History Trivia / TheBlackCauldron

23rd May '17 4:55:44 AM jormis29
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* TheOtherMarty: Hayley Mills was originally cast in the role of Princess Eilonwy and hosted a behind-the-scenes special on ''[[Series/WaltDisneyPresents Disney's Wonderful World]]'' in which she introduces herself as the voice of said character. Then, for reasons unknown, Mills was replaced.

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* TheOtherMarty: Hayley Mills Creator/HayleyMills was originally cast in the role of Princess Eilonwy and hosted a behind-the-scenes special on ''[[Series/WaltDisneyPresents Disney's Wonderful World]]'' in which she introduces herself as the voice of said character. Then, for reasons unknown, Mills was replaced.
21st Apr '17 5:18:02 AM WarriorSparrow
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** Luckily this has been ultimately averted, as Disney is now planning on [[http://variety.com/2016/film/news/chronicles-of-prydain-movie-disney-1201733058/ a live-action adaptation of the original books]]. It may bot be The Black Cauldron as a reboot, but it has the potential to be even better.

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** Luckily this has been ultimately averted, as Disney is now planning on [[http://variety.com/2016/film/news/chronicles-of-prydain-movie-disney-1201733058/ a live-action adaptation of the original books]]. It may bot not be The Black Cauldron as a reboot, itself, but it has the potential to be even better.
21st Apr '17 5:16:55 AM WarriorSparrow
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** Luckily this has been ultimately averted, as Disney is now planning on [[http://variety.com/2016/film/news/chronicles-of-prydain-movie-disney-1201733058/ a live-action adaptation of the original books]]. It may bot be The Black Cauldron as a reboot, but it has the potential to be even better.
22nd Feb '17 8:19:55 AM dsneybuf
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** The cuts were made to keep it from getting the R rating because the PG-13 rating hadn't been invented yet. Imagine if the cuts weren't made (some of the footage Katzenberg had cut actually made it to the film's trailer on early copies of the 1985 WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics VHS of ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}''; that tape would be the only way to see anything from this film until 1998).

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** The cuts were made to keep it from getting the R rating because the PG-13 rating hadn't been invented yet. Imagine if the cuts weren't made (some of the footage Katzenberg had cut actually made it to the film's trailer on early copies of the 1985 WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics VHS of ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}''; that tape would be the only way to see anything from this film until 1998).
''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'').
9th Feb '17 8:14:02 AM dsneybuf
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** Because this movie was both atypical and unpopular, the film was never released on home video until 1998, as one of the last installments in the WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyMasterpieceCollection.

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** Because this movie was both atypical and unpopular, the film was never released on home video until 1998, as one of the last installments in the WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyMasterpieceCollection.1998.
27th Jan '17 5:24:00 PM Mikeyfan93
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** Mickey Mouse III: Dream Balloon in 1992 again puts him as the final boss, only to be replaced by Night Mayor when it was converted to Kid Klown in Night Mayor World.

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** Mickey Mouse III: Dream Balloon in 1992 again puts him as the final boss, only to be replaced by Night Mayor when it was converted to Kid ''Kid Klown in Night Mayor World.World''.



** Because this movie was both atypical and unpopular, Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo didn't make it available to own in North America until 1998, as one of the last installments in the WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyMasterpieceCollection. Even later, ''The Black Cauldron'' would become the Canon's last traditionally-animated movie, aside from some 1940s package films, to receive a Blu-ray release. %%DO NOT list a Blu-Ray release date, even a rumored one, unless Disney actually confirms it!

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** Because this movie was both atypical and unpopular, Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo didn't make it available to own in North America the film was never released on home video until 1998, as one of the last installments in the WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyMasterpieceCollection. Even later, ''The Black Cauldron'' would become the Canon's last traditionally-animated movie, aside from some 1940s package films, to receive a Blu-ray release. %%DO NOT list a Blu-Ray release date, even a rumored one, unless Disney actually confirms it!WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyMasterpieceCollection.
22nd Jan '17 3:33:49 PM jameygamer
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* DuelingWorks: This movie, ''Film/{{Legend|1985}}'', and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'' all feature the same three main characters: a young man in green clothes with a magic sword, a beautiful blonde-haired princess, and a fearsome demon-king. All three came out within a year of each other, meaning that all three were in development at the same time, and couldn't have influenced each other's development. One can only imagine Nintendo's, Disney's, and Ridley Scott's (!) reactions when they discovered what the other two had done.
13th Jan '17 12:38:23 AM BURGINABC
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* DuelingMovies: With ''[[Franchise/CareBears The Care Bears Movie]]'', its polar opposite. It marked the first time that a Disney animated film had gone head-to-head with a non-Disney animated film at the North American box office and ''lost''.

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* DuelingMovies: With ''[[Franchise/CareBears The Care Bears Movie]]'', its polar opposite. It marked DuelingWorks: This movie, ''Film/{{Legend|1985}}'', and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'' all feature the first time that same three main characters: a Disney animated film had gone head-to-head young man in green clothes with a non-Disney animated film magic sword, a beautiful blonde-haired princess, and a fearsome demon-king. All three came out within a year of each other, meaning that all three were in development at the North American box office same time, and ''lost''.couldn't have influenced each other's development. One can only imagine Nintendo's, Disney's, and Ridley Scott's (!) reactions when they discovered what the other two had done.
* DuelingWorks: This movie, ''Film/{{Legend|1985}}'', and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'' all feature the same three main characters: a young man in green clothes with a magic sword, a beautiful blonde-haired princess, and a fearsome demon-king. All three came out within a year of each other, meaning that all three were in development at the same time, and couldn't have influenced each other's development. One can only imagine Nintendo's, Disney's, and Ridley Scott's (!) reactions when they discovered what the other two had done.
13th Dec '16 11:48:05 AM harveytwh
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** Allegations about what Disney considered doing with the film in the 13 years of its reported shelving have circulated on the internet, but with very little evidence. One rumor (which as of May 2016, has not been proven) claims it was because of ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' that it didn't come to home media sooner. Disney was all set to release it when the latter film became a smash hit and they were pressured to get it on video ASAP. Another allegation was that Disney planned to reissue it in theaters several years later under a new title, ''Taran and the Magic Cauldron''. The only evidence for this are posters under multiple languages, as well as children's tie-ins (picture books and puzzles), all bearing this new title.

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** Allegations about what Disney considered doing with the film in the 13 years of its reported shelving have circulated on the internet, but with very little evidence. One rumor (which as of May 2016, has not been proven) claims it was because of ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' that it didn't come to home media sooner. Disney was all set to release it when the latter film became a smash hit and they were pressured to get it on video ASAP. Another allegation was that Disney planned to reissue it in theaters several years later under a new title, ''Taran and the Magic Cauldron''. Cauldron'' (35mm prints with this title are in circulation even if a wide release didn't occur). The only other evidence for this are posters under multiple languages, as well as children's tie-ins (picture books and puzzles), all bearing this new title.
25th Nov '16 3:18:20 AM crazyrabbits
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* DisownedAdaptation: The author of the original novels, Creator/LloydAlexander, didn't really consider the movie an adaptation. Surprisingly, actually ''liked'' the film anyway (see Other Trivia below).

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* DisownedAdaptation: The author of the original novels, Creator/LloydAlexander, didn't really consider the movie an adaptation. Surprisingly, he actually ''liked'' the film anyway (see Other Trivia below).anyway.



!!Other Trivia
* The film is significant for the company in several ways:
** It is the very first movie to have the Walt Disney Pictures logo replace the Buena Vista logo; all movies from here on out will open with said logo.
** It is the first Disney animated feature to be rated PG in the USA for FamilyUnfriendlyViolence and [[NightmareFuel disturbing imagery]].
** The first to have closing credits since ''Disney/AliceInWonderland''.
** It is the first Disney animated feature to have ''absolutely no singing''; thus, there is one less element available to alleviate the movie's dark elements.
** It is the final Disney animated feature fully made and produced in the original animation building where Walt Disney had his office. The movie's production, along with Michael Eisner, Jeffrey Katzenberg and Frank Wells moving into offices in the animation building, renovating the building that replaced Walt's linoleum floors with Berber carpeting, and bringing along major Hollywood movie stars, resulted in Disney Animation being moved into a series of warehouses in Glendale, just north of where Katzenberg's Creator/DreamWorksAnimation would be built. They would remain in those warehouses until 1995, and the majority of the Renaissance films were made in Glendale.
* This movie is the reason that the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon exists. Prior to 1985 the Disney animated film lineup was more or less free-floating, with the 1940s package films sometimes being counted, the live action/animation hybrid films sometimes being counted, the documentaries with animated segments sometimes being counted, etc. This films release however was intended to be a landmark for Disney animation, and necessitated a label that was fitting for such an event; and so, shortly before ''Cauldron'''s release Disney finally set an official lineup for their animated movies in order to name this one their 25th feature (this led to ''Disney/{{Dumbo}}'' being retroactively added to the canon as entry #4 and got it repackaged under the Walt Disney Classics brand on home video, alongside ''Disney/AliceInWonderland'' the following year.).
* A common misconception is that ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'' was the first animated Disney movie to use CGI. Actually, it was this movie - the Bauble, boat, explosions, and cauldron itself were animated with CGI. However, because ''The Black Cauldron'' was such a failure, most fans and critical Disney historians [[FanonDiscontinuity purposely forget this vital piece of trivia]].
* Despite being a massive flop, it had gotten praise from probably the last person you'd expect - the writer of the original books, Creator/LloydAlexander. He stated: "First, I have to say, there is [[InNameOnly no resemblance]] between the movie and the book. Having said that, the movie in itself, purely as a movie, I found to be very enjoyable. I had fun watching it. What I would hope is that anyone who sees the movie would certainly enjoy it, but I'd also hope that they'd actually read the book."

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!!Other Trivia
* The film is significant for the company in several ways:
** It is the very first movie to have the Walt Disney Pictures logo replace the Buena Vista logo; all movies from here on out will open with said logo.
** It is the first Disney animated feature to be rated PG in the USA for FamilyUnfriendlyViolence and [[NightmareFuel disturbing imagery]].
** The first to have closing credits since ''Disney/AliceInWonderland''.
** It is the first Disney animated feature to have ''absolutely no singing''; thus, there is one less element available to alleviate the movie's dark elements.
** It is the final Disney animated feature fully made and produced in the original animation building where Walt Disney had his office. The movie's production, along with Michael Eisner, Jeffrey Katzenberg and Frank Wells moving into offices in the animation building, renovating the building that replaced Walt's linoleum floors with Berber carpeting, and bringing along major Hollywood movie stars, resulted in Disney Animation being moved into a series of warehouses in Glendale, just north of where Katzenberg's Creator/DreamWorksAnimation would be built. They would remain in those warehouses until 1995, and the majority of the Renaissance films were made in Glendale.
* This movie is the reason that the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon exists. Prior to 1985 the Disney animated film lineup was more or less free-floating, with the 1940s package films sometimes being counted, the live action/animation hybrid films sometimes being counted, the documentaries with animated segments sometimes being counted, etc. This films release however was intended to be a landmark for Disney animation, and necessitated a label that was fitting for such an event; and so, shortly before ''Cauldron'''s release Disney finally set an official lineup for their animated movies in order to name this one their 25th feature (this led to ''Disney/{{Dumbo}}'' being retroactively added to the canon as entry #4 and got it repackaged under the Walt Disney Classics brand on home video, alongside ''Disney/AliceInWonderland'' the following year.).
* A common misconception is that ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'' was the first animated Disney movie to use CGI. Actually, it was this movie - the Bauble, boat, explosions, and cauldron itself were animated with CGI. However, because ''The Black Cauldron'' was such a failure, most fans and critical Disney historians [[FanonDiscontinuity purposely forget this vital piece of trivia]].
* Despite being a massive flop, it had gotten praise from probably the last person you'd expect - the writer of the original books, Creator/LloydAlexander. He stated: "First, I have to say, there is [[InNameOnly no resemblance]] between the movie and the book. Having said that, the movie in itself, purely as a movie, I found to be very enjoyable. I had fun watching it. What I would hope is that anyone who sees the movie would certainly enjoy it, but I'd also hope that they'd actually read the book."
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