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  • The entire frickin' movie! Seriously, does anyone have any idea what the hell is going on in any of it?
    • Yes. Babydoll is hallucinating everything between the lobotomy scenes. She accidentally kills her sister (or did she?!) and is committed to an asylum and given a lobotomy, and hallucinates to escape from her situation.
  • Sweet Pea doesn't notice that as she's practicing the weird dance with the lobotomy, someone who is basically the character that she's playing walks into the room? I feel like I would probably be a bit weirded out by that.
    • I'm completely weirded out by that whole scene.
    • Well, it IS entirely in Babydoll's head, so it can really just be hand-waved away. The point of the scene was just to have a nice transition and also hint that Sweet Pea was the real protagonist.
    • In the universe Sweet Pea is practicing the dance, Babydoll is not the helpless patient who will suffer a lobotomy. She's a girl from a church orphanage, who will be sold to the High Roller. Sweet Pea can't possibly know about the "real" Babydoll.
  • Ms. Gorski didn't order the lobotomy, but somehow knows about the lobotomy. So who did she think approved it? It seemed like she was the only one who could sign off on that thing, but she never expresses worry that someone is being lobotomized after being there only five days. She comes in, was like "I'm sorry I couldn't help her.", and then is all, "Wait, I didn't say she could get lobotomized. Why didn't I stop this?"
    • More than one psychologist maybe? Could also be that Blue has that power, but didn't want to connect himself to that specific one.
    • Isn't there a line of dialogue where Blue mentions faking authorizations for something?
      • Yes. Right at the beginning, Blue mentions that he can fake the authorization for the lobotomy. It is kinda in the background, though.
      • That doesn't solve the problem. Gorski should have still noticed that the lobotomy was going ahead without her permission.
    • Possibly parents/guardians can request them too, so maybe she thought the Stepfather just signed Babydoll up for one.
    • Seems to me that if you are the only one able to permit lobotomies and you hate doing that, you'd pay attention to the fact that a girl is about to have a lobotomy under your watch, without your permission. If other people can authorize lobotomies, then why forge her name in the first place? Just put your own down and avoid the inevitable allegations of forgery.
      • Most likely parents could request the procedures be done. But the Stepfather wouldn't WANT his name on the request form, because that would be suspicious. So most likely what happened was: Blue told Gorski Babydoll was getting a lobotomy, Gorksi figured that since she didn't sign off on it it was what the Stepfather wanted, Blue forged Gorksi's signature to protect the Stepfather.
    • What the heck kind of mental hospital would have only one psychologist on staff? It's more than likely that there are multiple shrinks, each capable of ordering a lobotomy and Gorski assumed that one of them (perhaps even a superior, like the hospital administrator) had signed off on them. It was only when the doctor showed her the forged signature did she realize something was wrong.
      • There probably are a multiple psychologists, but Gorski is at the head of the department or is at least the senior psychologist on staff, and is the only one with the power to authorise a lobotomy. The other psychologists likely have to go through her, have her examine the patient before getting an OK on a lobotomy. This would probably be in place to prevent psychologists from getting sick of their patients and throwing around lobotomies left and right. Knowing Babydoll wasn't in need of one, knowing therefore that Gorski would immediately reject giving her a lobotomy, Blue forged her approval.
      • To add to the above, it's still possible that parents can request a lobotomy without the doctor's approval, and the stepfather doesn't his name on the form to avoid suspicion.
  • During the final escape, Sweet Pea and Baby Doll pass a security guard - wearing a pair of Apple headphones. In a movie that takes place in the 1950s. Wait, what?
    • They're transistor radio headphones. You can hear the guard tuning the radio and see that there's only one earpiece, unlike headphones in the modern day.
  • So did Blue actually execute Blondie and Amber, in front of a dozen witnesses? It's generally implied that most of the stuff in the brothel sequence (the fire, Blue getting stabbed, etc.) actually happened, but it stretches the limits of credibility that a hospital orderly could murder his patients without at the very least being put on some kind of administrative leave.
    • Perhaps they also received Blue's lobotomy treatment and are dead to the world?
      • It seems more likely he used the "weapon" of one of the other orderlies — say, a hypodermic needle? — to give them an overdose of an opiate or narcotic for "acting out". Given that we saw that the cook was missing his knife and that Blue got stabbed by Baby Doll, it seems plausible that Blue wanted any witnesses to earlier misbehavior (like the cook stabbing Rocket) out of the way. It would also go some way to explaining why the other orderlies under Blue were definitely uneasy about what Blue wanted to do to Baby Doll in the finale, after the lobotomy. Since all the main storyline is cloaked in Baby Doll's brothel-hallucination, though, there's no way to be sure.
    • Zack Snyder said that none of the girls actually die/get hurt in the asylum world. Most likely they really were just "crazy" and therefore couldn't survive in the real world, so in her head Babydoll imagined them being killed as a way to explain that to herself. She even tells Sweet Pea that Sweet Pea's the "only one who could have survived" outside of the asylum.)
  • All right. So, when Baby Doll asks for a way out, she meant for her. So why did the Wise Man give the way for Sweet Pea to get out?
    • Babydoll was always going to leave the brothel. If she hadn't planned to escape she would have ended up with the High Roller, and the additional scene shows that he is a nice and caring man, so Babydoll already had her way out/freedom. In the real world the lobotomy was going to free her from the trauma of losing her mother and killing her sister. Wiseman was giving her a way out for Sweet Pea who wasn't crazy and had a chance of a life outside the brothel/asylum.
  • The entire plot is built around the fact that Baby Doll's stepfather paid off Blue to have her lobotomized and she's trying to escape. She might be going through some emotional issues, but it seems she's not really crazy. She knows what's happening and she's lucid enough to organize an escape plan. So why doesn't she just tell Ms. Gorski in therapy that her Stepfather paid off Blue to forge the doctor's signature and have her lobotomized? Even if Gorski didn't believe her, she would still double check when the lobotomy specialist shows up. And even if we're to believe that Baby Doll was catatonic and/or unresponsive to the doctor's attempts to reach her, despite being lucid enough to organize an escape plan, there's still the fact that this doctor, who seems to care about her patients, didn't bother to double check the authorization papers to have one of those patient's brain butchered?
    • This is pretty much how it went in 1950s mental institutions, sadly.
    • Baby Doll might not have been crazy as she went in, but the perception shift to the brothel right after her stepfather dropped her off was probably her snapping under the grief. She saw everything through that filter, and since Madam Gorski was his dog, she couldn't rely on her for anything. Her relative lucidity does not have too much bearing on whether or not she is crazy. For example, in PTSD flashbacks, the sufferer is completely lucid and often high-functioning, but in a totally different situation.
    • Most likely no one would have believed Babydoll if she'd tried to expose the lies and forgery, since everyone believed she was crazy; they would have just brushed it off as her being delusional and whatnot. And there's no guarantee Gorski would have checked to make sure that the lobotomy was legally signed off on.
    • This troper's theory was that after being assaulted by her stepfather, Baby Doll snapped and became convinced that she was a victim in all scenarios. This explains the brothel reality, where Gorski (someone who could have helped Baby Doll in the real world) was visualized as helpless and the girls were forced to fight to save themselves. Because of this, Baby Doll couldn't get that there were people on her side, who would be powerful enough to help save her.
  • Isn't Sweet Pea just going to be arrested and sent back to the asylum once she "goes home"? She was involuntarily committed, which means she's either been found insane in a court of law and institutionalized by the state, or adjudicated mentally unsound and institutionalized by whoever has power of attorney over her. Either way she's a fugitive, the police are definitely going to be snooping around her family.
    • She said in the brothel hallucination that she ran away from home with Rocket. Assuming things said in the brothel panned over into real life, she's in there because she "refused to leave [Rocket]", which can be taken to mean that either their parents committed them both when Sweet Pea refused to leave Rocket, or, more logically, that their parents committed Rocket and Sweet Pea committed herself voluntarily because she wanted to make sure her sister was okay.
    • Playing off what Sweet Pea said to Rocket, Sweet Pea wasn't involuntarily committed. She committed herself voluntarily because she wanted to make sure her sister was okay. The asylum would try to keep her from leaving because they think that she's insane, but legally she can't be re-committed.
    • Rocket's talk about how she had "problems with her family while Sweet Pea didn't have any and left on her own account to take care of her (Rocket)" actually meant "I'm crazy coo coo ca choo, but Sweet Pea is only acting crazy to be with me,". This is further supported by Baby Doll's "you're the only one who could live outside here" line and the fact that Sweet Pea is the only one who acts like a sensible person to the whole plan.
    • Is it implied that their parents don't know where they are? If Sweet Pea has to take a long distance bus to get home then it's likely their parents didn't commit them. If we believe Rocket's story that she ran away, then that's probably how they got committed. No orphanages or place to put the insane teenage girl so she gets put in Lennox House by the local authorities - and Sweet Pea commits herself to look out for her sister. And Sweet Pea has sort of dodged the law now. The bus driver vouched for her. In the 60s it'd be pretty hard to track down one girl without internet and limited TV. And if Rocket was committed without her parents' consent then it's the asylum who's going to be in trouble with the law.
  • How the heck was the lobotomy Baby Doll's way out? What kind of a "freedom" is that? It nearly got her raped.
    • I Die Free (Mental Version): She lost her mother and killed her sister. Once she's lobotomized, not only Blue doesn't want to touch her sexually, but she also escapes from a world everyone she loves is dead, and from where guilt from killing her sister was consuming her. It's not a perfect happy ending. It's not like she didn't try and escape and to live out her life after all. I'd assume that once she got out she would overcome. But she simply didn't have that option. In the end, being brain dead (and so free of her painful life) was the closest thing to freedom she could get.
    • It's a good thing that anyone has the choice to deal with their pain however the hell they see fit.
      • The lobotomy means she doesn't have to deal with her pain or grief, so I consider it running.
      • "Reality is a prison. Your mind can set you free." Considering that everyone she loves is dead, her step-father is evil and the authorities are either corrupt or stupid, her freedom was that she choose to let herself get lobotomized (and get someone else who has a family out of that hellhole) instead of being forced into it. And since she didn't have any clue that Blue would be revealed and flip on her stepfather after the fact, she would be free from having to live under his thumb for the rest of her life (as far as she would know). So her active decision to let herself be caught got Sweet Pea free, and her decision to let herself be lobotomized (which she didn't really have much of a choice about, but she still went willingly) spited Blue, and, unknown to her, got her and the girls a full measure of revenge/justice on Blue and probably the rest of the staff.
    • Also, due to the brothel level, she was able to think of it as something she chose rather than something forced on her, so she went out a hero.
    • Just because you don't like your choices, doesn't mean you don't still have a choice. She could either be helpless, not trying to save herself or anyone else until she was forcibly lobotomized, or she could FIGHT for a chance for herself and others and end up making a "great sacrifice" in order to help someone escape.
    • It may also be a form of penance for her. She feels responsible for having killed her sister, so the lobotomy not only brings her peace but makes sure she pays for her crime.
  • Why the hell did the police let a person who was suspected of being violently delusional and of assaulting her stepfather and murdering her sister be sedated and then taken away by the aforementioned stepfather in his personal vehicle to be institutionalized without being questioned, and then didn't even seem to think of questioning said person for at least five days? Even for the fifties, that's kinda ridiculously negligent for the police.
    • Two theories. One: the step-father may be covering the whole thing up, not telling the police about the death of the younger sister until after the lobotomy. After which his version of the what happened can be whatever he wants it to be. This would have him drive Baby Doll to the Lennox House the same night... Two: Baby Doll was catatonic/in shock and couldn't/wouldn't answer. Which would have been made final with the lobotomy.
    • Three, Blue has been at this (abusing the girls and pimping them out to orderlies) a long time and he knows how to evade the police just long enough.
  • How did Baby Doll's stepfather get his hands on the will, which must be kept by a notary and opened with several witnesses present to confirm the fact (otherwise it's null and void). And, if he can pull enough strings to "secure" the testament, why not forge a "right" one, with himself as the sole heir? (I'll state outright that I am not intimately familiar with 50's US legal system.)
    • Neither am I, but I figured he probably stole the will and had no intention of using it properly, because he guessed he'd get nothing.
    • Dramatic narrative. It shows how much power he has — not only the girls, but their future. And him raging in the office was pretty dramatic.
    • Maybe the mother kept an attested copy issued by the notary at home, and the stepfather knew about it? That was how my brain handwaved it away the first time I watched the movie.
  • It just bugs me that Rocket tried to steal baker's chocolate. Without proper preparation, its pretty bitter, and she seems to have some experience working in the kitchen so she should probably be aware of this. I'd chalk it up to her being a mental patient, but they trusted her to work with knives and fire, so maybe she just liked bitter stuff?
    • The girl lived in a terrible world with no way out and no pleasantries. A simple chocolate is worth a lot in that kind of reality (also, bitter chocolate is of higher quality than sweet one).
    • The chocolate box very clearly says "Sweetened". I had to rewind several times to confirm, but it does.
  • How did the girls actually steal the various quest items? It seems like the movie world has three levels: the real world, in which Baby Doll and the other girls are stuck in Lennox House, a mental institution. Baby Doll's Dream World, in which the girls are stuck in Lennox House, a brothel/strip club. And then there's Super Dream World, in which the 5'1, 75-pound blond girl can destroy giant robot samurai. The Super Dream World is what's going on in Baby Doll's head when she's dancing in the Dream World. It's in the Dream World where the plot is hatched. Within the Dream World, the girls are able to steal all the things they need because everyone else is mesmerized by Baby Doll's dancing. But how do they steal the items in the Real World? Is Baby Doll just creating a mental institution type of distraction, which is represented in the Real World by the dancing, which is represented in Super Dream World by the dragon slaying?
    • It's a shitty, shitty mental hospital. I mean, what kind of mental hospital has a kitchen accessible by the patients, with all the knives and such that go with? They probably just swiped them.
      • It seems likely to me that the knife in the asylum world was actually a scalpel, not a kitchen knife, and she took it from the infirmary. Still pretty negligent of the staff, but more likely.
      • That doesn't really fly far, in the ending sequence it's specifically shown that the cook was missing a knife (the same one they got in the dream world).
      • It's possible, given that they're shown cleaning around the asylum, the asylum allows trustees to work near knives or other dangerous objects, much like prisons. Assuming they haven't shown themselves to be incredibly violent in the past, it's not unreasonable that they might have such privlidges. Plus Rocket mentions she was working in the kitchen when the cook assualted her.
      • That's probably the reason they couldn't easily steal a knife from the kitchen. The cook kept the only knives on his person so there weren't any more. He let the girls work in the kitchen but he kept the knives to himself.
    • I saw a theory presented that in the asylum world, Babydoll was actually seducing whoever it was she was "dancing" for in the brothel world. Babydoll's virginity is only an issue in the brothel world; it's not a big deal anywhere else. That's probably why her dances were so provocative and seemed to memorize anyone who was watching.
    • It is still quite possible that Baby Doll created diversions to attract attention, whether they be tantrums, seduction, etc. while the others still went about their missions. Even then, it would be tough for the patients to get by with these types of things unless they had free reign to go nearly anywhere they want without supervision.
  • I've seen the movie twice, and I still can't see how Baby Doll's bullet hit her sister. She was sitting on the floor, and Baby Doll shot at her stepfather who was standing. Then the bullet hits the light-bulb. What, did the shards of glass hit her sister? No way would that kill her. Maybe just leave a few scratches. Did the bullet ricochet off of the bulb or wall or something? I really can't see how it possibly would have killed her sister at all.
    • It's been a week, so maybe I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty sure that scene included a floor-to-ceiling pipe being punctured and releasing some kind of gas through a hole that had some chunks (i.e., shrapnel) missing. Also, the kid was pretty small, and who knows what the mother died of? Could be something genetic, left her with a weak constitution/body, and it was a combination of things that killed her. Physical damage from both the bullet & shrapnel, shock, a system already stressed from neglect induced by grief, whatever that possibly very hot gas was both being inhaled and spraying into the fresh wound...Hell, she could've just been unconscious and bleeding from a head wound, big sis overreacted and ran off, then the Stepfather suffocated her or something, and blamed Baby Doll.
      • From the fact that we can see what came out of the pipe, I'm guessing it was steam from the heating system. But yeah, from only seeing the movie, I'd thought that the step-father had accidentally/deliberately killed Baby Doll's sister just before Baby Doll managed to get there
      • Definitely the impression I got, and it made him look like even more of a monster for telling people Baby Doll killed her.
      • The stylistic, dialogue free opening does indeed indicate that the step-father killed the little girl before Baby Doll could get there. If that isn't the case, then it should have been IMPLICITLY STATED at some point that Baby Doll accidentally killed her, otherwise the WHOLE PREMISE bugs the hell out of me. The police show up, responding to gun fire, so they check out the house. Even if they were unanimously retarded, corrupt and blind, someone would notice that the girl had died from being beaten by either a small gorilla or a big freaking man, rather than death by gunshot. Even in the most bleak, phallocratic interpretation of an alternate 1950s, they would have taken one look at the little girl's body and then pointed at the evil looking guy with defense marks and bloody fists that stood to gain an inheritance from the girls and said "Yeah, its pretty obvious. Why the hell did you think this would work?"
      • Well, the doctor did state that she accidentally killed her sister right at the end of the movie. Whether or not that statement is reliable, however, is another matter altogether.
      • I always just assumed the bullet ricocheted off the pipe and hit her sister, given there was blood on the back of Babydoll's sister's head.
      • I thought it was implied that the Stepfather poisoned the mother. She didn't look old enough for the Stepfather to really expect her to die of natural causes anytime soon and he seemed to expect something from the will.
    • The Extended Edition shows that she fired two shots, one passing through her step father's arm.
    • I got the impression that her jugular was severed by the broken glass.
  • Admittedly I know nothing about lobotomies but surely they leave a mark? We see Babydoll's face and there is no mark at all that she just had a metal spike rammed into her brain next to her eye. For that matter, would they really perform a procedure like that, even in the fifties, with a conscious, un-anesthetized patient?
  • During the first fight with the giant robot samurai, why didn't Baby Doll use her gun until the very end? I know sword fights are cooler than gunfights, but seriously.
    • You sort of answered it yourself. Sword fights are cool.
    • Conservation of ammo? She had three freaking boss levels to take down!
    • She didn't just shoot the samurai. She had to distract him with her sword, and then jump to his head in order to shoot him accurately through the eye-holes in the helm.
  • Why would Babydoll imagine Ms. Gorski as submissive to Blue, even though he's a measly orderly and she's presented as a celebrated doctor. Should all of this show how little Babydoll thinks of the doctor?
    • It was probably meant to show how Blue was undermining Dr. Gorski in the asylum world. He was the one pulling all of the strings and doing things behind her back (and even says, "these are MY girls," implying that he thinks the place is his), so in the brothel world he was actually in control.
      • Also, try to think of it from Sweet Pea's perspective. She probably has plenty of reason to hate him, but very little power to do anything about it.
    • This troper got the impression that after being attacked by her stepfather and Blue, Baby Doll got a huge victim complex, becoming convinced that no one would help her but herself. To justify not simply asking Dr. Gorski for help, her victim/fighter fantasy imagined the doctor as being nice but in no position to protect her.
  • Lobotomy is a fairly hap-hazard process with multiple outcomes, but the movie suggests lobotomies result in a brain dead patient. Though I'm sure that occasionally happens, the consequences are extremely varied in real life. Some people end up disabled, some end up normal, ableit "less anxious", some even went on to write novels and function well in society. There was even one case of Howard Dully, who went much of his life unaware he had even been given one when he was 12. Was it just a plot contrivance in this case that Baby Doll would definitely end up brain dead and catatonic? What would happen if she was still perfectly functional afterwards, thus being unable to free herself from the nightmare?
    • In fiction, lobotomies are almost ALWAYS presented as a way of turning people into vegetables. So yes, it's just a plot contrivance. And even if the lobotomy hadn't turned Babydoll completely brain dead, there was still a high chance it would have messed her up enough to not make her a reliable witness against the Stepfather.
    • This lobotomy was executed with the intent of making her braindead, so she could never testify. Sure, under a doctor that actually wanted to perform a good lobotomy, she might have just lost small functionality and issues related to those. But this one explicitly was to silence her forever.
      • Yeah, this - depends on how deep it goes or much the pick gets wiggled about, from what I hear. Squick. It is quite possible for a lobotomy patient to remain mostly or partly functional, as shown by the case of Howard Dully, who did indeed live a normal life (unlucky name, though), but since it's not possible to see which parts of the brain you're jabbing from the outside, it's a bit hit-or-miss, and it would presumably be easier to intentionally render someone a vegetable than to intentionally avoid doing so.
    • Of course, it's entirely possible that she was like that not from the lobotomy, but was in shock.
      • Given that Baby Doll smiles and closes her eyes when the police ask her if she was alright, that's pretty likely.
  • Why the hell did Rocket hit the cook? I can understand the chocolate thing because when you're in a crappy situation like that who wouldn't want to sneak some chocolate, but when the cook catches her why did she think it was a good idea to slap him. Lady, he's twice your size and pissed and you have sticks for arms - did you really think you stood a chance?
    • Because it causes the cook to lose it, try to rape Rocket and the rape-rescue can then be used to further Babydoll's relationship with he other inmates. In other words Snyder likes rape, it's practically the only way he knows how to deal with characters who don't have a penis. (the less angry explanation would be, she panicked)
      • She's fighting back. Isn't that the whole point of this movie, to fight for yourself and loved ones with everything you've got, regardless of the situation? Assuming the girls really are being sexually abused by the staff in real life, he was going to attack her regardless. So, she preemptively fought to stop him.
      • The thing is, Rocket fighting back in that specific scene is really stupid. The cook is mad because he caught her stealing chocolate, and is going to confront her about that - there is no indication that the cook is going to assault her, let alone sexually. The fact you're supposed to assume that's what he's going to do is rather missagenist. So Rocket slapping the cook just comes out of no where and just used as a reason for the cook to attack her.
      • One, 'missagenist' is not a word. Two, the cook sexually assaults her. So no, assuming that he would make that choice is not unfair to him. Regardless of the action that set off the volatility of the scene, he is explicitly the kind of person who sexually assaults teenage girls, period. And finally, Rocket is repeatedly shown as struggling under, defying and willing to go to reckless heights to not feel the way she does in the brothel. Considering she risked death for a pipe dream, it's not only not implausible but actually establishing characterization and foreshadowing; she wants to keep the chocolate, to improve her situation just a little, and she hates the situation enough that she makes the split second choice that she can't accept it and buckle under. So she returns his aggressively grabbing her with physical forcefulness; if she'd managed to get him to back off, not only would she have her chocolate but she'd also have a more intangible victory, and potentially a more safe position in the kitchen.
      • misogynist
    • If one goes off of the theory that Rocket really was insane, that could explain it. It's possible that she suffers from something that causes her to not act rationally and/or be violent, which would explain her running away from home and why Sweet Pea is so concerned that she's making bad decisions. If that's the case, that would explain why Rocket would choose to hit someone who (A) is clearly able to physically overpower her and (B) obviously pissed at her already, when it would logically make more sense to just give back the chocolate and leave.
  • I might have missed this part of the movie in all the confusion, but when did the girls manage to grab the knife in the kitchen? Rocky was dead, Sweet Pea was incarcerated, so that leaves Baby Doll and Amber, but none of them were in the cook's proximity before Blue and his goons barged in. And the girls have clearly not collected the "Knife" bomb in the Super Dream World, either.
    • The knife landed in front of Amber feet. We have two shots of the floor near Amber: one with the knife in front of her and in the second (when Blue storms in the kitchen) the knife isn't there anymore.
  • Why would Babydoll dream about her and her only friends at the Asylum friends being sex slaves, with three of them ending up killed? It, as a metaphor, makes no sense.
    • It's pretty apparent that they are indeed being raped by Blue and perhaps other orderlies or "guests", thus making them sex slaves in reality. Their deaths, as speculated above, probably indicate that they were too damaged to function in the outside world.
    • In the reality, Babydoll is coming up with a plan to escape from the asylum. She realises that Sweet Pea doesn't belong there and it becomes a plan to get her out as well. The other three girls are mentally ill and they ask to come along as well. Babydoll humours them and lets them help but she has no intention of letting them escape. So in order for them to not be able to escape in the Brothel Fantasy (where there is nothing wrong with them) she has them killed off. And it isn't until the very end of her fantasy that she realises she can't leave the asylum either - and sacrifices herself to let Sweet Pea escape.
  • Three things about the knife:
    • What was it's purpose in Babydoll's plan? Did she count on Blue trying to rape her?
      • "In case of emergencies". In case they needed to cut something or kill someone.
    • Of all the lethal weapons in the kitchen, they HAD to steal the one on the Cook's person?
      • I checked. No more knives. Those two the cook had were it. In fact, they were presumably "it" specifically so inmates couldn't steal them.
    • Why didn't Babydoll kill Pimp!Blue with it?
      • She tried. She missed IRL, but may or may not have succeeded in the Brothel. It didn't matter, he was out of the story.
  • Forgive this foreign troper, but what does the expression/words "High Roller" mean? I get the character he's supposed to be both in the asylum and the brothel, but is the expression a reference to something?
    • Assuming by foreign you mean non-American, this American troper has never heard the expression before this movie. Maybe "Person who spends a lot of money"? But then, they call him THE High Roller...
    • "High Roller" tends to be used in the context of a Casino for someone rich that likes to gamble. In return they get preferential treatment such as complimentary meals or free tickets to shows.
    • Also has an implication on the way they spend their money. To compare, the term "holy roller" is sometimes used to refer to those rich preachers at one of those televised megachurches.
      • This. Basically, it means someone who is rather wealthy, and with little regard to how s/he speds his/her money.
  • When Baby Doll is going to do her dance for the chef, the girls knock over a pot of potatoes and water. There's a lot of focus on the water going down the drain...This troper found that odd. Why did they even knock it over anyway? It should have just made the chef mad(madder) and didn't serve any purpose.
    • They spilled the water in the first place because the plot needed them to. The shot of the water going down the drain was specifically to show the radio cord nearby. The radio's cord slips into the water, which causes the music to stop, which causes the cook to come out of his trance, which leads directly to Rocket's death.
      • It also helped get the chef's attention. He looks up at the noise, wondering if it was by accident.
  • (Moved from YMMV) Idiot Plot: The entire movie basically relies on the police not trying to question someone who is suspected of assault and murder before/after sedating her and letting one of her alleged victims and primary beneficiary drive her away and institutionalize her, or for at least five days afterwards, and for an apparently ethical lobotomist and therapist to not even think of verifying the paperwork on a lobotomy that the latter didn't think was necessary before performing the procedure. And this has apparently happened multiple times without anyone getting suspicious. Awesome to watch or not, the entire movie requires almost everyone in authority to be stupid or as corrupt as Blue.
    • They released Baby Doll into the custody of her guardian, who took her to Lennox House, where she started raising Cain. The specialist was only there to lobotomize, and wasn't familiar with BD. He just comes in when they ask him. You're assuming this wasn't the first time Blue forged the signature for a lobotomy. There's no real indication of that. All the "real world" Blue said was that the stepdad made him do it, and we saw them discussing it before. "I'm taking a really big risk here", implies it's unusual. Dad was expecting her to have her Sucker Punch spiked, so to speak, a lot sooner. ("I don't have a lobotomy surgeon on staff—" "What?") All Daddy has to do is stonewall the cops for a few days, and they might not have considered her story in the first place or taken it seriously. She did scratch and try to kill her stepfather, and she did shoot her sister. ("And we all know how crazy those girls get with grief, right fellas? She doesn't know what she's talking about. Too bad you found her after the hospital lobotomized her, right, fellas"?) Even the "dozen times" could refer to times he forged signatures for other things, or could be an outright lie. The entire point of the lobotomy is to prevent BD from being able to testify. He implicitly raped—and possibly killed—other "girls", but if there had been other lobotomized girls he raped, he wouldn't be so surprised at Baby Doll's reaction, and the other orderlies wouldn't have such a strong reaction.
  • When I hear the part about the forged lobotomy signature, Idiot Balls aside, I get a strange feeling that Baby Doll somehow forged the signature as her Heroic Sacrifice in the real world. I mean, why would Blue be surprised that she was lobotomized if he was the one who forged the signature? Besides, "Did you see how she looked at me? It's like she wanted me to do it."
    • No. Blue forged the signature. He wasn't surprised that it happened. The problem we have is that he forges Ms. Gorblowski's signature. This implies she is the only one who can order lobotomies, but there becomes a problem when she knows about the lobotomy but doesn't question who signed off on it.
      • It was speculated above that there were other doctors on staff, and that Dr. Gorski assumed that one of them ordered it. It still takes some suspension of disbelief (Gorski seemed very hopeful that Baby Doll might have recovered, so one would wonder why she didn't try to find out more details about why a lobotomy was immediately ordered), but it's a reason.
      • It has also been speculated that parents and guardians can request a lobotomy without the docotor's approval, but that it would be suspicous if the stepfather was involved.
    • Blue wasn't surprised that she got the lobotomy, he was upset at the lack of response when he tried to rape her. Presumably, it was the first time he tried something like that.
    • Or alternatively, he thought he wanted her vegetated and unable to resist, and didn't realize until he could actually have her that he preferred her with the "fight in her", with her personality intact. He probably had raped vegetated girls before, but he hadn't been nearly as attracted to them as he was to Baby Doll.
  • If the point of the film is that the girls are more than eye candy how come we learn next to nothing about Amber and Blondie’s character and backstory (especially Amber)?
    • Because the girls really are just eye candy and people try to defend it as True Art that's really very deep and not contrived at all.
    • Baby Doll does not know them and knows they are too damaged/unstable to escape the asylum so she doesn't give them a backstory. They offer to help with her plan so she includes them but she knows they won't be able to leave.
    • Also in action movies, does every male character get a detailed backstory? Why should every female character have to have one if they're not important to the overall narrative?
  • Why not steal the map last? That's what tips Blue off to them trying to escape. Stealing the lighter and the knife could be explained away, the girls could say they wanted to sell them but the map would be really hard to explain away so why not steal it last with less time for Blue to figure it out?
    • I think they stole the items in the order the old man provided. And the girls aren't exactly in the right state of mind to fully work out the intricacies of the plan. Might also have been based on opportunities.
  • If the mother bequeathed everything to her daughters and the stepfather is now their legal guardian, why does he fly into a rage if he would have full control of their finances until they came of age?
    • Baby is twenty- she's already of age and he wouldn't have any legal control over her or her possesions.
    • The father may be the legal guardian of her sister but Babydoll is of age and would inherit all the money and presumably the house too. He's mad because he's got nothing from his dead wife and his financial situation now depends on the kindness and generosity of his eldest stepdaughter.

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