History Headscratchers / SuckerPunch

7th Apr '16 4:56:13 AM Garf
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*** The form that her stepfather filled out said she was 20. It's possible that she's also underage, but they wouldn't accept children into an asylum.
23rd Mar '16 4:58:23 PM hollowcity
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** So basically High Roller made zero effort to save her and in fact took advantage of her (regardless of how you see what happened, he was in a position of power and could have delayed things but didn't and went through with the lobotomy regardless), there was no effort on anyone's part to stall the process, and Babydoll is turned into a vegetable (or possibly a sociopath, if you read about what happened to some lobotomy victims) that's ripe for future abuse.


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** Because Snyder doesn't know how to write.


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*** Even their narrative isn't very important, everything in the movie was impatiently trying to get back to the fantasy world and brothel scenes.


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*** Which makes things even weirder, because that means that he actually had no right or ability to send her to an asylum 'even' in the 1950s. She would have gone straight to jail, so why did they include her being 20?
14th Feb '16 7:58:20 PM fearlessnikki
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** As noted elsewhere, the lobotomy might not have turned her into a complete vegetable. She smiles after Blue is thrown out, so maybe she's still somewhat sentient. Or she might have viewed the lobotomy as a sacrifice for the greater good. In getting lobotomised, Gorski realised that Blue had forged her signature and was abusing the girls behind her back. So she was able to bust Blue, get him and the stepfather implicated and save the rest of the girls from his cruelty.
** The Extended Cut makes this plot point a little better. It's shown that when Babydoll meets the High Roller, he's actually a man who wants to love her rather than have her by force. As this is Babydoll's imagination, she writes herself a happy ending because she's finally forgiven herself for what happened. So Babydoll got lobotomised but she went into it having forgiven herself and also saving hundreds of other girls from Blue's abuse.


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** And Babydoll imagines them as whores in a brothel because that's pretty much what their lives are like. They're being abused by the orderlies anyway, so imagining that they're whores plotting to escape a brothel is their way of coping with it. Imagine your shitty life as an exciting and glamorous story. For example, in the brothel fantasy, Sweet Pea is now the star of the show. She's being abused by orderlies? Well she copes with it by imagining herself as the best whore in the brothel, and so good that all the clients want her.


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** She might not have meant to kill him - given that would be murder and there's no way to prove he was raping her (especially in the 60s). Stabbing him how she did incapacitated him long enough for her and Sweet Pea to get to safety.
21st Oct '15 2:49:58 PM fearlessnikki
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** I think the stepfather does flip out and at least Lampshade this when Blue says it'll take five days for the specialist to perform the lobotomy. Since we never find out what happens to the stepfather after this, it means he'll have to have ducked the authorities somehow. But since he'll get implicated by Blue at the end anyway (Blue can be heard yelling that the stepfather ordered him as he's taken away) it's likely their plan wouldn't have worked anyway.


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** So that means he tries to attack Babydoll because if ''she'' then dies, he now inherits everything. Or at least he will until her sister comes of age - but that's several years away.
5th Sep '15 1:44:05 PM fearlessnikki
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** RefugeInAudacity perhaps? The orderlies get distracted by whatever diversion Babydoll is creating and don't imagine that there are other patients running around stealing stuff. And if remember how the movie went, they ''didn't'' get away with it. Blue found out pretty soon. He knew they'd taken the map and lighter almost immediately after they got them.


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** And then Blue stormed in and ordered Amber to get ready for the show later. So that gives her time to hide the knife under the drawer, while Blue is busy talking to Babydoll.


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** And killing someone isn't as easy as you might think. Babydoll might not have had it in her to physically kill him.
17th May '15 2:37:47 AM Michael
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** An abusive father is hardly likely to give his victims much freedom to meet and talk to people. Babydoll has likely never got to know a strong woman or a good man. She had opportunities to escape her fate easily enough but they required her to believe someone might be one of those things. The idea that a woman might get angry with a man, shout "Take him away!" and other men would obey her without hesitation doesn't fit her experiences.
12th Aug '14 2:53:47 AM skyborgsin
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** Actually, what happens in the movie is a transorbital lobotomy: the orbitoclast (surgical chisel) is [[EyeScream driven through the thin eye socket bone behind the eye then, sliding between the eyelid and the eye itself, it penetrates in the brain and is moved around in order to sever the prefrontal brain matter]]. That is also hinted by the trickle of blood oozing from the corner of her eye. The other wiki has some very squicky [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy#Transorbital_lobotomy description for it]]
12th Apr '14 6:19:30 PM blueranger
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** Is it implied that their parents don't know where they are? If Sweet Pea has to take a long distance bus to get home then it's likely their parents didn't commit them. If we believe Rocket's story that she ran away, then that's probably how they got committed. No orphanages or place to put the insane teenage girl so she gets put in Lennox House by the local authorities - and Sweet Pea commits herself to look out for her sister. And Sweet Pea has sort of dodged the law now. The bus driver vouched for her. In the 60s it'd be pretty hard to track down one girl without internet and limited TV. And if Rocket was committed ''without'' her parents' consent then it's the asylum who's going to be in trouble with the law.
19th Jan '14 3:26:24 AM Typos
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** Or alternatively, he thought he wanted her vegetated and unable to respond, and didn't realize until he could actually have her that he preferred her with the "fight in her", with her personality intact. He probably had raped vegetated girls before, but he hadn't been nearly as attracted to them as he was to Baby Doll.

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** Or alternatively, he thought he wanted her vegetated and unable to respond, resist, and didn't realize until he could actually have her that he preferred her with the "fight in her", with her personality intact. He probably had raped vegetated girls before, but he hadn't been nearly as attracted to them as he was to Baby Doll.
19th Jan '14 3:25:37 AM Typos
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** Or alternatively, he thought he wanted her vegetated and unable to respond, and didn't realize until he could actually have her that he preferred her with the "fight in her", with her personality intact. He probably had raped vegetated girls before, but he hadn't been nearly as attracted to them as he was to Baby Doll.
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