko/Ai, though it would be somewhat toyship until years.
- Eisuke Hondou/Masumi Sera
Alternatively,instead on Shinichi/Ran, Conan will instead end up with Ai (and never change back). There are several reasons for this:
- Ran is established as Shinichi's childhood friend, yes, and spends a great deal of time with him. But aside from being Ran's boyfriend, their relationship is now impossible without a significant amount of effort on both Ai's and Conan's part (and it is in Ai's best interest to not cooperate, since doing so not only put both at risk, but leaves her alone once again). She doesn't get to kiss him for very long before switching back, she doesn't get to even see him most days, and he keeps his identity a secret for 900+ episodes, actually preventing her from knowing. A real relationship needs a great deal of honesty, and it simply isn't there. In fact, if Conan were to somehow capture all of the organization, and finally be able to tell her, he's bathed with her, lived with her, slept with her, all without her knowledge or consent. This is somewhat creepy, to say the least.
- Ran never moves much from her initial character as a tough girl and Shinichi's girlfriend, while Ai constantly undergoes Character Development. In fact, the entire plot of the show manages to set up two extremely low odds to work towards the two of them growing up together.
- Like Ran, Ai is also set up as a potential live-in partner. But unlike Ran, Ai is an intellectual equal of Conan. Ran only helps Conan accidentally, and otherwise she's The Load since most cases don't involve muscle. Medical expertise on the other hand is tremendously helpful. Bottom line, Ran's relationship with him is very convenient, but very strained.
Joke evidence:
- Gin is potentially a fan of Sherlock Holmes.
- Gin uses an iPhone; Apple is very strict with its Product Placement.
Serious evidence:
- The beginning of the series - there were a million ways to kill Shinichi and quietly dispose of the body. Why use the drug?
- While on Conan's trail after finding the tracker planted on him, he stopped shot of opening the locker Conan was in. Given that he could hear Ai's breathing through the chimney, there was no way in hell he didn't know Conan was in there. This was his way of warning the kid to back off while maintaining his cover in front of Vodka.
In this light, his murder of Akemi could have been sympathetically motivated—there was no way for him to have safely extracted Shiho from the organization, as she was too useful, but if Shiho "defected"...he even shot Pisco before the latter could let slip that Shiho was Ai, giving him plausible deniability that he didn't know where Shiho had slipped off to!
Gosho Aoyama has stated in multiple interviews that Detective Conan will have a happy ending, so while the journey there might have twists and turns galore, the general shape of the ending is probably set in stone: Ano Kata and the B.O. will be defeated, Conan will turn back into Shinichi, Everyone Lives and does so Happily Ever After.
Except... There's one single recurring character who doesn't fit neatly into the good guy/bad guy dichotomy, and thus whose ending is up in the air enough to be worth debating:
Rei Furuya, alias Bourbon, alias Tohru Amuro. Amuro's ultimate end goal is to defeat the B.O., which should make him one of the good guys... but his primary short term, personal goal is to kill the more directly protagonist aligned Shuichi Akai, either directly or by turning him in to to the B.O. to be executed. Moreover, his motive for this is a misunderstanding, which puts him on the same moral footing as the series's less sympathetic culprits of the week. Equally importantly, he's also EXTREMELY popular. So, what will happen to him in the final arc? Place your bets now:
- Make amends with Akai and become one of the good guys before the end.
- Attempt to kill Akai, realize he's gone too far at the last minute, and turn himself in.
- Turn himself in for other crimes committed as part of the B.O. after realizing he's gone too far.
- Commit a case of Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work by killing a named B.O. operative, like Rum or maybe even Ano Kata himself (probably not Gin, though, he's the target of too many personal grudges from other main characters).
- In keeping with the Akai/Amuro crews status as walking Mobile Suit Gundam references, during the final conflict, he and Akai will break off from the rest of their groups and have a one-on-one final battle... which will be interrupted by Sera rushing between them and giving Rei a "Reason You Suck" Speech, which will make him realize he's forgotten his real goals and rush off to stop the B.O.'s final plan. This may overlap with the "Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work" theory above.
- Hook up with Azusa, as Zero's Tea Time and Zero The Enforcer seem to have been hinting.
- Volume 12: Agasa was able to sell his voice-changer tech to Bandai.
- Ano Kata's phone number sounds like the song "Seven Children." Agasa's pretty friendly with kids: Conan, Ai, Ayumi, Mitsuhiko, and Genta make five. Then could Shinichi and Ran make seven? In flashbacks Agasa has been seen spending more time with Shinichi and Ran than their own parents do, driving them around on cases and taking them on trips, just as he does for the Detective Boys now.
- The Last Wizard of the Century, anyone? When Conan asks him to look up a sniper that shoots people in the right eye, he says, " Don't ask me how I'm doing it, but I'm on a top-secret data base looking up the person." If he was The Boss of a big bad organization, he would definitely have access to data bases, if the Black Organization doesn't already have one.
- A recent 2013 interview has the author rejecting Agasa as the boss. In fact Agasa is the only known person that Gosho has ever rejected.
- Agasa being the boss behind it, was a fairly popular urban legend about anime/manga in Japan. There are urban legend sites in Japanese that talk about this theory. However, some of those sites have speculated that the author may deliberately joss it due to the fact that the theory is well-known among some Japanese fans. And indeed, he did seem to joss the idea.
- A lot of Conan is based on Sherlock Holmes. Beika comes to mind, which is based on Baker Street. So who was Sherlock Holmes' arch nemesis. PROFESSOR Moriarty.
- Jossed, as confirmed in this interview.
- I kinda thought Subaru was Akai Shuichi in disguise. Why else would Conan let him into his house so readily? And Conan definitely knew something was up about Shuichi's 'death.' I don't believe he actually died.
- Subaru being Anokata, at least, has been Jossed—retroactively. In a 2006 interview, Aoyama revealed that Anokata's name had appeared in the manga. Subaru didn't appear until 2008.
- And recently it has been strongly implied (if not proven) that Subaru is in fact a not-dead Akai Shuuichi in disguise. Subaru had always kept his eyes squinted . . . until the end of the latest Black Org arc [File 824], which involved a blown-up train. See for yourself!
- Subaru being Anokata, at least, has been Jossed—retroactively. In a 2006 interview, Aoyama revealed that Anokata's name had appeared in the manga. Subaru didn't appear until 2008.
- Theories that either Kazuha Chan or one of the Detective Boys (other than Ayumi Chan, for which there is of course ample evidence) are also quite popular, but experts hold that they have in fact been disproven. Some disagree and acuse the experts of hiding evidence. These people also tend to fall into the utterly ridiculous camp of people that believe that Kazuha loves Heiji and Ran loves Shinichi, rather than the much more logical and reasonable Kazuha/Ran and Heiji/Shinichi theories.
- Well, that's the point of WMG. Deny the obvious, uphold the inane, right?
- Of course, there's the problem of the text she receives from the Boss warning her that she's taking her leeway too far. Then again, this could have been part of a masquerade to make Shinichi think she was just an employee if he woke up early. The Vineyard name meaning still works, though, if Vermouth is the Boss's sister, cousin, or wife (i.e. both Vermouth and the Boss carry the Vineyard name).
- Jossed, as confirmed in this interview.
- Jossed, as confirmed in this interview
- But TBO is only the name Conan gave them to call them something, it's not the group's real name.
- Jossed, as confirmed by this interview.
- Jossed, as confirmed by this interview
- Jossed, as confirmed by this interview.
- As stated above, an interview confirmed Agasa being the boss is jossed; josses Yusaku Kudo (Shinichi Kudo's father) as the boss as well, and here◊ josses any of the Detective Boys (and Sonoko). The only one who is still a suspect is Kogoro.
- Jossed, as confirmed by this interview.
Vermouth is "the boss's favorite" and allowed to get away with so much (especially in protecting Shinichi) because she was Toichi's student and was hand-picked for the Black Organization for this reason; Yukiko, affiliated with detective- and law-minded types as she was, was not. If Chikage is Ano Kata, she wants to find a way to resurrect Toichi, and the hints that the BO's true goal is to raise the dead are all true, possibly justifying their murders in their own minds if they plan to bring them back. If Toichi is Ano Kata, he is competing with the organization in Magic Kaito, whose threats against him and his family forced him to fake his death and whose attempts to find immortality he is attempting to foil with a perfected version of APTX 4869; not by relying on "magic jewels" like they do, but with science. Unless he plans for this "immortality" to backfire on the rival organization in some horrible way, then the Black Organization's goal probably remains the same.
Whether it's Chikage or Toichi, though, prepare for some absolutely MASSIVE pedestal breaking when the rest of the Kuroba family finds out.
- Toichi is not the Boss, as confirmed by this interview◊; Chikage is a suspect.
- Or, maybe Toichi is secretly one of the identities Karasuma Renya assumed after he presumably faked his death 50 years ago. For a character associated with doves, it's pretty strange for the family's last name to be "Black Feather" and for somebody to set up a crow-themed Kaitou using Toichi's identity. Especially since Aoyama has gone out of his way to only use crow symbolism to foreshadow connections with the Black Org. Why persistently align the Kurobas with the color black and crows, when Kid wears white and is associated with doves? We do know, however, that Karasuma was super into crows; he used it as his symbol and themed his organization after them. Considering his symbol matches his name, it's believable he might do the same with one of the identities he assumed. And we do know Toichi was seeking a source of immortality just like the Organization seems to be. In which case, Toichi not being the boss could be a mere "from a certain perspective" kind of thing, because "Karasuma Renya" is the true identity of the Boss, not "Kuroba Toichi." Of course, this theory could be made or broke by the circumstances surrounding the Sunset Mansion Massacre and how Karasuma has managed to live for over 150 years, two events which seem to be intimately related to the creation of the Black Org itself.
One of the Washuu spawn in the Conan world could be Gin, come to think of it. He looks and acts the part.
He's the right sex and about the right age to be Renya Karasuma fifty years after taking some sort of APTX prototype, his job is to sit in an office and give orders over the phone all day so answering the Nanatsu no Ko line at any time wouldn't draw suspicion, he's one of the only recurring characters not to have any sort of family or backstory (there's just his former classmate from Heiji and the Vampire Mansion, who could have been a B.O. member), he's never met Haibara, he matches Ano Kata's psych profile the closest of any of the recurring characters (he's good at planning and is an asshole), and when he opens his eyes they look very similar to Gin's, which made Shinichi wax poetic about how evil they look for a full page when he first saw them.
- There is another hint. After solving the board game mystery the developer worked for the BO and had his "diary" with hidden text. One of the quotes was "We raise the dead against the stream of time" or something like that. This is them dubbing the "Silver bullet" as a drug to stop aging by changing cells to never degrade as they divide but it kills people by stopping all their cells which is instant death.
- This is the only theory that makes sense, since otherwise after taking the pill to return to his normal age, Shinichi would not regress to Conan again unless the substance was still present and active in his blood. Thus it would mean that the drug, still active in the body, is effectively halting any aging the two kids may want to do.
- Because she was much older than Shinichi & Haibara, it didn't de-age her into childhood, merely young-to-mid adulthood (enough she could impersonate her own daughter). Why she did it and why the Black Organization doesn't know about the regression effect are harder to say. It could be that, like Haibara, Vermouth was attempting suicide and lucked out, and either her looks didn't change drastically enough to set off alarm bells, or they all attribute Vermouth's younger appearance to her disguise talents and narcissism. The possibility Vermouth has taken the drug also leads me to think...
- The two confirmed shrink-ees and one possible all possess one thing in common: They are highly intelligent and near-or-outright masters in their chosen fields. This leads me to believe that the regression effect of APTX-4869 is not a Million to One Chance, but has a specific trigger, most likely some genetic trait or something else DNA-based that also creates high level intellect in those who possess it. If someone with this trait takes the drug, they won't die. Of course, this leads to yet another possibility...
- Getting just enough apoptosis out of the body to reverse some aging without getting yourself killed probably depends on the agent being very picky about what genetic material and/or cells it does and does not go after. If the agent was designed to specifically keep Vermouth alive, it's a fair bet that it wouldn't be so pleasant to anyone without some of her own genetic material. Of course, that leads to... Shinichi and Shiho are blood relations of Vermouth's to some degree (see below.)
This would also tie in to Kid's Organisation being the same as Shinichi's above, and would mean that they could ultimately be forced to join ranks.
- Which, may I say, would be made of awesome.
- No, awesome would be made of that.
- Would also go nicely with the theory that Ai is Ano Kata (see above)...
Consider: Gin knocked out Shinichi and planned to kill him to silence him, but as he pointed out to his partner, Vodka, there were cops everywhere. Gin needed a quiet, certain, efficient way to kill Shinichi and enable him and Vodka to slip away before his death was discovered. Apoptoxin 4869 does offer a benefit like no other: so far, modern forensics cannot detect its presence in the body, meaning there would be less evidence left behind. However, Apoptoxin 4869 still does not make sense as the choice poison in this situation, especially not by someone as careful as Gin. Gin directly states that APTX 4869 is experimental, and that it hasn't been tried on a human before, so the result of drugging Kudou Shinichi couldn't be certain, and even then, to observe the full effect would require time Gin didn't have. What Gin needed more than a lack of evidence was a poison that would kill Shinichi quickly and quietly, to ensure his death while allowing them time to escape. Poisons like that already exist, and likely Gin had them on him despite his favoring of the gun—and if not Gin then surely Vodka, considering he and Gin encounter a variety of situations which require gruesome efficiency. And in the case of emergencies, easy-to-access poisons and suicide and last resort pills are more than likely to be carried on operatives of such a shady organization, so they almost certainly had other options.
Why APTX 4869? Well, besides efficient, there is one trait Gin has that has gotten in the way of this efficiency before: he's a psychopath with a quiet, but very dark sense of amusement who genuinely enjoys watching others suffer. Others' lives are meaningless to the point of him not even remembering those he's killed, but he hyperfocuses on deaths he thinks can bring him amusement, satisfaction, or pleasure. Gin likely couldn't resist the irony of experimenting with "The Experimental Detective" on a detective—a darkly humorous twist that becomes doubly ironic when considering the results of his "experiment." Because of this, Gin falls to Bond Villain Stupidity by setting up the circumstances of the death but not staying to ensure Shinichi actually died—and because Shinichi ends up surviving the inconsistently lethal drug and Gin left before the drug even took affect, Shinichi survived the encounter, leaving a witness with enough skill to influence law enforcement alive and aware of Gin's organization's existence.
- And they'll ride into the sunset on Conan's skateboard.
- It's also possible they're ordered by experimental batch. I can't imagine every version of APTX was called "4869." 4869 is most likely the serial number of the most recent version of the drug, which we know has existed for some time in various forms and thus had to have a way to differentiate between the different "batches." The list may not actually be exclusive to 4869 victims—since 4869 is the version Haibara created, and if the number refers specifically to that version, 4869 is too recent a creation for the older victims to have died from it, especially since Shinichi is stated by Gin to be the first human test subject for APTX 4869. Instead, the list may contain victims and test subjects from every version of the drug. The idea that APTX 4869 (nicknamed "the experimental detective" because of the Sherlock pun) and the older versions of APTX are not called the same thing may tie into the mystery behind what Haibara's mother called "The Silver Bullet." Possibly that was the nickname referring to an earlier APTX. This is slightly more a shot in the dark, but maybe this Silver Bullet version had a similarly punny number, perhaps APTX 4681, which is similar to the Japanaese pronunciation of Silver Bullet (Shi-Ru-Ba Wan, a pun on "Silver Dan," with Dan being a word for bullet). Or perhaps it was APTX 468, "Silver," and the "bullet" nickname came from the drug's form, a pill.
- To connect two theories (and canons) together, Karasuma may have acquired the Pandora gem towards the end of his natural lifespan, giving him continued life but a debilitatingly aged physical body. Following this logic, the Organization from Magic Kaito and the Karasuma Group are not likely to be the same group, because why seek what you've already acquired? But this does open up the possibility of hostilities between the two, if one ever discovers that the other may have what they want.
- To combine a third, this explains a lot if paired with the theory that Vermouth is Karasuma's daughter. Being wealthy and old, Karasuma would likely have had adult children at the time he acquired this strange immortality, with whom he could have shared this with. But as, per this theory, he is suffering from Age Without Youth and seeking a solution, he may have begun to experiment on any such children, seeking solutions for his age problem without being willing to test them on himself, which explains why Vermouth's physical appearance was middle aged twenty years ago and why she appears roughly in her twenties now—and also why she appears to find her life so miserable during the Golden Apple case.
- So it's only a coincidence that everyone they run into has a crappy relationship with their friends or family?
- Yes, dysfunction is everywhere.
- Conan manipulated the families into those situations, always picking one person towards whom all the evidence will point, so that Mr. Moore would have a case to "solve". He might have even hypnotized the sucker so that they would believe themselves to be guilty.
- Related theory: The "filler" cases are dreams - Conan/Shinichi is certainly big enough of a mystery geek. Or perhaps they're part of a manga that Dr. Agasa works on in his spare time...?
- Alternatively, they're part of a novel Shinichi's father works on, inspired by his son's fate.
- Certainly an interesting theory with the dreams. As I said, I don't know how many "seasons" (and I mean the weather seasons) have "passed" but it would more or less explain how nearly 1000 murders/mysteries have occurred and been solved. Only the ones that are extensively mentioned later on/have ties to the Black Organization are actually from the timeline, while everything else is simply filler/dream/what-if scenarios meant to flesh things out (kinda like how you can ignore roughly half or more of Cowboy Bebop).
- It could be that there are multiple timelines. The continuity-important cases are true across all timelines, while the filler cases happen in one/some but not in others, and are distributed evenly so each timeline is roughly the same length.
- What about the cases with Agasa and the Detective Boys? Who kills the victim? Ayumi?
- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo...! Why Ayumi? WHY?!
- The only problem is that a lot of these murders require a lot of planning in advance. They can't all be spontaneous.
- The curse is actually my headcannon. We see Shinichi and Ran after all in one episode of Inuyasha, so some demon cursing them? Not that far off.
- Since so many of these murders are acts of revenge for a prior death, the spirits of those original victims reach out to people who can potentially prevent their loved ones from committing murder or, failing that, exposing them and making them try to repent.
Think about what Buzz Buzz told Ness back in EarthBound. Buzz Buzz said, and I quote, "From now on, you'll be fighting enemies sent by Giygas, as well as humans who have evil thoughts. They'll definitely make trouble during your adventure. Animals are also becoming violent due to Giygas' influence over the evil in their minds! It is the truth, so listen!" To summarize, Giygas' influence takes the evil in the minds of animals and humans and amplifies it.
So what if that influenced human was on the short end of the stick? What if, say, they were cheated on by a lover or were lied to and used by a supposed friend? Suppose they thought briefly of murdering that person in their anger and, after thinking it over a bit, started to embrace the thought and plan it out...
So somehow, Giygas survives the battle with Ness and flees across space and time to the DC universe. Which is good news for Conan/Shinichi, since he wants to be a famous detective.
Ok, so this is a very broad theory.
We know the following:
- Vermouth is the favourite of Ano Kata.
- Vermouth must be way older than she seems.
- Even accounting being a favourite, she have some other connection to Ano kata, according to bourbon.
- She know about Conan/Shinichi and Ai/Shiho, but is not telling BO, and seems to want to destroy BO by this.
- The goal of BO is to raise the dead, by vermouths own words.
Well, why?
The simple reason is: Vermouth is immortal/de-aged. But not by APX-4869!
Imagine this. For some reason, Vermouth suddenly de-ages. Ano Kata or someone else sees her potential, or might even be greedy to get de-aged themselves.
The Miyano couple is hired to create a faux elixir from Vermouths blood or DNA. (Vermouth did not like the Miyanos and their work, remember?)Sadly, they fails miserably over and over again, killing several test objects in the process. (Could this be why they where terminated from BO?/ why they tried to escape?)However, Ano kata does not want to throw this result away, and gets Sherry to re-purpose the work of her parents, still using Vermouth.
Some part of the new ingredients added by sherry makes the de-ageing possible, now as an unwanted side-effect instead of its full purpose.
So, Vermouth is the favorite of Ano Kata? Of course, she is! She is the most valuable resource they have!
Why would vermouth not tell the organization about Conan/Haibara? Part sympathy, because the three of them are now the same. Perhapsomeonen, not wanting to share her age-less with more people. Maybe as a revenge, for the suffering the Ano Kata and Miyanos put her through in the name of science.
So what was Bourbon referring to? well, it could be vermouth being Ano Kata's lab rat, but of course, there could be something else behind it. Ano kata might just be someone she cares about (such as a child or a lover), and she might not want Ano Kata to achieve his goals due to her knowing the pain of seeing the world flying past her?
Bonus, For the pleasure of epileptic trees: Maybe the last person who had the Pandora from Kaitou kid's universe was Vermouth?
- So how does Conan have all of Shinichi's personal memories and knowledge?
- This would explain why Gin wasn't very affected during the time Haibara drank Paikaru - It happened to be an unusually ineffective batch.
This is a simple idea. The only person who had heard of Shinichi from the Kansai area is Heiji, and Shinichi had never heard of Heiji before he showed up. If Shinichi (who is considered the better of the two) is the savior of the Japanese police force and known to be such, then why aren't other areas and countries attempting to get him to solve their cases? Thus, they are just two high school students who solved some cases and got inflated egos.
This also can relate to what Kazuha is thinking when she first sees Shinichi. She thinks, So this guy really exists? Please note that she is best friends with a detective who has knowledge of Kudo, and has mentioned him repeatedly. But since she never heard of him, besides (assuming) after Volume 13 of the manga, Shinichi has an inflated ego.
- Shinichi does have an inflated ego but he does show the ability of a good meitantei. Shinichi has been called to other areas in the past too - movie 1, that manga case with the village that hates him - it's their lack of concern towards that pesky thing called school that is a concern. (Though Shinichi at least has an excuse during the main time period.)
- This may have been discounted in a recent chapter where the culprit or an attempted murder held a grudge against Shinichi, and subsequently had collected an impressive number of newspaper articles with said detective's solved cases enough to cover an entire wall.
- Well, do you know any real life detective? Even if there is actually a genius detective like Shinichi in real life, no one would have a clue about him. This career doesn't have a large popularity, so it's understandable that only people in legal and crime force will know about Shinichi and Hattori.
- He drank so much it resulted in brain damage changing him into "a childlike state"
- When things get really bad (getting a cold) Drinking/Drugs is his only way of feeling better (being Jimmy) He longs for it to work when he is not this way too and has attempted bt nothing can bring him out of his depression.
- The Black Organization are actually Patrio. . . La-li-lu-le-lo.
- The Black Organization is a faction of the Soldats, Ran Mouri is a potential Noir.
- The Black Organization is backed by Seele, everything in Detective Conan is moving toward the Second Impact.
- The mysterious Boss of the Black Organization is Seele 05
Before the attack, agents of the black organization could freely enter the twin towers and rig the site. Just like in real life, before )9/11, there were suspicious works done on the 2 buildings.
And in the end, it is even directly pointed out that most people will not realize who really destroyed the twin towers.
- This is handwaved as Gin and Vodka having just cleared themselves of being murder suspects earlier, and they were in a hurry to leave. Plus the drug does have a ridiculously high fatality rate. They didn't count on Shinichi having Plot Armor.
- While I like this theory, Gin and Vodka aren't aware of any million to one chances, as far as I can tell Haibara is the only one aware of the secondary effect, everyone else just thinks its a poison. Gin might know better though, since he is high up in the organization (at least it appears that way) and obviously the drug was developed for other purposes than just poison. It's also possible that Agasa, the true head of the Black Organization (see below) told him about it.
- It seemed to me that the Black Org never actually wanted Shinichi dead; he just stumbled on a case and they gave him a poison which had a 1 in a million chance of de-aging someone instead of killing them. So Gin actually does believe Shinichi to be dead.
- Haibara isn't an Alternate Universe Dana Scully, Haibara is the Dana Scully.
- It seems clear that both groups are after immortality in some form.
- Could be different branches. One does it scientifically and all the agents are named after alcohol. The other tracks the more occult means and the agents are named after animals.
- They don't even have to be different branches, at least if you go solely by the manga, where the only named agent, Snake, wears a black coat and fedora. Ever hear of Snake Wine, or Snake Whiskey? Totally valid.
- So why does Conan have all memories of Shinichi, as if they were his own?
- Memory implant. He's supposed to be a full, if short, replacement, after all.
- That doesn't seem to be a set fee, though—Kogoro is seen to receive a piggy bank full of money in return for helping a child star), and Kogoro is seen to be VERY irresponsible with his money, blowing through a good chunk of a similarly sized fee in one of stories. Additionally, we don't know if Ran is attending a public or private school (private seems much more likely, given that her classmate Sonoko is from a wealthy family, and Shinichi also lives in a Big Fancy House) and we also are unaware of the circumstances of Kogoro's separation from his wife. She's probably not asking him for alimony, but one never knows.
- Given the dynamics among the Mouris, chances are Eri gave money for "Ran's living," which of course include her tuition at Teitan.
- Kogoro only gets paid when he's actually hired on a case; 90% of the time the murders are dropped onto his lap, via Shinichi's Doom Magnet.
- But she bleeds, and that blood ain't flowing back into her, disproving the "elixir" drinking. If she was a HOMUNCULUS however, and Ano Kata was the one who created her...
- No, Better up! Vermouth IS Miria. Mirias personality is either an act or Miria has a split mind, and Vermouth being her second personality.
- Perhaps he hits Conan on the head because no matter what, his pride cannot take that a little kid, whoever he really is, is stealing his shine.
By the way, the occasions of Ran making Conan confess his secret and the latter tries to get the former to ignore the idea are just only a ruse for Conan not to know that Ran knew his secret all along.
- Alternately, it doesn't have to be a Time Lord. Any creature with command of space-time could be behind it.
- Then he'll know how Battler feels.
will feature an article on Batman. I mean, for Pete's sake, he's already resorted to doing one for Gregory House in a previous volume!- Unlikely because there is a scenes with Kaito's dad, Vermouth, and Yukiko. Vermouth looked nothing like Chikage in it.
- Vermouth is a master of disguise, and if I remember correctly Chikage isn't home very often - her trips to Vegas are actually her leaving to do Black Org work. It would also explain why the snipers haven't actually killed Kaito yet and why Vermouth is working against the Black Org.
- A user on tumblr pointed out that, among a whole list if odd moments that seem to suggest Takagi knows more than audience is aware of, Takagi must have seen Conan do his bow tie trick because, on at least one occasion, he helps Conan do his murder method demonstration while hiding under a table with Conan while Conan solves the case with the bow tie trick (the case in question is the Haunted House case).
- A user on tumblr pointed out
- Except in the movies, especially Movie 3, Last Wizard of the Century , in which a lot of people died despite Kaitou and Conan being both in it.
- Basically no, because a lot of Conan and Kaitou's meetings involve a murder mystery. Just off the top of my head: The Magic Lover Club Murder, The TV Special "Kudo vs Kaitou Kid - A Gathering of Detectives!", and the Jet-Black Mystery Train. And I've not seen every episode nor read all the manga, so there may be more I'm not aware of.
Agent Mulder and Agent Sculley
Inspector Gadget, Penny, and Brain
Elementary School Student-board
James "Sonny" Crockett and Ricardo "Rico" Tubbs
The Kudos and the Kurobas were, at the very least, friends before the accident - not only did Yusaku know and keep their family's... moonlight professions a secret, but Toichi inspired Yusaku to essentially write a book series about what seems to be a villainous version of his friend (the Night Baron series - seriously, those complete trolls must've done so much to get on each other's nerves that we haven't heard about). Given this, if Toichi really did die that day, that death must've garnered some heartbreak and suspicion from the Kudos - and no doubt Yusaku, being the only person in the series to consistantly out-deduce Shinichi, both investigated and kept the files. Why couldn't he prove it was foul play, why didn't he spot the thread and catch the murderer? If he didn't have hard proof, it would probably be hard to talk the police into opening a homicide investigation - after all, Yusaku's suspicions of foul play would have been based entirely on Toichi's secret criminal life. (It's surprising that they were good enough to hide evidence from Yusaku, but if the theory on the Magic Kaito WMG page about Vermouth is true, the inability for Yusaku to figure out the culprit makes sense: if Toichi didn't know about Vermouth's assassin double life, Yusaku sure as hell didn't. But now, thanks to Shinichi, he does.)
Maybe we'll start getting hints that Yusaku's been looking into the case again offscreen. Maybe Conan will try to look through cases in his dad's files, or will be trying to get more info about his family's past with Vermouth, and come across it (after all, he still doesn't know she was the fake serial killer whose life he saved in New York, so he doesn't know why she favours him so much, and he probably assumes it's due to her connection with his mother - from their time together as Toichi's apprentices, which gives him a pretty good reason to look into that). To keep the wonderfully ironic in-joke that Kaitou KID represents (which is that, for once, DC readers know more about the criminal Conan's chasing than Conan), Conan probably won't figure out that Toichi was Kaitou Kid - but it'd be a good way to tie the plots of Magic Kaito and Detective Conan together. (If Conan does find out Toichi was Kaitou KID... well, the plots of DC and MK will probably merge like never freaking before, considering Kaito's main goal is to expose and foil the plans of his dad's murderers. Therefore, Conan figuring this out honestly doesn't seem likely - Aoyama's been careful to keep them mostly separate, with implied connections hidden just... offstage, as it were, rather than direct, concretely tied connections and plots).
This would also help us, the fans, get more information about Toichi's life and death that may not be strictly relevant to the distinctly-not-murder-mystery-centric plot of Magic Kaitou - and even further, invert how DCMK crossovers have so far gone: instead of the Detective Conan audience knowing more than Conan through reading Magic Kaitou, the Magic Kaitou audience would know more than Kaito through reading Detective Conan. If done cleverly enough, such an investigation could foreshadow future events of the Magic Kaitou manga and add to the implied connections between the Kuroba and Kudo families that Aoyama has been having fun letting the fans figure out for themselves.
So, first off, we all know about the infamous identicality of Kaito and Shinichi. Kaito's been mistaken for Shinichi on more than one occasion by his closest friends, and has used this to his advantage in the movies: it is an intentionally mentioned point that Kaito and Shinichi are virtually identical save hairstyle, further highlighted by Aoyama supposedly claiming in an interview that there is an in-story reason they look alike, though it hasn't been revealed. It doesn't help that it's easy to deduce that both their parents and their parents' most trusted friends belonged to the same small, unique social circle: Jii was Toichi's assistant, Agasa is Jii's supplier, Yusaku's long-standing Holmes-and-Watson-esque partnership with Agasa has been referrenced many a-time, Toichi was friends/moonlight sparring buddies with Yusaku, who also knew his secret identity, and Yusaku married Yukiko, who was herself Toichi's apprentice. All we're missing is finding out that Kaito's mom's been traveling the world with Yukiko off and on and everyone in the group will be accounted for.
That is a lot of "coincidental" connections for two supposedly unrelated families to have, especially two supposedly unrelated families who also coincidentally have two sons who are not only the exact same age, but also identical of face, voice, and intelligence - and even resemble each other behaviorally. The only visual difference is the hairstyle (and sometimes the animators do weird things with colors, but canonically they have the same hair and eye color - none of this "indigo" or "purple" nonsense, every official art picture has Kaito's eyes the same shade of blue as Shinichi's). Point is, even the fans mix up pictures of them if they're wearing ordinary hats or the tops of their heads are cropped off of an image. And even more coincidentally, despite their parents' relationships, it's implied they were never introduced to each other, despite the fact that each couple had met the other's child and there's no way they wouldn't immediately be reminded of their own when they did - so why not introduce them at some point? Isn't that strange? Considering their parents were such close friends and their children are the same age? Don't parents usually bring their children along when they meet up so they can socialize and have "playdates" - especially the parents of a child as bad at socializing as Shinichi was? Did they seriously turn up at the other couple's house, look at their friends' son who is eerily similar to their own son, and not question their decision to presumably leave their own child back with some kind of babysitter? You'd think Toichi would be super into his son having a functional twin to assist in magic tricks! Twins are, like, one of the most useful tools in magic, every magician wants twin assistants, and a magician who himself has a doppelganger is able to vastly increase his range of possible illusions. A secret "twin" that no one would suspect you have because you're an only child? Even better!
It just doesn't make sense... unless there's a reason the two identical-looking boys shouldn't be seen with each other.
Well, perhaps they're just so cataclysmically destructive together, their parents never wanted to put them in the same room (laughs). Perhaps they already tried once, and never want to go through that again (after all, the assumption that they've never met is based off the fact that we've never seen evidence of any interaction through all their flashbacks as children, despite childhood and childhood friends being significant to their backstories and current relationships - they still hypothetically could have met once offscreen and just had nothing come out of it. It's just... unlikely, unless Aoyama has a reason to keep that quiet).
Joking aside, considering what their parents got up to and encouraged their children to get up to, I doubt "avoiding mayhem" was the reason. More seriously, there are two main possibilities: First, their fathers could be related. I say their fathers, because their mothers bare no resemblance to each other.
I find this possible - Yusaku and Toichi do bare a certain resemblance to each other, especially in the manga and the earlier anime representations before DC's style changed, and they have a playful, borderline brotherly history of non-maliciously trolling each other - but the resemblance isn't nearly as strong as the resemblance between their sons, and statistical genetics stand against this possibility in terms of likeliness. If Toichi and Yusaku were brothers, Kaito and Shinichi would be related through shared grandparents. As first cousins, they would only share about 25% of their genetic code. Given that their dads do not resemble each other nearly as much as their sons do, and their mothers do not resemble each other at all, the likelihood that Kaito and Shinichi would be born not only inexplicably identical, but also supposedly coincidentally within a month and a half of each other, is abysmally low. Not to mention their shared personality traits, despite, again, apparently never having met as child. The uncanny resemblance is slightly more likely if Toichi and Yusaku were identical twins, in which case Kaito and Shinichi would share 50% of their genetic code, but while this is still a possibility, I find this unlikely. As stated before, they are clearly not identical. (Of course, they could be going out of their way to look different while still maintaining "natural" looks, but to have a reason for that would indicate an entirely different secret going on - and this is lacking evidence, even circumstantial evidence).Therefore, if there is an in-story reason behind the resemblance as Aoyama has apparently claimed, barring more bizarre explanations like cloning and magic, odds are on the second option: Kaito and Shinichi are twins.
- If true, then for some reason, their parents must be trying to publicly dissociate each twin from possible relation to each other—starting with decreasing the likelihood that anyone would make the connection by making sure the two aren't seen together or associated with each other. Which would fit into the odd fact that, despite their families' close connections, the two don't appear to have met before.
- Recent movie shows their fathers are twins. So they are cousins.
