Trivia / The Black Cauldron

  • Box Office Bomb: And an expensive one at that, barely returning half of its over $40 million budget; it remains one of Disney's poorest-performing theatrical releases.
  • Creator Killer:
    • The failure to get the film out in any reasonable amount of time helped bring down Ron Miller's regime at Disney, and its financial failure ensured that he would never work in Hollywood again; he founded the Silverado winery and moved into that business instead.
    • Co-directors Ted Berman and Richard Rich and producer Joe Hale were also fired from Disney in the wake of the film's release note ; Berman and Hale never worked in animation again, while Rich ended up having to start his own studio in order to continue his career, which never saw the heights it could've had.
    • It was very nearly the death of Disney itself. Thankfully, its spectacular and humiliating failure, as well as the growing amount of competition, convinced them to finally get their act together and make better movies.
    • Inverted with Jeffrey Katzenberg, who ended up becoming more influential within Disney as a result of this film's failure; he was able to utilize his "I told you this would flop" position on the movie over the older executives who had believed in it, painting their tastes as out of touch with what current moviegoers wanted to see.
  • Disowned Adaptation: The author of the original novels, Lloyd Alexander, didn't really consider the movie an adaptation. Surprisingly, he actually liked the film anyway.
  • Dueling Movies: With The Care Bears Movie, its polar opposite. It marked the first time that a Disney animated film had gone head-to-head with a non-Disney animated film at the North American box office and lost.
  • Executive Meddling: Where to start?
    • It jumps straight into a very-loose adaption of the second story of The Chronicles of Prydain. Which in of itself is a very, very dangerous move.
    • Contrary to popular belief, the infamous cuts made to the more violent and nightmarish scenes of death, decay, and destruction weren't made because Disney believed cartoons were for kids (far from it. Had the executives not intervened, this would have been Disney's first foray into more teen- and adult-based animation). The reason was because then studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg didn't know about Disney's plan to make an animated movie that had more adult content in it and forced the producer Joe Hale to cut the film by 12 minutes without being given a thorough explanation first. If the original had stayed, viewers would have seen this fully uncut upon its initial premiere.
      • Katzenberg originally only wanted ten minutes cut, but the filmmakers only cut six minutes, feeling any more would hurt the story. It turned out that he meant literally ten minutes and, when he discovered that they hadn't met his specific demands, proceeded to personally edit out even more than he originally requested until company chief Michael Eisner forced him to back off when word of this got to him.
  • Franchise Killer: Disney secured the rights to the entire Chronicles of Prydain, but the film flopped so hard, it killed off any future plans of continuing the series for 3 decades.
  • Genre Turning Point: The film was meant to be this for animated Disney movies in general, an attempt to darken and "modernize" the studios feature film output while also proving that Walt Disney's one-vision method of film making was still viable in the 1980s. And it was a turning point... just not in the way that the film makers had hoped; its massive box office failure not only led to a trend of lighter Disney animated films (which culminated with their "true" turning point in 1989, The Little Mermaid), but also ended (most of) Walt Disney's methods as solid company policy in favor of a more "Hollywood" style of movie making (stricter deadlines, tighter budgets, more committee meetings, more executive influence, attempts on franchise integration, etc.).
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: The Horned King has plenty of attention in Japan. This may have had to do with the extinct attraction in Tokyo Disneyland. Shall we begin?
    • Mickey Mouse on the Game Boy in 1989 has him as the final boss.
    • Mickey Mouse II on the same system two years later again has him as the final boss.
      • Both of these games replaced him with Witch Hazel when they were converted to the Bugs Bunny Crazy Castle games.
    • Mickey Mouse III: Dream Balloon in 1992 again puts him as the final boss, only to be replaced by Night Mayor when it was converted to Kid Klown in Night Mayor World.
    • Finally appeared without alterations in Land of Illusion on the Game Gear and Sega Master System in 1993, although this time colored from older concept art and given the name of "The Phantom." And this was the only time that he appeared in North America and Europe in a Japanese produced game.
  • Old Shame: Disney went to great lengths to disassociate themselves from the film. For example:
    • They opened a Black Cauldron-themed restaurant at Disney World ("Gurgi's Munchies and Crunchies") in anticipation of the film's release. Once it bombed, they closed the place down then later remodeled it into a Beauty and the Beast themed establishment (which is now replaced with a Robin Hood establishment).
    • Because this movie was both atypical and unpopular, Walt Disney Home Video didn't make it available to own in North America until 1998, as one of the last installments in the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection. Even later, The Black Cauldron would become the Canon's last traditionally-animated movie, aside from some 1940s package films, to receive a Blu-ray release.
    • Allegations about what Disney considered doing with the film in the 13 years of its reported shelving have circulated on the internet, but with very little evidence. One rumor (which as of May 2016, has not been proven) claims it was because of The Little Mermaid that it didn't come to home media sooner. Disney was all set to release it when the latter film became a smash hit and they were pressured to get it on video ASAP. Another allegation was that Disney planned to reissue it in theaters several years later under a new title, Taran and the Magic Cauldron. The only evidence for this are posters under multiple languages, as well as children's tie-ins (picture books and puzzles), all bearing this new title.
      • Overlaps with No Export for You: The Black Cauldron has never been released or dubbed in Hungary, Turkey, Israel, or Thailand (though that may also be for content reasons, as those countries do treat animated pieces like children's fare).
  • Stillborn Franchise: Disney actually had the rights to the entire book series. When the movie imploded, plans for any sequels and any more adaptations of the books by Hollywood were sunk for 30 years; Disney reobtained the rights and began plans to try the series again in 2016.
  • The Other Marty: Hayley Mills was originally cast in the role of Princess Eilonwy and hosted a behind-the-scenes special on Disney's Wonderful World in which she introduces herself as the voice of said character. Then, for reasons unknown, Mills was replaced.
  • What Could Have Been: The film was initially meant to be even darker, but many scenes were cut by Katzenberg before its release.
    • Concept art on the DVD shows that the ending of the film would have been closer to the books with the Horned King being destroyed by Gwydion.
    • Tim Burton drew up some concept art for the film, not a single piece of which was used.note 
    • The cuts were made to keep it from getting the R rating because the PG-13 rating hadn't been invented yet. Imagine if the cuts weren't made (some of the footage Katzenberg had cut actually made it to the film's trailer on early copies of the 1985 Walt Disney Classics VHS of Pinocchio; that tape would be the only way to see anything from this film until 1998).


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