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Headscratchers: Eureka
  • How the hell did Zane get all that stuff into his jail cell without actually opening the cell? If he could open it, he might as well have escaped.
    • It might have been just to prove a point to Carter that he can still out smart him, even from a jail cell.
    • Or he locked himself back in the cell just to mess with Carter.

  • What happened to the dry cleaning woman? Callie?
    • She and Carter didn't work out, so she became just another disappearing guest actor.
    • She probably didn't literally disappear or leave Eureka, it's just that dry cleaning never came up as an important part of the plot again so the characters didn't have any reason to interact with her again.

  • A science experiment mixed with some loose hydrogen makes a mini sun go supernova. Zane and Carter are standing directly beneath it to launch a rocket into it while the sun bakes Eureka at 100+ degrees. So WHY in the HELL is Carter wearing a dark shirt, a big belt, and PANTS with leather shoes!? HOW is he not dying (literally) from the heat!? (Of course, this is before they slather on the heat-resistant goo).
    • The colour of your clothes effecting body temperature has gone back and forth for years (one year says black is bad, another says black is good), belts don't really effect it, leather shoes won't effect it and pants really depend on the person. This troper never wears shorts, even during 35'C heat, and is perfectly fine. In fact, you could argue that pants would be better for that situation since it is protecting the legs from the excess heat.

  • Ok, in the episode where Zoey loses her voice ("God is in the Details"), she is forced to use pen and paper/an electronic pad to speak to people because of her paralyzed larynx. But you would think in a town full of geniuses that they would know that she can just whisper to people, even without the use of her vocal chords (and would have therefore told her to do that)? That is how I am currently dealing with my lost voice.
    • Yes, she can. But it's easier to simply write. That way, people can see what she writes from a normal speaking distance rather than leaning in to hear her every time.
    • It's also not good for the health of one's throat to try to whisper around a paralysed larynx.
    • Plus you get really sick of everyone going, "What?"

  • I probably missed something but in the first episode of season 2 Jack and Henry talk as if what's happening is a brand new timeline for both of them. So shouldn't that mean the problem from the season one finale isn't fixed (the timeline being different to the Henry knows, let alone Jack, means that the universe should still come apart).
    • The other timeline didn't happen. It essentially collapsed and disappeared when Jack stopped Henry from changing the past. It's a new timeline in that it's different from the old one... replacing, not branching.
      • That's missing the original problem- which was that by time travelling and saving Kim Henry had diverted them from the "true" unaltered timeline, and as a result reality was unravelling. When Carter goes back, they are still changing time and thus not in a "true" unaltered timeline. But since Henry forgot he hated Carter I guess it doesn't matter after all...?
      • He didn't forget, he got over it, which he'd simply never allowed himself to do in the previous timeline. As to why other small changes didn't cause a timeline collapse, it may be that deliberate alteration on a large scale such as saving a person who was going to die causes more dire effects than small naturally-occurring changes... or that the Artifact energy was causing it because IT killed Kim and didn't like its changes being undone... or any number of other things. Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey.

  • Eureka is supposed to be a secret town, so how come there was no problem for Jack's sister's babydaddy in getting there and being able to talk to Fargo about scientific stuff?
    • Eureka clearly has a fairly lenient visitation policy, since most of the really top secret stuff is safely hidden away in Global. Dr. Herbalgoo was probably eligible to go there anyway because he was, apparently, a minor genius in his own field, so they probably just made him sign the equivalent of an NDA and didn't give him very high security clearance. What's he going to tell the rest of the world about, weird bowling balls and Fargo turning green?
      • "Fairly lenient?" The first time we see Eureka, the town authorities fall head over heels hiding half a burnt-out trailer from Jack. Later throughout the series everyone and their grandma is coming through town and being surrounded by clones and robots and other unavailable technologies. On top of this Lexy and Jack's ex-wife and Dr Herbalgoo can saunter into town without anyone knowing?
      • Town Character Development?
      • More Early-Installment Weirdness. It seems at the start of the show that they were intending to make Eureka much more paranoid and closed-in than it wound up being, probably because it clashed with the "friendly small town (with superscience!)" image something awful.
      • It's pretty simple, actually. Jack was actively investigating something related to a top secret project. Lexy and other people arent.
      • All the major stuff is at Global. They mention a few times there aren't many roads leading in and visitors would likely be required to sign a nondisclosure at security posts and be informed they are entering an R&D research site. Its also possible the DOD monitor former visitors and if they have smuggled out or try to talk, the G-Men in the Pilot get involved. Given the General's attitude, he is definitely the sort of person who wouldn't be adversed to using that kind of force.
      • You could look at it another way. The're simply weren't any offical protocols for dealing with outsiders until after Jack and Zeoy moved in to town. Form what I can gather, the DOD had Jacks-ex, sister, and his sisters husband to be sign non disclosure agreements.
    • It could also be secret in the sense of people don't know it's true function rather than people don't know it exists at all. From this perspective, it'd be like Area 51. It's an open secret that it's responsible for testing military planes and all that, but the specific details are under wraps.
    • They probably investigate everyone who is close to a resident of the town. So all the visitors we see later in the series were precleared to visit. Jack and Zoe, however, took a wrong turn into town, so there was no chance to do any sort of background check before they started stumbling around.

  • I know Eureka is Hollywood Science run amok, but in the most recent episode ("Shower the People") they violated the fucking law of conservation of mass! Basically they had this scientist who made "synth-water", which was described as just reeeaaaly pure water (no ions or bacteria or anything!), with some special "isotopes" (do they know what that word means?) that allowed them to compress "enough water for a civilization" into regular-sized bottle (that you could just pick up and drink out of!). Too bad that when synth-water's isotopes are exposed to "radiation", and then to human plasma, more water spontaneously erupts. This water is first enough to fill an SUV, and then so much that it would take months to drain. But, where's all that matter coming from‽ The science has never been great on Eureka, but recently it has taken a nose-dive. The character drama, which I see as the real point of the show (besides product placement), isn't far behind. I guess the episode "Once in a Lifetime" was pretty self-descriptive. </rant>
    • I think the radiation was supposed to compress the water and it would eventually expand again into a lot of water if given room. This creates two new problems though: One, you'd expect the resulting water to be extremely heavy, enough that you couldn't fail to notice it, and two, the pressure in that bottle should be so high that you'd need Eureka's best scientists just to keep the thing from bursting and when you opened it it'd shoot out like it was a fire hose rather than being able to pour it.
      • Plus, MST 3 K mantra. It was fun, that's what matters. Is magically compressed mass (especially water, which has an entire field (hydraulics) based on its non compressiblity) any more implausible than miniature suns INSIDE the atmosphere? Or nanites already being in existence? TLDR; the science hasn't gone down, your expectations have gone up. Chill.
      • The problem isn't the magic compression, it's the utter disregard for conservation of mass! If somebody got enough water into him to fill up an SUV, he'd gain a few HUNDRED pounds, which he'd certainly noticed before he drowned(floors would break even if his bones didn't). So yes, the "science" has gotten much, much more egregious.
      • That's not in any way what the word "egregious" means.
      • Antigravity bottle? Conservation of mass doesn't mean conservation of weight, since the bottle could have magic science that makes it generate an upward force that makes it weight less. Also, a few hundred pounds is extremely... conservative, if you pardon the pun. That much water would weigh a lot more. A cubic meter is 1 megagram of mass, or roughly a 3x3 cube weighing in at 1700 pounds, and the airspace in that car could easily be a 7x5x5 volume, minus chairs and stuff.
      • Pym Particles, obviously.
    • Also in this episode, Dr. Manlius (or however you spell his name) in the episode Shower the People, claims that he uses Sim Water (perfect water - no impurities of any kind such as bacteria, minerals) has "superior" to it's alternatives. But as you can see here, it's the IMPURITIES in water that make it a conductor. Pure water is actually an insulator!!
      • I'm reasonably sure he was using it as a thermal conductor, not an electrical conductor. Much like one uses distilled water in a liquid cooled computer.
      • If he was drinking it, it's an even more serious nosedive. Ask someone who has tried drinking COMPLETELY pure water, i.e. distilled/deionized water. It is NOT HEALTHY, and will give you very serious stomach trouble if you drink as much as a glass of it.

  • Why on earth do the writers hate Henry?
    • I dunno, man. The guy is pretty much perfect and the most awesomely smart guy around who does EVERYTHING. If you didn't give him a horrific love life there'd be nothing to bring him down to earth/woobify him.
    • They have started being a little nicer to him lately though.

  • Why does Fargo still have unrestricted access to Section 5? I mean fine, maybe he's got some special talent we know about which makes him too valuable to sack, but you'd think that after the umpteenth time he nearly killed someone or nearly destroyed the town, whether by bumbling or by childishly motivated sabotage which slipped out of hand (like in You Don't Know Jack), the guy wouldn't be allowed in the building without somebody assigned to watch him.
    • Because Fargo based on my understanding of his role is GD's top handyman/coordinator for any and every project and is for all practical purposes Assistant GD in Chief guy and that the screw ups we see on screen are just the conservation of detail and thus in universe are the minority of his screwups with him being a considerable asset in any other circumstance, this explains his promotion in Founders Day.
      • Fargo became the head of GD in the alternate timeline mostly because his grandfather was never turned into a Human Popsicle and became a big shot with enough pull to get his grandson to the top.

  • Why is it that NO-ONE believes Jack every single damn time he says something weird and/or dangerous is going on? I mean, how many times has he been proven right, time and again?
    • I don't recall the earlier seasons, but nowadays Jack basically says "this weird thing happened to me," someone responds with "that's impossible," Jack says "we're in Eureka," and they look into it.

  • The episode What Goes Around Comes Around bugs me on several levels. Firstly, no matter how much iron supplement Fargo takes, it's not nearly enough to shift him, let alone glue him to the ceiling "like a human magnet". Secondly, you mean to tell me that, in a room full of people AT A DIVING MEET, only ONE of them happens to glance down at a suddenly furiously-bubbling pool?
    • Explanation for Fargo: Rule of Funny. You've got me on the pool though.
      • How often do you look at the pool and not the diver?

  • In the season 4 premiere, the characters come back from 1947 to a slightly changed timeline. Among the changes are that Kevin is no longer autistic, and Henry is randomly hooked up with Grace. Given that he used to be with Tamilyn Tomita's Kim Anderson, doesn't this raise Unfortunate Implications?
    • Not really, it just means that this time he got over Kim and married someone afterwards, which is likely if he never travelled back in time.
    • Or since this is an alternative timeline, it is entirely possible that he never met Kim. Or he did meet her, but didn't have romantic feelings for her.

  • I seem to be missing something here. Sometime between "What Goes Around Comes Around" and "Founder's Day" Tess broke up with Jack via hologram. It's shown in the Previously On and obliquely referred to in the episode proper. I would like to know when this happened, since they act as though it was part of a previous episode, which it wasn't. Can someone help me out here?
    • I had that problem to when it had that on the Previously On section when I'm guessing thy just needed to pretend that happened before the events of the episode to make it part of the big "suprise changes" of their current timeline. So like Alison with Kevin being more of a normal kid, Jack has a reason to keep the timeline as it is.
    • I recall seeing it in the finale of the previous season.
      • I recall that they discussed Jack can visit her in Australia and the episode ending with him looking at a plane ticket just as he gets a phone call from alison.
    • Webisode.
    • No it's explained on the Season 4.0 DVD. In the commentary, the writers say that they almost had enough material to make it a Supersized episode. In fact, the extended episode is available on the DVD. They had to cut some things out, including the breakup scene. However, that scene was so crucial to the surprise at the end, that they snuck a clip of it into the Previously On section. The writers admit that it's a "trick."

  • Where are the versions of Carter & co. from the new reality? The "original" gang arrived in the clothes they got in 1947, so it wasn't Mental Time Travel. There's not any real reason why the other versions of themselves would just cease to exist.
    • The group implicitly traveled back in time in both realities, but the triggering event came from the first reality. The group from the new reality no longer exists because they weren't the ones that came back.
    • Imagine if they'd switched places, perhaps if the gang from timeline 2 inadvertently prevented Grant (a largely forgotten Eureka founder who'd mysteriously disappeared) from traveling to the future. Carter returns to find Tess has left him for a job in Australia. Henry's loving wife is little more than a stranger. Jerk Fargo is the town butt monkey, though perhaps with improved relationship prospects. Allison finds her gregarious son is now autistic, making her newfound position as head of GD all the more stressful. Not only has Jo been busted back down to deputy, she's also in an awkward relationship with the local hooligan. Being erased from time might not seem so bad to them.
    • Finally answered in "I'll Be Seeing You". They replaced their present-day selves.

  • The way they handled Jack/Tess at the start of season 4 Just Bugs Me. As well as the 'previously on' break-up that never happened, Jack starts going on about how he spent the last year realising their relationship didn't work... Which didn't happen at all, it was fine - he was even considering going to visit her in Australia at the end of season 3. The writers just invented all these problems just for the sake of these few episodes.

  • Not exactly about the show but more the network. With how Warehouse 13 isn't shown in the UK on SyFy and there is no news of when season 2 will start over here, us UK viewers will get the "second part" of the cross-over between the two shows before the first. Admittedly they are mostly seperate episodes, but Claudia knowing Fargo will leave viewers confused and seemingly come out of nowhere. It could be a couple of months or longer before the relevant episode of Warehouse 13 is shown over here.
    • It gets explained very quickly how and why they know each other. Seeing the Warehouse 13 episode is not necessary to enjoying the Eureka one at all. The writer's clearly did not assume that everyone watching would have seen the other one.

  • All minor quibbles (such as Zane's lack of presence) aside, the season 1 finale episode "Once in a Lifetime" had a pretty jarring problem that bothers me. Note that this is more a case of Fridge Logic, but it really does just bug me. Okay, so we see Kim and Stark cutting into the artifact, cut to four years in the future. That's fine. This future is an alternate reality future that shouldn't have happened — they explain that Henry went back in time to save Kim. That's fine, too. However, there are two possibilities for this occurring — the first is that, before the timeline split, Henry knew that Kim would have died, and thus went to save her. This possibility is discredited in the story as Henry having actively consciousness-travelled back (as well as the fact that it wouldn't have made the alt timeline in the first place). The second possibility is that the timeline went forward and Kim died, then at some point in that timeline, Henry went back and saved Kim, which is what they said happened. But that was in the original timeline, not the new one. It's specifically stated that the reason in this timeline that Henry lobbied for the head of Global Dynamics is so that he could gain access to both the artifact fragment and Walter's tachyon accelerator to go back and save Kim. So basically what happened was that he experienced the original timeline, couldn't live without Kim, got Nathan's job to save Kim, then actually saved Kim, then experienced the alternate timeline, during which he got Nathan's job to... go back and save Kim again? What?
    • I lost you about halfway through that. What happened is this. First timeline, Henry learns Kim dies, and gets himself appointed to head of GD to obtain the means to correct it. He does so. New timeline, he averts the experiment and everything is all good up until time breaks down. Jack is sent back in time. Jack arrives in the past in a moment after first-timeline Henry has sent himself back and stopped him. The point of divergence is Kim's death. First-timeline Henry went back to stop it, and second-timeline Jack stopped first-timeline Henry.
    • You're asking why, even though he became head of GD, went back, and saved Kim, he then became the head again, even though Kim was alive? Well, maybe he just wanted to make Nathan suffer.
    • Or...maybe during the original timeline he decided he liked being the head of GD and chose to pursue the job again in the alternate timeline.
    • Or to prevent Nathan from pulling the same thing again with just a different person. He decided Nathan wasn't responsible enough to handle the job.

  • And while I'm on the subject, in the season 2 premier, "Phoenix Rising", Jack says that he could use his knowledge of the future to predict the events in this reality. Then somebody in the background bursts into flames, cuing the comment "That's new." During the episode, they deduce that the reason that this didn't happen in the alternate future is because of something that Henry changed, which is fine — but Henry, who at the very least went back in time to prevent this very timeline from happening, should have remembered that people suddenly burst into flames, yet he doesn't seem to remember any of this happening.
    • First-timeline Henry probably should have known, but it's possible that the burst didn't happen in the same manner. You could always Fan Wank it that first-timeline Henry travelled back far enough that he threw events all out of whack, causing the artifact to react ever so slightly differently, or changing things so the exploding people weren't in the line of fire.

  • I find it odd no-one has mentioned the Unfortunate Implications of the New Kevin in Season 4's timeline. Its a bit jarring to see the previously likeable character of Allison act rather callously. She gushes over him and considered destroying the machine to stop them changing things back. This autistic troper finds it horrific that Set Right What Once Went Wrong is what they're trying to go for, but a supposedly loving mother doesn't care her old son has been erased now she has a shinier new model. Broken Aesop much, anyone?
    • Only if you think most parents wouldn't wish for a child who's an at-BEST moderate-functioning austistic could be made mentally healthy and think of that as a good thing if it miraculously happened (never mind how parents of a child who's severely autistic and unable to communicate would feel.) Hate to tell you but they don't call it a 'disorder' because it's a good thing to have.
    • Disorder or not, treating your former child like he was broken is not a good mentality to have.
      • I did feel some kind of weird vibe from New Kevin but thought about how well they could have written/the actor acted autistic. People faking disorders on TV shows has been a hit and miss venture.
      • One could suppose that she was in a pretty difficult situation. After all, regardless of outcome, you're asking her to leave behind her son in one timeline or another - trying to rationalize that someone that looks like your son and treats you like a mother is 'not your son' requires a level of cold heartedness and objectivity beyond any parent. Considering the amount of randomness involved and the general Eureka science unpredictability, using the machine additional times might very well create a situation where he's not born or dead. There was no guarantee that they would get back to their original time line so she's already 'lost' one son and daughter.
    • Wow, there are so many weird conclusions being drawn in this thread. Allison acting callously? How so? She had a son with a pronounced case of autism, and her son has now been essentially cured of that disorder, and she's happy about it. What exactly is callous about that? Why is it callous to be happy that your son is normal? Yeah, her old son has basically been erased and replaced, but the same could be said of ALL the characters who traveled back to 1947. The new Zoey may be similar to the old Zoey, but she's not the same girl Sheriff Carter conceived and raised. But I don't see you calling him callous. And "treating your former child like he was broken"? What does that even mean? The kid had a disorder. And not a very moderate disorder, if his performance in the early seasons are anything to go by. Allison wasn't treating her son like he was "broken", she was treating him like he was disabled, which he was.
      • Agreed. What if Kevin had been born, say, paralyzed? Would it be wrong to want to stay with the Kevin that could walk? Plus, wasn't there hints that his autism was not natural, but something to do with being born near the artifact, and therefore something that was done TO him?

  • I still can't quite get what Grant was so upset about over the EMP weapon. It's essentially a non-leathal superweapon (unless you're unlucky enough to be on electronically-run life support with no means of backup when it shuts everything down). A LOT fewer people would die from its use than would from even a basic A-bomb. While it's pretty clear Beverly and the cabal she works for have some sort of ulterior game going on, why on earth does Grant, an alleged genius, get a massive Idiot Ball superglued to his hand?
    • While only those people would die instantly, you've killed an entire nation, any chilled/frozen food is without cooling and spoils and all motor vehicles of modern vintage are dead and can't move food around meaning tons of people die of starvation (not that he knows any of this). Now why nobody explains to him "With all these "bigger and bigger bombs" around, everyone is too afraid to start shooting pieces of lead into each other and we live in peace.".
    • Yeah, and a plane falling from the sky won't hurt no one either.
      • All of which would happen in the EMP range of a nuclear bomb. Which would also melt people and poison the land, etc. So why is this such a horrible alternative?
      • Not to mention the fact that the things that have been disabled now, can still be repaired with new parts shipped in from elsewhere. Far from killing an entire nation.
      • How do you ship things when your gas pumps don't work? How do you land planes and dock massive cargo ships when you can't communicate? Nothing's stopping them from repairing it... what's stopping them is the logistics aspect. EMPs wipe out anything with electrical current. The modern world runs on that pretty significantly - manufacturing much less operations. You're not just disabling and destroying devices - you're doing so on a massive scale. To put it in perspective, a single properly detonated nuclear device can completely disable the entirety of North America. To be able to do so 'on the cheap' means that any one with such a device can hold the world hostage. If nothing else even if only thousands die, the fact that someone would be able to duplicate the effects of a nuke for an exponentially lesser amount and do so without any of the long term effects of a nuke would be concern enough.
      • The fact that you think it isn't a big deal is also a big part of the problem. We KNOW how horrible and devastating nuclear weapons are, which is why they haven't been used again. A "simple EMP" seems humane enough that the threshold for using it in a war would be far lower.
      • An EMP detonation taking out the Eastern Seaboard is of dubious validity at best. As well, many pieces of machinery, especially vital military and government ones, include EMP hardening that makes them resistant to the pulse. And like all other forms of energy, the pulse would lose strength as it travels and disperses. Yes, it would be bad. But it would not be anywhere near as horrific as you are describing.
      • The device looks about the same size as the Goldeneye EMP Sat, so it could probably take out every satellite tv dish in a 4 block radius and wipe out all the cell phones, past that, not gonna do much. If they focused the beam in tight maybe it could be used to snipe nukes before they could launch, but now way it can take out anything bigger than 8x8 blocks.
      • Except in the episode when the EMP device is building up energy Henry tells Gen. Mansfield not to bother moving it because "it doesn't matter where you take it". Based on that we can assume that the full blast radius of the weapon would be much larger than just 8x8 blocks.

  • Why did Zoe and Carter see their doubles pass them in the pilot? That was never explained.
    • It wasn't explained because it wasn't that important. Think about it, what better way to establish in the very first episode, that Eureka is a wondrous place where anything can happen than to have something like that happen (which would have been the central focus of an entire episode in the X-Files), then simply abandon it as though it got resolved in between episodes because that sort of thing happens all the time, here.
      • Or maybe, just maybe, for the series finale the Carters are going to drive out of Eureka for some reason (moving to Area 51 because of a promotion? Roadtrip?) and Zoey says "Hey, I just saw us pass by". If they did that, I couldn't imagine a better example of Book Ends in any other show, except maybe Frasier.
      • Confirmed. The last scene of the finale has Jack driving Zoe back to the airport so she can go back to Harvard for graduation, it's pouring down rain, and, lo and behold, Jack and Zoe from 5 years in the past obliviously drive by in the opposite direction, much to Zoe's suprise and Jack's confusion/amusement. Possibly caused by lingering side-effects of the wormhole issue plaguing the town throughout the episode?

  • When the town was shrinking in the Christmas episode, why was the edge of town still right next to the sign just outside? Given how much they shrunk, shouldn't it have receded back farther?
    • It did, actually. Based on the apparent perspective in that scene, I would say they were the equivalent of a few miles away from the sign.

  • Who exactly does Carter work for? If he was an actual Sheriff, he'd most likely be an elected official. Nearly every one I've ever seen IRL is. But at first, it appeared that he was appointed directly by the DOD (his predecessor and Jo seem to have been), suggesting that the job was a front and he was put there to watch over GD. But in Season 3, the new head of GD shows up and starts threatening him with statistics about the disasters in Eureka as if she could fire him. FWIW, I've sort of jumped around the series a bit and I can't recall ever seeing someone who was the "head of GD security" before Jo got the job in Founder's Day, so I assumed that was Carter's actual job. But GD stonewalls him half the time and orders him around the other half. I'm very confused.
    • I believe it was confirmed he's appointed by the Do D. The second head of GD could show evidence to have him fired, which they have shown requires the OK of the mayor of Eureka to be official. As to Jo becoming head of GD security, it's an assumed position. We've seen GD security before and must assume someone runs that department.
      • But why wouldn't we have seen this character at any point in the first 3 seasons? What the heck do they do all day? Carter is out doing their job half the time!
      • Carter's out doing Allison's job half the time too. It may be that the previous Head of Security for GD just preferred to work from behind the scenes and was more of an administrator than Jo. People can have different management styles and still be effective enough to keep their jobs. Think of Jo as being Kirk and whoever had it previously as being Picard; one goes on missions, the other stays back and directs things.
    • Personally I like to think that it was that Stark and Allison were either incompetent heads of GD and never got around to replacing their head of security, or that the people hired to do that job kept dying so often we never saw them.

  • Taggert's accent. I'm not even Australian and I'm offended by how bad it is. Is it so hard for SyFy to find an actual Australian actor? Or do they prefer their Australian actors to play American characters with equally bad accents?
    • One would think they'd have no trouble at all finding Australian actors. Paul Goddard would've been an even better "insane Australian genius guy" character than Matt Frewer, though Scape fans would probably need a minute to realize which Stark was being referenced when the name was spoken. Whether those actors want anything to do with "SyFy" after the network dropped so much of its actual science-fiction content (to say nothing of its cancellation of their show), though, is another story.
      • I honestly don't know what you people are talking about, I like his accent.

  • Why are Eureka and Warehouse 13 in the same universe? There's very little scientific evidence behind all the stuff in Warehouse 13 (like ghosts and sentient dodgeballs), while Eureka is all about "science gone amok". Seems like they just wanted a crossover episode between two unrelated shows.
    • I for one enjoyed the crossover, although I did feel apprehensive about how different they were. Frankly, with the way Eureka works, the technobabble handwaves they gave the Artifacts in Warehouse13 and the Artifact of Eureka kind of supports my Suspension of Disbelief.
    • Warehouse 13 crossed over with Alphas, so there's that too...
      • I'd say it's all the Artifact's fault! In the original timeline, it's energies ended up in people. Now in the new timeline they've ended up in objects! Maybe even going back in time! Heck why not, it's Eureka possible!
    • Heck, since the crossover put them in the same universe, the real question should be if Jo and Artie are aware of their two dopplegangers, with one being a criminal and the other who was possessed by the artefact and then died?

  • The tension between Alison and Carter during "Liftoff." Are the writers setting up a conflict to come later in the season? And what are they trying to say? That two strong-willed people can't be in a romantic relationship and still work together? That Carter can't respect the authority of someone he's sleeping with? That Alison will revert to bossing Carter around like an employee once she gets in a position of power? That there is perhaps no place for True Love in Eureka?
    • Or just that it's a potential problem that they had to work through. It's not as if it causes them to break up - they agree that it's a potential issue that they have to be aware of.
    • Or that True Love in Eureka is always DOOMED! DOOOOOMED!!!!!
    • Made worse - apparently such relationship must be approved but the same man can revise the case after appeal as his own supervisor (well - handwaved as he was specially trained)...

  • They have working FTL! Why has this not been announced at large?!
    • Because they need to make sure it's viable for long distance travel, namely Titan, and it would be rather hard to let the cat out of the bag without revealing the rest of Eureka. They've apparently kept multiple missions to Mars secret, so this is pretty much the same situation.
      • How about "They put a probe on Titan!"? How many people would that pull out of their post-shuttle-program/no-more-Mars depression. You're telling me that people who can hide a whole town can't come up with a good enough story to go public? Even if it did blow up.
      • They'll probably reveal it later and just fudge the dates, like they said they did with the moon landing. Everyone in their universe will see the Titan landing and whatnot, but not know they're actually watching reruns.
    • Also, issues with safety. After all, it just took a bit of bat guano to send Andy to Titan. And a perfectly working attempt to send something to him only has a 'chance' to work.

  • Why would Parrish even be considered for the mission to Titan? His utter self-centeredness and spectacular arrogance would be a danger to any mission.
    • That's probably why he was ultimately denied. He's qualified to get into the running, but shot down in the finals.
      • Also - why send Squishy Wizard scientists on Titan instead of people who have been trained to handle stressful environments (like military airplane pilots as in current space missions).
      • They tested physical ability before they tested mental capability. It's just that more squishy wizards (of the main characters) applied and got through both the physical, mental, and preliminary stress tests than people with less intelligence and more physical strength and stamina. Remember, it's Eureka: Home of the Year-Round Squishy Wizard Convention, and people who don't work for or have high-security-class contracts with Global Dynamics (a Eureka-based company, to simplify) don't get to go on the Astraeus mission.
    • While it would be a danger, it may not always show up in interviews and what have you. Some people can seem perfectly likeable and good natured (or things dismissed and excused)... until you actually have to interact with them in a work environment at which point hidden aspects may emerge or those dismissable traits suddenly because highly disruptive.
    • Also remember that current astronauts, while military pilots or what not, are also scientists. So they're both smart and physically fit (and we did see them do physical fitness in various episodes).
    • Most of the scientists at GD are huge prima-donas. If Parrish had been denied the right to even apply for the mission due to his obvious narcissistic tendencies and inability to work well with others he probably would have raised a huge stink and threatened to quit GD or something. Most of the scientists at GD probably had no chance at all of getting on the mission, but they all got a shot anyway just to soothe their egos.

  • Why does Eureka allow the local scientists to work on wide-range, area effect projects? In the worst case scenario, the overlapping projects can interact with each other, screwing up the results and causing horrible, horrible side effects. In the best case scenario that doesn't involve the projects simply not interacting, a positive or null effect occurs that results in good or nonexistent results and incomplete data. Projects inside the main Global Dynamics building tend to interact with each other, but those are localized projects that aren't supposed to be encroaching on each others' space anyway. Why does Global apparently not regulate the sprawled-out projects to reduce the risk of interference, or have a standing punishment for scientists who run independent projects that affect wide ranges of the town's civil region?
    • Progress entails risk, and there are any number of seemingly harmless experiments which could interact badly. They can't account for them all.
      • For clarification: they don't even seem to be regulated, in most cases. Many of the area effect projects could be done elsewhere, either in the region if they want to keep things local or in an area chosen specifically for testing the project if they want to focus on the secrecy of the town itself, if only Global Dynamics and the town of Eureka had some sort of requirement that local scientists submit the details of their experiments to the research company that sponsors the town before the experiments progress beyond a theoretical level.
      • They do submit the details. However there are anywhere from several hundred to several thousand experiments going on at any given time and no one person could possibly hope to oversee them all or predict how they could all theoretically come into contact and interact due to the millions of random factors that happen every day. Your complaint boils down to "Why aren't the people in charge both prescient and omniscient? That's just basic safety!"
      • The fact that Eureka residents are even allowed to perform major experiments outside of Global Dynamics is a rather obvious safety issue. One would think that after the first time the entire town and/or the world was nearly destroyed because a Quantum-Whatsit machine interacted unexpectedly with another scientist's Psycho-Fraculator experiment or whatever they would have banned any kind of large-scale experiments outside of a secure lab. In fact one would think the scientists themselves would be the first to demand such a policy. Otherwise they can never trust their own results. Did their experiment succeed/fail on its own, or was another experiment interacting with theirs at the time?

  • Why are they even bothering to build a spaceship if they can just teleport people directly to Titan? They did that with the robot (even though it exploded afterwards).
    • It seems to be doubling as a habitat, or at least laboratory space. The ship is certainly larger from the outside than the few interior shots we've seen would indicate.
      • In that case, why attach conventional engines, if they're not going to be used? They could just teleport a building.
      • So that they don't have to stay stationary once they get there. The landing site could suffer some catastrophe such as a quake or storm or whatever sort of crap happens on Titan, or they might simply want to move to a different area to conduct other tests, and it's much easier to have a big flying spaceship lift off and fly over than try to recalibrate the FTL drive to move a building somewhere else on the planet. Plus it serves as a test run for the ship itself; sending it to further-away places to investigate things like nebulas and whatnot would still require it to move conventionally over relatively short distances.
    • Also, in case of emergency, the ship can be used for... well, shipping them back home via the long slow route. It's their backup transportation. It also allows for the situation where they want to bring back samples and such - the ship allows them to do that since they can't necessarily FTL jump things back.

  • You know one thing has always bugged me about Eve Thorn, or whatever her name is. She kept living in the past and feeling awful about the deaths of men she could not save. And yet nobody calls her on the deaths she inadvertently caused as soon as she came to town! including Stark! Even she didn't seem to care! What the hell woman!
    • I didn't like her either, but how was she responsible for any deaths? She had absolutely nothing to do with Stark's death, it was completely and utterly unconnected to her. Carter was the only one who thought she had anything to do with it and that was just a standard Eureka Red Herring that he gave up on almost immediately for the secondary red herring of the atomic clock. Besides, everyone in Eureka is responsible for someone dying at some point, it's basically one of the hazards of working there.

  • I'm rewatching the episode where Fargo's grandpa gets unfrozen and something smacked me in the mind. How can Douglas Fargo ("our" Fargo, for lack of a better term) be Pierre Fargo's grandson? Pierre was about to propose to his girlfriend, but he got frozen. 8 Months later, this girlfriend has a son and gives him the last name Fargo. One could argue that the kid was his, and the timeline works well for that. But, when Carter confronts Pierre about running from impending fatherhood, Pierre gets all My Girl Is Not a Slut, suggesting that Pierre and his girlfriend never had sex. If that's so, why are Douglas and his father Fargos? Shouldn't they be whatever her last name was?
    • It's likely that he just didn't know she was pregnant at the time, though it's been a while and I'd need to rewatch it for details. Values Dissonance also plays a factor here. Carter's forward attitude might not fit with Pierre's sensibilities.
    • What the above said, Pierre and his girlfriend could have been having sex, but back in the day you didn't necessarily admit to that. Also women can pretty much put down whatever name they want as a child's father and give the kid his name... it then becomes the father's responsibility to prove he's not (if he wants to).

  • So is Sen. Wen dead or was it just a stylized fade to black?
    • I'm thinking Fate Worse Than Death for as long as Beverly decides to keep the IV filled, but either way I don't expect she'll be back.
    • She's stuck in the Beverly created jail matrix as long as the power and machine is working. As we've seen with Holly, even her physical death might not help her avoid that Fate Worse than Death. She could be trapped in there for a very long time if that machine is capable of long-term independent activity. It was built for 20 people before any issues cropped up, with just one, and occupying just the Sheriff's office, it could be hundreds of years.
    • Resolved. Beverly gave her to the Feds to get Grace pardoned.

  • Is "Just Another Day" the series finale? it's episode 13 and there was supposed to be another episode to wrap everything up? The Syfy announcer said there's only 2 episodes left (which would be 12 and 13)
    • Yes that is the series finale, fit with flashback montage and a nice little tie in back to the first ever episode. Not sure what you might have heard or interpreted from the Syfy announcer, but "Just Another Day" is episode 13, the last episode.

  • When Jack and Henry return from alternate futures (and after Jack has already foiled Henry's plans to save Kim), Henry erases Jack's memory of the four years he'd lived in another timeline, married to Allison. Henry then smashes the device, refusing to forget what happened to Kim and what Jack did to stop him from saving her. The memory-erasing scene is played several times over the next couple seasons, but this particular conflict doesn't actually seem to be on its way to a resolution (at least, not as of the first half of season three).
    • Presumably the whole situation with Kim-from-space gave Henry the closure he needed to truly move on. This is pure speculation but I believe the writers couldn't figure out what to do with the plot thread of the memory device so they created the Kim-from-space plot to justify dropping it.

  • How stupid is Senator Wen's group? They sabotage a multi-billion dollar space program in order to kidnap scientists and collect the backyard inventions they would be making anyway.
    • Yes, but by putting them under their control they can claim all those inventions in the real world and, accordingly, all the monies.
    • Plus it removes any risk that the scientists might accidentally blow up the world during the course of an experiment. In the Matrix the scientists can perform incredibly dangerous experiments that would never be allowed in the real world, with no negative consequences.

  • If Senator Wen was recruited for the Consortium by alternate universe before being replaced by original universe Henry, how did anyone involved in the Astraeus theft think that he wouldn't immediately suspect her? Sure, he *doesn't* remember it, but *they* don't know that! "Hey! Let's use the inside agent recruited by that guy to kidnap a bunch of people, including his wife and hope he doesn't remember she's a spy." I guess Grace could have told Beverly that Henry had "lost his memory", but that doesn't seem to fit into the timeline of when she broke with the Consortium.
    • I see a few possibilities. One, Beverly somehow became aware of the altered timeline and the fact that they were now dealing with a New Henry who had never joined the Consortium. (Don't ask me how she found out, just assume she did.) She made Senator Wen aware of this before the Astraeus incident. Two, Senator Wen thinks Henry is in on the whole thing and is in total agreement (it's all for the greater good) but doesn't want to risk talking about it with him (never know who might be listening, right?). Three, Senator Wen thinks Henry and Grace have "gone rogue" and is banking on them not realizing that the Consortium was behind the theft of the Astraeus.

  • How does the Matrix decide that an experiment works? It can't be a total reality simulation for two reasons. 1. If the people who programmed it had perfect knowledge of physics, they probably wouldn't need it. 2. If it was a perfect reality simulator, it would need to be bigger than the reality it was simulating. And if it's not perfectly simulating physics accurate reality, then the inventions are at best just ideas that might work, and I hope you have some scientists smart enough to the hard part and get them functional and tested.
    • That's probably exactly how it works. The Astraeus crew comes up with ideas and tests them within the pseudo-reality of the Matrix, and the Consortium takes those ideas and figures out how to make them work in the real world. The goal is not so much to crank out an endless stream of perfect prototypes but to give them a steady source of new scientific breakthroughs that are entirely under their control.

  • So, did no one in Washington notice Senator Wen just vanishing off the face of the Earth? The fact that she disappears into Beverly's trap after being kidnapped from Henry's Garage by a woman who was working with Henry isn't even mentioned by the DOD?
    • Uh, no, they clearly established in Friendly Fire that the DOD was actively hunting for both Beverly and Senator Wen.

  • When Andy was accidentally teleported to Titan, why didn't this make a lightbulb go off in the heads of all the geniuses at GD? Andy doesn't need to breath, eat, or poop, he's incredibly strong, has built-in sophisticated sensing equipment, and he can survive in extreme environments. Hell, he doesn't even need a ship to get to Titan! With just a few reinforcements an Andy-model robot would make the perfect space explorer, yet no one even considers it.
    • ... At a guess, because the entire episode is then spent trying desperately to save Andy before the environment on Titan destroys him, thus demonstrating he's not able to automatically survive in extreme environments and would in fact need a ship?
      • Not automatically able to survive, but with some reinforcement he could survive a lot longer, possibly indefinitely. It took a lot of time for him to break down to the point where his life was in danger.
      • No, his life was in danger from the start, that's why they start desperately trying to get him home from the start. And as to "Just reinforce him!", I'll use the same answer I gave on a Batman headscratchers page: Can you turn a laser pointer into a raygun by hooking it up to a car battery? "Just give it more power!" is not how developing technology works, nor is "Just slap on another coat of insulation!"
      • His life wasn't in danger from the start. His life gradually became endangered as the harsh climate started to get to him. Your argument against reinforcing Andy's chassis is just a strawman.
      • 1) Just because you dump someone in Antarctica by themselves without supplies and they don't die instantly doesn't mean Antarctica is survivable for lone humans without supplies and 2) you don't seem to understand what strawman means. Your headscratcher has been answered at this point whether you like it or not, issue wrapped, moving on.
      • No, it really hasn't. Adding extra environmental protection to Andy would be quite simple. For one thing, remove the skin stuff. Also, YOUR strawman about the Antarctic is a little simplistic. Dropping a man to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean and he survives for multiple hours would be a feat. That Andy did not simply explode the first millisecond he is on Titan is a MASSIVE engineering feat.

  • Once Andy and Sarah started getting serious, why was the possibility of downloading Sarah into a new body never discussed? Sarah's AI seems no more sophisticated than Andy's, so a modified Andy-chassis should be ideal for her. Then Andy wouldn't have to keep squatting in Carter's closet.
    • Because Andy probably cost a few billion dollars and no one wanted to lose their job by suggesting they spend a few billion more dollars to create a girl robot just so the town's deputy robot could get laid? When even the deputy robot didn't care?
      • With all the truckloads of money GD flushes down the toilet every year on banana slugs and what-have-you? I find it hard to believe they all of a sudden became money-conscious. And Andy might not have cared but Carter sure did, and so did Allison I'm sure. Putting Sarah in a body would have gotten Andy out of their house.
      • Carter's not in charge of anything that would allow him to say "Get me a billion dollar sexdroid for my house to possess!" And the money's not being "flushed down the toilet", it's being spent on research... just because it sounds like "hurr durr banana slugs" to you doesn't mean they're just frivolously tossing cash around. Making a body for Sarah has no practical research applications... if it's even possible, since Sarah's AI is shown to inhabit pretty much the entire house, and if she were condensed down into an android she probably wouldn't be the same being.
      • Fargo and Allison DO have the authority to order such a project. And the banana slug thing is just one example of the ridiculous waste at GD. Hell, Andy himself is an example. They spent billions of dollars building a Ridiculously Human Robot for the sole purpose of making him...a small-town sheriff's deputy. I'm not saying Sarah should have been put into a robot body. What I'm asking is why the characters never even discussed the possibility. Carter of all people should have been the one to ask if it could be done, just to get Andy out of his closet. Even if the suggestion was shot down for some technobabble reason, at least they would have addressed it. EDIT: Oh and by the way, early in the series Fargo successfully downloaded Sarah into a two-seater car. So don't tell me it can't be done.

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