History Headscratchers / Collar6

** ...Sixx didn't want her to, and [[UndyingLoyalty Trina doesn't want to disappoint her?]] Alternately, she wasn't allowed, ahem, ''[[ADateWithRosiePalms access]]'' while she was free. [[FridgeBrilliance The maids mention chastity belts as a part of their uniform a few comics later.]] [[AWizardDidIt Or her hours of freedom include some kind of magical orgasm inhibitor.]] [[DoingInTheWizard Or topical anesthetic.]] All but one of these have been used to indulge in an orgasm-denial {{Fetish}} in RealLife. ([[AndKnowingIsHalfTheBattle And now you know.]])

*** And if the edits on Wiki/ThisVeryWiki are anything to go by? It's all because LR's creator dared to ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor offer some help with Collar6's website design.]]'' NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished, I suppose...

** ''How common are those exactly??'' Well, they're fairly common in ''our'' world, and [[DefiledForever they]] [[DoubleStandard still]] [[MyGirlIsNotASlut have]] [[MadonnaWhoreComplex some]] [[SlutShaming influence]]. [[NotSoDifferent It wasn't so long ago that men were considered to own their wives, either.]]

** And this is all barring the fact that as this is primarily a bondage fetish comic where you can take liberties with the characters and consent that you normally can't in real life or even roleplay, why do we care who's under who's thumb? It's enough that [[ReveriePlanetarian This Troper]], who liked the comic previously for being a BDSM romance comic with pretty funny gags and lots of fantastic toys and devices is going through...no idea what to call it. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Fetish Induced Reader Apathy?]]

*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a {{Shonen}} anime. Think of Anime/DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other {{Next Tier Power Up}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.

** ...Sixx didn't want her to, and [[UndyingLoyalty Trina doesn't want to disappoint her?]] Alternately, she wasn't allowed, ahem, ''[[ADateWithRosiePalms access]]'' while she was free. [[FridgeBrilliance The maids mention chastity belts as a part of their uniform a few comics later.]] [[AWizardDidIt Or her hours of freedom include some kind of magical orgasm inhibitor.]] [[DoingInTheWizard Or topical anesthetic.]] All but one of these have been used to indulge in an orgasm-denial {{Fetish}} in RealLife. ([[GIJoe And now you know.]])

* ItJustBugsMe that someone has taken yet another of my silly pastimes and turned it into a terrible webcomic. I guess it was bound to happen now that video gaming web comics are a dead breed. Looking forward to seeing the terrible webcomic about riding boats.
** So, this isn't really a headscratcher, just you complaining that someone has a different view on something than you? How is something that bugs you a headscratcher?
* Silly pastimes? It bugs me that, with all the misinformation and alternative viewpoints on what BDSM is, what's acceptable, what isn't and so on, there is an exceptionally good chance some poor soul is going to read this awful, awful comic and think this is how BDSM in the real world works.
** Any person who actually consents to the kind of stuff in C6 being done to them in the real world is well on their way to a Darwin Award.
** Really? You think they're going to read about the psychic powers, the city/county sized governments consisting entirely of fetishists, 24/7 fetish gear, and stadiums full of people showing up for spanking matches and say to themselves "well this seems realistic"?
** The site clearly states it's all fiction. Made up. Not this world. Fantasy. Read the "about" section of the site.
* Is it just me, or is Sixx's (Michelle's) constant apologetic attitude as of late grinding the comic to a halt?
** I find it nice to see a creator not making their character all-knowing and unwilling to come back on something they said. It's a bad thing when a writer likes his/her characters so much they make it so they'll obviously get out of everything and never make a mistake.
* Is it just me, or is the [[http://collar6.com/2011/collar-6-211 revelation of dreamland for males]] an even more massive AssPull than all of the previous {{Ass Pull}}s put together? Not to mention, among the rest of the mess that came out of that ass, something in there looks very much like a [[JumpingTheShark shark]].
** I think it's just you, because that's not what AssPull means. If this becomes a central plot element, you might have a point, but as it is it looks like it'll just be Laura's backstory and we'll never see the place again. Abrupt, but not an AssPull.
*** I think it likely will become a major plot point, but that's ok, because that's pretty much how Shonen's work: When a new arc starts, you get tons of new information about stuff that wasn't even hinted at before. Think about Freeza in Anime/DragonballZ, think about the Sound village in Naruto, etc. Wolf is following that style, intentionally.
** When you have to provide background on characters, you're expanding your universe. You introduce new things. That's basic story-writing. I don't see the problem.

*** And if the edits on ThisVeryWiki are anything to go by? It's all because LR's creator dared to ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor offer some help with Collar6's website design.]]'' NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished, I suppose...

** The author's sensitive to more than just the webcomic. "Madame" seems to have it out for ''Webcomic/LastRes0rt'', claiming the comic is somehow cheating on the webcomic ranking sites (LR's currently denying Collar6 the #1 spot on [=WebcomicZ=]), despite the fact that "Madame" [[http://forum.collar6.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=473&start=0 dedicates a special thread on the forums]] [[{{Irony}} to how to circumvent the IP filtering systems and game those same sites]].

*** We've probably been spoiled by more popular media on this. It's classic for stories that involve magic/energies/stuff... to mention it extremely early on. Collar6 didn't. That's fine by me. The first 3 pages of a comic don't need to have an gigantic display of fantasy elements to cement the fact that it's a fantasy comic. You call it an AssPull, I call it introducing stuff when needed.

* Is it just me, or is the [[http://collar6.com/2011/collar-6-211 revelation of dreamland for males]] an even more massive AssPull than all of the previous [[AssPull AssPulls]] put together? Not to mention, among the rest of the mess that came out of that ass, something in there looks very much like a [[JumpingTheShark shark]].

** It sounds more like defending it as being "like a shonen manga" is just a quick HandWave to explain anything that bothers the rest of the audience, ignoring that not only does the genre have its own flaws (especially if Collar6 is somehow paying homage by REPEATING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM), but that Anime/DragonBallZ, Naruto, Bleach, and the like are NOT the only shonen comics that exist. Manga/DeathNote is shonen without having these same plot flaws, for instance...
*** I'd very much like to mention that a lot of people seem to be bothered extremely quickly. Using "I think that's not right" as an excuse to come bitch about it on Tvtrops...
*** Well, it's not like anyone can actually discuss these problems on the Collar6 forums, as restricted as they are...

*** An AssPull, or FridgeBrilliance? In alot of ways this comic is intentionally following the structure of a long-running anime (ie DragonBall, Manga/OnePiece, Manga/{{Naruto}}, etc.), but placed in a BDSM world. The sudden introduction of more powerful techniques and new characters and classes of characters is actually a staple of that type of story, as are [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's Guns]] that don't come up again for very long periods of time.

*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a {{Shonen}} anime. Think of DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other {{Next Tier Power Up}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.

*** I think it likely will become a major plot point, but that's ok, because that's pretty much how Shonen's work: When a new arc starts, you get tons of new information about stuff that wasn't even hinted at before. Think about Freeza in DragonballZ, think about the Sound village in Naruto, etc. Wolf is following that style, intentionally.

** It sounds more like defending it as being "like a shonen manga" is just a quick HandWave to explain anything that bothers the rest of the audience, ignoring that not only does the genre have its own flaws (especially if Collar6 is somehow paying homage by REPEATING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM), but that DragonBallZ, Naruto, Bleach, and the like are NOT the only shonen comics that exist. Manga/DeathNote is shonen without having these same plot flaws, for instance...

** ...Sixx didn't want her to, and [[CaptainObvious Trina doesn't want]] [[UndyingLoyalty to disappoint her?]] Alternately, she wasn't allowed, ahem, ''[[ADateWithRosiePalms access]]'' while she was free. [[FridgeBrilliance The maids mention chastity belts as a part of their uniform a few comics later.]] [[AWizardDidIt Or her hours of freedom include some kind of magical orgasm inhibitor.]] [[DoingInTheWizard Or topical anesthetic.]] All [[CaptainObvious but one]] of these have been used to indulge in an orgasm-denial {{Fetish}} in RealLife. ([[GIJoe And now you know.]])

** ...Sixx didn't want her to, and [[CaptainObvious Trina doesn't want]] [[UndyingLoyalty to disappoint her?]] Alternately, she wasn't allowed, ahem, ''[[ADateWithRosiePalms access]]'' while she was free. [[AWizardDidIt Or her hours of freedom include some kind of magical orgasm inhibitor.]] [[DoingInTheWizard Or topical anesthetic.]] [[TruthInTelevision Which are all things that real people have apparently used]] to indulge in an orgasm-denial {{Fetish}}. ([[GIJoe And now you know.]])

* Why is it assumed that Trina (when subjected to solitary confinement in the vacubed) has spent a week on the verge of climax with no release? If she's free to move for three hours a day, surely she could take care of that herself.

** The author's sensitive to more than just the webcomic. "Madame" seems to have it out for ''LastRes0rt'', claiming the comic is somehow cheating on the webcomic ranking sites (LR's currently denying Collar6 the #1 spot on [=WebcomicZ=]), despite the fact that "Madame" [[http://forum.collar6.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=473&start=0 dedicates a special thread on the forums]] [[{{Irony}} to how to circumvent the IP filtering systems and game those same sites]].

*** The owners of several webcomic listings were contacted on the matter and after some research most found it to be indeed so that the creator or LastRes0rt was using college computers to vote multiple times. On a technical note: this could have been prevented by the college simply putting all their computers inside a VLAN. This has the effect that anyone outside the network would see the same IP for every computer inside the VLAN.
**** One, no college with more than 100 people would even think of using a VLAN because of the insane bandwidth cap. Two, the college that the votes were coming from is several states away from where the creator of LastRes0rt lives. Three; the [=WebcomicZ=] admin decided he couldn't find any foul play on LR's part... [[TakeThat but he did find some Collar6 sockpuppets...]]

** I could handle the railroading if the plot was at least going in an entertaining direction. Is anyone else disappointed that the strips spent on "Everyone is Butterfly's prisoner" has been more about Butterfly's gloating and less on some sexy kinky torture, or at least some of that mother-daughter action Butterfly threatened?

** While still a rather large AssPull [[http://collar6.com/2010/collar-6-168 this has finally been explained]]. Apparently Laura isn't from territories controlled by the Association, she would have no particular reason to know that they have magic powers. Especially given that she doesn't even seem to remember where she was born.

*** An AssPull, or FridgeBrilliance? In alot of ways this comic is intentionally following the structure of a long-running anime (ie DragonBall, Manga/OnePiece, {{Naruto}}, etc.), but placed in a BDSM world. The sudden introduction of more powerful techniques and new characters and classes of characters is actually a staple of that type of story, as are [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's Guns]] that don't come up again for very long periods of time.

*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a {{Shonen}} anime. Think of DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other {{Next Tier Power Up}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.

* Does anyone else feel Butterfly has, since the spanking competition and in every strip she appears in thereafter, veered rapidly into BoringInvincibleVillain territory? I'm finding it harder and harder to read a strip I used to thoroughly enjoy because it seems every development that introduces a new level of power in the series exists solely to be trounced by Butterfly, who has as yet never been handed a real loss outside throwing the spanking competition to duke it out with a Judicatrix.

*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a {{Shonen}} anime. Think of DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other {{Shonen Upgrade}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.

** And this is all barring the fact that as this is [[FetishFuel primarily a bondage fetish comic]] where you can take liberties with the characters and consent that you normally can't in real life or even roleplay, why do we care who's under who's thumb? It's enough that [[ReveriePlanetarian This Troper]], who liked the comic previously for being a BDSM romance comic with pretty funny gags and lots of fantastic toys and devices is going through...no idea what to call it. [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Fetish Induced Reader Apathy?]]

**** [[ComicallyMissingThePoint So you're saying the solution is Tamis Anhang sauce?]]

*** And if the edits on ThisVeryWiki are anything to go by? It's all because LR's creator dared to ''[[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous offer some help with Collar6's website design.]]'' NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished, I suppose...

**** That's ''reaching'' - this is a smug and arrogant character, so why would she feign ignorance?
***** It's possible she feigned ignorance because she didn't want to reveal her full hand (or let the Association know she'd been spying), especially when she still stood to gain (if she gets Laura, she still gets revenge by breaking the one Sixx loves).
****** Nonononono. Why would her feigning ignorance that Mistress Sixx's obligations and even bets can be transferred at will help her in any way? And the point was that Michelle went to great lengths to avoid her ''actually'' knowing, bugs or no bugs, that she had exchanged places with Laura.

**** One, [[DidNotDoTheResearch no college with more than 100 people would even think of using a VLAN because of the insane bandwidth cap.]] Two, the college that the votes were coming from is several states away from where the creator of LastRes0rt lives. Three; the [=WebcomicZ=] admin decided he couldn't find any foul play on LR's part... [[TakeThat but he did find some Collar6 sockpuppets...]]

* [[ThisIsSparta Why. Has. Wepons tech. NOT STAGNATED?]] There's no wars, there's no reason to improve beyind bows and knives (although the liquid rubber restraint grenades fit the whole "submission" thing)). Gunpowder tech shouldn't have gotten past fireworks, and yet they have guns (which were outlawed in 1900, so no research should have been going into them, but Sixx's mum has a Glock). I can't wait to hear the VoodooShark for this one.

*** All the time. Many comics even have lots of in depth discussion of these issues on their own fora, look at how the order/misho fight on OotS was dealt with.