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Phantom Limb: Thank you. We're not so different, you and I. Brock: Yeeeaah, I don't need another "we're not so different" speech. I get those a lot. Phantom Limb: Yes I'm sure you do. The Venture Brothers
We are dirt, we are alone
You know we're far from sober!
We are fake, we are afraid
You know it's far from over
We are dirt we are alone
You know we're far from sober!
Look closer, are you like me?
Are you ugly?
— "Ugly" by The Exies
Two characters who seem radically different turn out to have more in common than they would like to believe.
As a good thing, the frequent resolution of an Enemy Mine or Locked In A Freezer plot: two enemies learn that there is more that unites them than divides them. The punch line to about 50% of plots in an Odd Couple series.
As a bad thing, the realization that our hero is really just a hair's breadth away from villainy. In these cases, it's almost always the villain who is the first to notice: our hero has him cornered and even seems to relish the prospect of finally ridding himself of his nemesis, and the villain deftly points out, "We're not so different after all." The hero realizes how close he is to crossing the line, and spares the villain (though every once in a great while, he'll decide that it's worth crossing the line, off the villain anyway, and then have several episodes of moral anguish over the darkness in his soul: see Shoot The Dog). Especially common when the villain is the hero's Evil Counterpart.
Also a bad thing when the bad guy points it out after the hero has bested him through questionable tactics.
Often followed by the hero's hysterical protests along the lines of, "I'm not like you! I'll never be like you!"
Occasionally followed by the hero's observation that they are different, because of some other aspect that the opponent overlooked or intentionally ignored.
The hero should have some snappier comeback, like "You noticed?" or "That's why I can beat you," and worry about the differences later - or a comment that the dog that protects the flock is a very close relative of the wolf that ravages it. Then again, a simple "Shut up" can work wonders.
When the villain who believes this also believes that the hero denies it because he is a Slave To PR, he often sets up What You Are In The Dark to get the hero to act like it. The failure rate for this approach is — high.
Sometimes goes hand-in-hand with a Double Aesop or We Can Rule Together.
Can also be phrased, "You would have made a good thief/ assassin/ Klingon/ Mandalorian/ Dalek/ Minbari/ Troper/Wikipedian."
Compare Your Approval Fills Me With Shame, where the villain outright compliments the hero on his Dirty Business. Sometimes, the difference is only that the heroes are A Lighter Shade Of Grey.
This may be Truth In Television: a recent study shows that sociopaths and heroic "extreme altruists" share many of the same personality traits , differing primarily in the ability to empathize with others.
Examples
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Anime
- The Big O: Big Bad Alex Rosewater never gets sick of pointing out that hero Roger Smith is just as arrogant, power-hungry, and obsessive as he is, for manipulating a giant robot to fulfill his personal moral agenda.
- Mugen and Jin in Samurai Champloo. Pointed out by Fuu within her diary, much to both's displeasure.
- Yu-Gi-Oh GX: Yubel informs Amon during their duel that he's just like her — they both destroy the ones they love.
- Yu-Gi-Oh has several, but a notable one is in the DOMA arc. Raphael, one of Dartz's henchmen, is convinced that the Pharaoh is evil, and tries to prove this to him by making him play the Seal Of Orichalchos field spell card that feeds off of the darkness in people. He succeeds, and wins as a result.
- Spike and Vicious have a moment like this during their standoff in the Cowboy Bebop episode, "Ballad of Fallen Angels":
Vicious: You should see yourself. Do you have any idea what you look like right at this moment, Spike?
Spike: (with a savage grin on his face) What?
Vicious: A ravenous beast. The same blood runs through both of us. The blood of a beast that wanders, hunting for the blood of others.
Spike: I've bled all that kind of blood away.
Vicious: Then why are you still alive?!
- The anime also parodies this trope with Andy, Spike's one-shot foil whose similarities to the protagonist are so prominent as to be lampshaded repeatedly by the remaining cast. Naturally, the two hate each other's guts with a passion — well, Spike hates Andy's guts. Andy can't even remember Spike's name for most of the episode, which only serves to infuriate the protagonist further.
- Fullmetal Alchemist: Happens a few times. Lampshaded in "The Phantom Thief":
Edward: It's funny. Every crook I meet wants to tell me how much I'm just like them.
- When Edward confronts Shou Tucker over his use of his wife and daughter as subjects in his experiments, Tucker says Edward is just like him, because Edward used alchemy to try to bring his mother back.
- It's nver quite mentioned in the series itself, but: An older brother sacrifices his right arm, so that his younger brother can live. Now, are we talking about Edward Elric, or Scar's older brother?
- In Outlaw Star, Harry MacDougal pulls one of these on Melfina, to whom he reveals to her that he's also an Artificial Human, with all the Cloning Blues that go with it.
- Death Note: Both Light and L fall under this trope, engaging in roughly the same questionable activities in their cat-and-mouse game. For example, they both use criminals to test the power of the Death Note at least once during the story.
- Matsuda and Light are also Not So Different, as Matsuda admits to having occasionally thought that the world would be a better place if some people weren't in it. Later on, he starts to become seriously worried by how much he sees the world as having improved with Kira around, leading to something of a Get A Hold Of Yourself Man (minus the hitting) moment on the part of the other policemen. Then you have Mello, another detective investigating Kira, whose actions in pursuit of Light are so dreadful that it's hard to say that he's any better than his foe.
- Really. He's a lot worse. So much that the police is willing to accept Kira's help to take him down. It should also be noted that his reasons to pursue Kira are entirely selfish (outdoing Near and claiming the Death Note for personal use). Making his becoming a martyr in Near's eyes that much more of a Wall Banger.
- Monster: Dr. Gillen invokes this towards the incarcerated serial killers he interviews. Since his sins actually appear to amount to being an emotionally distant husband, and getting competititive as a student to the point of cheating on ONE test, this seems a bit of a stretch
- Negima turned to this during the school festival arc. Negi and his group going back in time by ten days to "fix" the future another traveler had created, he reasoned that it was no different than her going backwards to change her own future.
- The final battle of Zeta Gundam has a couple of speeches along these lines. Played straight in the case of Camille and Jerid, and played rather strangely in the case of Reccoa and Emma. Also, there is a really nice scene in a theater...
- In the anime version of Pretear Fenrir even says at one point that Himeno is going to repeat her fate — to which Himeno immediately objects. Not only Fenrir actually got her powers from being in the same position as Himeno, she turned evil because of her unrequited love for the same person Himeno is in love with.
- Astro Boy gets to hear one of these speeches just about every time he tangles with Atlas or Blue Knight. In fact, in Blue Knight's case it actually worked for a while.
- Late in Code Geass, Jeremiah Gottwald asks Sayoko Shinozaki if it's chivalry (the same code of loyalty that he's tried to live his life by) that makes her remain loyal to Lelouch, despite being Japanese herself, and she agrees that this is probably the reason. Considering they spent the vast majority of the series on opposing sides, and even tried to kill each other the first time they crossed paths, it counts. Of course, both are much beloved EnsembleDarkhorses so the idea of them being a pairing soon entered Fanon via Memetic Mutation based ENTIRELY on this small speech.
- Much more important is the ending: When Lelouch and Nunnally confront one another, Nunnally reveals that she willingly worked with Schneizel in order to focus all the world's hatred on the WMD-flinging space fortress Damocles, so that people could finally unite and move towards peace. As we learn at the final episode's climax, Lelouch had the exact same plan - except that he made himself the object of hatred, and then allowed himself to be killed so humanity as a whole could move on.
- As Foils of one another, it's obvious to the audience that Lelouch and Suzaku are Not So Different, and there are a number of instances when they realise this in the show. One obvious example in R2 being during the meeting at the Kururugi shrine, when Suzaku sees through Lelouch's lies because he recognises that, like him, Lelouch is pained by having to cover things up in order to make the world better. Of course, because of Schniezel's interruption, it's still a few more episodes before they actually manage to reconcile.
- Naruto and Gaara. Their arc (and their friendship) actually bases on them being Not So Different. This also happens in way too many fillers in the anime, particularly in the Temple of Fire filler with Sora. Not only did they initially start out as outcasts in their respective communities, but Sora even has part of the Nine-Tailed Fox's chakra within him. Also, in the Ultimate Ninja game, if you select Hinata's history mode, when you face Sakura she'll say that Hinata reminds her of how she used to be shy before meeting Ino, fighting you/Hinata for a good challenge, and offer encouragement and comfort if you/Hinata lose..
- In the climax of Fate Stay Night, the Big Bad (Kotomine) says that he and Shirou's father were much alike. Understandably, Shirou's reaction is "Screw you!"
- In the non-animated Heaven's Feel route, the comparison comes up again — rather better justified as well — and this time Shirou can't deny it as readily. The climax even has Shirou realize that Shirou himself and Kotomine are Not So Different all on his own — but since their selfish and Not So Different wishes are mutually exclusive, they have to fight.
- Jail Scaglietti of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha uses as the basis of his Hannibal Lecture the assertion that Fate's adopting children who would become Child Soldiers that loved her makes her no different from Jail himself or her Evil Matriarch of a mother. Erio and Caro, the children in question, respond with a You Are Not Alone speech about how they're the ones who chose their path and that all Fate did was raise them to be strong-willed enough to do so, which gives Fate the strength to take Jail and his Numbers down in a Crowning Moment Of Awesome.
- In A's, during Zafira's third fight with Arf in Episode 7, he says that he will serve his mistress regardless of whether what he's doing is right. He then says "You're the same type of beast as me... can you say you're any different?" While he is a guardian beast and Arf is a familiar, he has a point considering that Arf had helped Fate gather the Jewel Seeds in the first season. Arf is left unable to articulate a response.
- Tetsunosuke and Suzu from Peacemaker Kurogane, although constantly pushing each other's buttons and being rivals, are shown to think to themselves that maybe they're not so different after all. At least until Suzu goes insane and obsessed with Tetsunosuke...
- A variation: Habashira Rui and Hiruma have a moment in Eyeshield 21 where Habashira asks why their paths are so different when their methods are the same.
- In One Piece, done inadvertenly by Sanji when fighting Absalom: Not only they have a similar reaction to seeing a sleeping Nami in a wedding dress, but Sanji reveals that given invisibility powers, he would do little better than Absalom himself.
- Done with a positive intonation in Gaiking Legend of the Daiku Maryu. When Lee actually meets a momentarily-blinded Vestanuu, she pretty much lets him know she fights simply because she and the others of Darius believe that humanity attacked first and they're justified in defending themselves.
- In Yu Yu Hakusho, Yusuke notices that he's some similarities with his opponent Jin, particularly enjoying fighting and a simlar fighting style, and his acknowledging their similarities is slightly played up in the anime. After dying at Yusuke's hands, Toguro tells Genkai that Yusuke has the potential to become great, but might end up like him if Genkai doesn't make the right decisions.
- In SD Gundam Force, Sazabi tries this on Captain near the end of their fight, in an attempt to lure him to the dark side. Captain's response?
Captain: If you want a friend... You'll have to do better than that!
- Subverted in Code: Breaker when a Chaotic Evil character says she was severely abused because of her powers, and a Chaotic Good character says that he too was abused. They go through a Defeat Means Friendship moment and then Chaotic Evil drops all the people she's frozen into a pit. It seems that Defeat has nothing on treating someone like a human being.
- Baccano! goes for a not quite good, but not quite bad thing in Drugs and Dominoes, when Eve Genoard finally encounters Luck Gandor, the man who "killed" her brother after he killed three of Luck's friends, entirely unprovoked. Not only does she learn that he's not the Complete Monster she thought he would be but also that, given similar circumstances (namely, learning that Gustavo killed her father and other brother for his own personal gain), she would pretty much do the same without a second thought — the only reason she didn't blow Gustavo's head off then and there was because of Luck's intervention.
- In Full Metal Panic, Sousuke is subject to this kind of Hannibal Lecture from Gauron in The Second Raid. Gauron gets pissed off that Sousuke has been trying to fit in with normal people and have friends, saying that it's making him "weaker," and that it's a hopeless goal to have. He proceeds to go on about how they were a match made in heaven, and that Sousuke shouldn't deny it. It eventually ends with Sousuke shooting the hell out of Gauron. Which was exactly what he was hoping for.
- Urusei Yatsura. Ataru Moroboshi is pitiful womanizer and Unlucky Everydude, shunned by pretty much everyone, while his unwanted wife Lum is a Cute Monster Girl Magical Girlfriend who is immediately popular with all the other schoolkids. It's subtly hinted that part of the reason why Lum is attracted to Ataru (the other part being that she can recognize his deeply buried noble qualities) is because they're much the same; Lum is also sneaky, mischievous, bad-tempered and uninhibited. The main reason she comes off as a Tsundere in their relationship is because Ataru keeps chasing after other women rather then pay attention to her, which makes her angry and jealous, rather then being angered by his perversion.
- Similarly, as much as Jariten berates Ataru for his perversity and gets angry when Ataru hints at Ten's own lustful thoughts, he's really no better then Ataru, as he's well aware that being a cute little baby makes him much more attractive to the girls then Ataru.
- In Hellsing OVA 4, the Major pulls a double whammy. First he points out that if He allows the Major's evil to exist, then Iscariot's God must be mad, or evil. When told "Youre Insane!" for showing off the slaughter he's caused, he points out, "You sure didn't have a problem fifty years ago!" Of course, he is talking to the Iscariot Organization.
Comic Books
- Xavier and Magneto of X-men...
- An interesting variant occurs during the "Acts of Vengeance" crossover, where Magneto decides to ignore the stated purpose and kill the Red Skull. Red Skull of course launches into a Not So Different speech, essentially taunting Magneto about the fact that his quest for mutant supremacy is quite similar to the Red Skull's own ideology. In the end Magneto spares his life but seals him inside an underground room filled with food and water.
- Or Cyclops and Prof. X. After taking charge of the X-Men Scott has begun to keep secrets and make unilateral decisions, the same things that made him kick out Xavier.
- That he is Not So Different from his greatest enemies, especially the Joker, is repeatedly shown to be one of Batman's greatest fears. It's not an entirely unfounded idea either; he may not be cruel or a murderer, but he's still not the sanest guy.
- Batman: The Killing Joke has the Joker try to prove this to Batman in his own psychotically twisted way. In the end, after Batman proves that the Joker's biggest point, that everyone was just like him, false, he and Joker share a big metaphorical Not So Different moment, and end the book laughing maniacally together.
- One of the Joker's primary goals is to prove that everyone else is Not So Different from him. He tried it in The Killing Joke, and he tried it again near the end of No Man's Land when he shot Gordon's wife Sarah. The Dark Knight also has the Joker trying to show the people of Gotham that deep down they're no better than he is. He fails with the people of Gotham, but succeeds in corrupting Harvey Dent. The Joker is driven to show people that all it takes for someone to go crazy is One Bad Day — by giving them that Bad Day.
- Mr. Zsasz gave Batman one of these speeches during the Knightfall crossover. His main point was that they both hunted people.
- Whole point of Arkham Asylum is about questioning Batman's sanity and showing him beign Not So Different than his villains.
- Iron Man has been compared to Doctor Doom quite a bit. Especially since his behavior in Civil War.
- The Punisher gets a lot of these, although he usually just shoots the guy before they get beyond "we're no—".
- Here's a weird one: In the first issue of the new Azrael, Az is on the hunt for a serial killer. During the course of his investigation, he realises the killer is targeting people who allowed a horrible crime to happen. When they finally confront each other, the Avenging Angel gives himself the Not So Different speech, and allows the killer to depart.
- In the Archie Sonic comics, Scourge often brings this up to convince Sonic to be 'evil' like him. As he puts it, "All it takes is one bad day, and you'd be just like me." Throughout the series they compare themselves to one another (in one issue, Sonic says something along the lines of "My evil 'twin' conquered a planet on his own. What do you think will hapen if I let loose?")
Fan Works
Film
- Manhunter. Hannibal Lecter, er, Lektor informs Will Graham of this.
Lektor: You want the scent? Smell yourself.
- Luke Skywalker of Star Wars gets his Not So Different moment when he cuts off his father's artificial hand. Luke sees that he has just repaid Vader's violence in kind, but also sees his own prosthetic hand as symbolizing the possibility that he's becoming like his father. This was foreshadowed earlier in Empire Strikes Back when Yoda sends Luke into a cave to be attacked by a masked warrior brandishing a lightsaber, looking much like Darth Vader. Luke quickly defeats the warrior, decapitating it. The warrior's mask falls off, and its face is exactly like Luke's. Yoda pointed out before Luke went in that the cave only contains what you take into it (ie. it shows you yourself, and your weaknesses) in fact telling Luke he won't need his weapons. Luke completely ignored him, leading to that sequence.
- Occurs twice in the Austin Powers trilogy, between Doctor Evil and Austin (who, amusingly enough, are both played by Mike Myers); first in the first film near the end, and later in the third film:
Doctor Evil: Remember when I said 'We're not so different, you and I'?
Cuts back to the first film, with Austin aiming his gun at Doctor Evil.
Doctor Evil: We're not so different, you and I.
Flashback ends.
Doctor Evil: See? I did say that.
Austin: Yes, very nice. Now where's my father?
- The third film also reveals that Doctor Evil and Austin are twins proving that they are Not So Different in more ways than either believed.
- Raiders Of The Lost Ark: Rival archaeologist Rene Belloq provides a definitive example of this trope when he taunts the protagonist, Indiana Jones.
Belloq: You and I are very much alike. Archeology is our religion, yet we have both fallen from the pure faith. Our methods have not differed as much as you pretend. I am but a shadowy reflection of you. It would take only a nudge to make you like me. To push you out of the light.
Bill Corbitt: The "we're not so different you and me" speech is copyright Ben Gazzara. It cannot be used without the express written consent of Ben Gazzara.
- Its A Wonderful Life: Corrupt Corporate Executive Mr. Potter takes the opportune moment to throw George Bailey's words back in his face when the hero is facing bankruptcy and jail. Notably, the comparison insults both of them.
Mr. Potter: Look at you. You used to be so cocky. You were going to go out and conquer the world. You once called me "a warped, frustrated, old man!" What are you but a warped, frustrated young man? A miserable little clerk crawling in here on your hands and knees and begging for help.
- Inverted in Galaxy Quest, where the villain forces the main character to explain how he's Not So Different from the villain... to an ally who hero-worships the main character.
- The Man With The Golden Gun. Scaramanga does this with James Bond. Bond tells him that he is full of a certain bodily discharge.
- Here's the exact quote: "There's a useful four letter word. And you're full of it. When I kill, it's on the direct orders of my government. And the men I kill are themselves killers."
- The Kingdom is an interesting version, having a Not So Different ending. At the very end of the movie, it is revealed what the hero said in the beginning when whispering a reassurance to another member of his team "We're going to kill them all", referring the Diabolical Mastermind terrorists who executed an attack that killed at least one of their coworkers. Just after this revelation the film cuts to that terrorist's grandson, who heard his last words after the terrorist was fatally shot. Asked by his mother what his grandfather's last words were, the young boy replies that they were "Do not worry, my child. For the day shall come when we kill them all".
- Spoofed in a deleted scene from Small Soldiers when the protagonist's slightly obnoxious neighbour and his family is being held hostage by sentient toys:
Phil: You know, we're not so different you and I. I have been accused of being plastic all my life!
- In Falling Down, an odious Nazi shopkeeper tries to use a Not So Different speech with the insane vigilante protagonist.
Nick: We're the same, you and me. We're the same, don't you see?
D-Fens: We are not the same. I'm an American and you're a sick asshole.
- Reverend Mother in The Trouble With Angels says it's one of the reasons she decided at the last minute not to expel troublemaker Mary: both are strong willed, and Reverend Mother says she can't be less tolerant of Mary than the Church has been of her.
- An exchange from the 2007 Transformers movie:
Ironhide: Why are we fighting to save the humans? They are a primitive and violent race.
Optimus Prime: Were we so different?
- Especially considering that Ironhide's personality summed-up in two words is "primitive and violent".
- And the Transformers have been in a non-stop war for millions of years. I really don't think they've got room to talk.
- This is a major theme in Heat, where despite Pacino being a cop and De Niro being a professional thief, the two realize that they're very similar people.
- Red Dawn. The protagonists, American guerillas fighting a brutal Soviet occupation, have captured a spetsnaz commando and are going to execute him.
Matt: "What's the difference, Jed? Tell me, what's the difference between us and them?"
Jed: "Because…we live here!" (shoots prisoner)
- In Scanners, Cameron tells Revok that he's not so different from the now-dead mentor Paul Ruth, specifically to piss him off. Neither of them have much respect for Dr. Ruth, by this point.
Revok: No. Not like him. Like REVOK! DARRYL REVOK!
Cameron: You sound exactly like him. It's as though he's been reincarnated in you.
- In The Elephant Man, Bytes does this to Treves ("You think you're better than me? You wanted the freak to show to those doctor chums of yours!"), which really shakes him up later on.
"I think Mr. Bytes and I are very much alike."
- Not the last time Anthony Hopkins has compared himself to his antagonists; see the Red Dragon example
- In David Lynch's Blue Velvet, insane drug-addicted rapist Frank hisses "you're like me" at the story's young hero Jeffrey Beaument.
- In District 9, we have this scene when the main character, already in his alien form, is hidding in the nice alien's house. The nice alien kid likes the main character, because they're the same.
Literature
Live Action TV
- On Andromeda, whenever Dylan does something underhanded to accomplish his goals, a nearby Nietzschean will point out that he "would have made a good Nietzschean".
- Recurring element of Lex's relationship with his father in Smallville.
- Done both ways in Gilmore Girls, even though it's an unusual trope for that genre. Paris and Rory move for the first time away from being rivals after a "good" Not So Different moment. Lorelai is occasionally unhinged after experiencing a "bad" Not So Different moment with her controlling mother.
- The first two appearances of the Daleks in the new Doctor Who series are Chock Full O' Not So Different moments.
- Parodied in the Red Dwarf episode "Angels and Demons" in which Cat and Rimmer refuse to believe they are like their sandal-wearing-hippie-mystic Good Twins while Lister insists that his Evil Twin is no part of him.
High Rimmer: philosophy, poetry, music, and study. That is how we spend our time. Trying to expand our minds and unlock our full potential in the service of humankind.
Rimmer: What a pair of losers!
- Also, in Red Dwarf, the last episode in season one called "Me2" involves Rimmer (a holographic projection) having a duplicate copy of himself. They are exactly alike (same disk), but they eventually get into intense arguments and claim the other one is mentally ill and ugly among other things, even dragging their mother into it. Lister finds this quite humourous.
- Inverted in the novelization, where the new copy makes a point that they are different, despite coming from the same disc; namely, original!Rimmer has changed since originally revived and became
less of a prat soft.
- Buffy The Vampire Slayer: This comes up often between Buffy and Faith (and Buffy and Angelus, and Buffy and Dracula for that matter)...
- ... and between Xena and Callisto, and Xena and Ares as well, of Xena Warrior Princess.
- The fourth season episode of The 4400 "No exit" shows several of the main characters locked up in the NTAC building, including Jordan Collier and Tom Baldwin. After it is revealed that the lockup is only the result of one of the NTAC agents having an ability due to a previous injection of promicin, and was created as a collective dream in order to promote cooperation between the Collier followers and NTAC, Collier and Baldwin are forced to work together and the ordeal convince both of them that there is common ground between them. However, Baldwin still keeps his stance against Collier and vows to catch him.
- In one episode of Star Trek Voyager, "Scientific Method", one of the alien scientists using the ship's crew as guinea pigs tells Janeway that they are very similar in their need to protect their people. Needless to say, Janeway disagrees.
- In the original series episode "Balance of Terror", the defeated Romulan Commander says that he and Kirk "are of a kind", just before blowing himself up.
- In American Gothic, one hero (The Chosen One, of sorts) has to tell another (his Spirit Advisor) that she is Not So Different: in "The Plague Sower", having gone too far in her desire for vengeance and justice, Merlyn uses her angelic powers to curse Trinity with an almost Biblical plague, only relenting when she is made to see how her either-or mentality and harsh, murderous methods make her no better than Buck.
- Dr. Foreman and Dr. House — Foreman eventually quits House's team to save himself from becoming like House, unaware that he already is like him and always has been. In season 4, he proves once and for all that it is irrevocable:
Cuddy: You’re House Lite now. The only administrator that will touch you is the one who hired House Classic. [indicates self]
- While they are generally great guys, if a little arrogant and condescending (not to mention having proved useless at stopping their cousins), the Tok'ra of Stargate SG-1 are occasionally accused of not being that different from the Goa'uld. Given that their progenitor was a good Goa'uld it would appear it is possible for Goa'uld to not be inherently evil, and some are far less grandiose and insane than the others. On the other side of things the Tok'ra are different as they take hosts only with permission and live in a symbiosis with those hosts. At least that's the idea. A couple of instances where a Tok'ra took a host unwillingly (although that was possibly a misunderstanding) and even dominated their host and took action without their permission (totally deliberate) suggest there might be some truth to the accusations. Really the Tok'ra are like when a government claims it is introducing extraordinarily harsh measures which 'shall only very rarely be used' in that they still have the potential to Kick The Dog like the Goa'uld and sometimes do so. Despite this the Tok'ra get very upset if someone should make the comparison, as if someone should be able to tell the good snake parasites from the bad ones on sight, even though Goa'uld can fake being in true symbiosis with their hosts as well.
- In the Stargate Atlantis episode "Common Ground", the newly-introduced Todd comments that Sheppard is more like a Wraith than he thinks, but it's strongly implied that this was meant to be a compliment.
- Character Development and Backstory have combined to make this the case between Humanity and the Cylons in the new Battlestar Galactica. Many of the Cylons have come to realize they are no better than humanity, and are in fact very human indeed. Humanity had slowly come around to the point where most of the main cast acknowledge the Cylons are people too, though the process on their end is hampered by the Cylons whole killed 20 billion people thing which makes it easier for people to deny the similarities- admittedly, they may have a point. This leads to a great deal of trouble when most of the main group are forced to acknowledge this trope, they needed to or they would both die essentially, but a great many cannot get past the aforementioned stumbling block for obvious reasons.
- In the 30 Rock episode "Generalissimo," Jack Donaghy confronts a Mexican soap-opera actor who's on-screen evil is biasing Jack's Puerto Rican girlfriend's grandmother against him. The actor, Hector Moreda, looks exactly like him (and is played by none other than Alec Baldwin). As they discuss the fate of El Generalissimo, the swarthy, mustachio'd Hector points out to Jack that "We're not so different, you and I".
- The Twilight Zone probably had a lot of these considering it aired just after WW 2 and during the Korean War and The Cold War. One featured a WW 2 Pacific Theater Sociopathic Soldier who was eager for Japanese blood, to the disgust of his battle-weary comrades. One of them points out that the enemy is just as sick of battle as they are (if not more so), but it takes the soldier literally becoming a Japanese soldier and having his bloodthirsty words parroted back to him for him to get it.
- A great example of the "That's why I can beat you" outcome is a scene in Blood Ties where the cornered freaked-out vampire (abandoned by its sire) tells Henry that he too is a monster and Henry answers "But I am the monster who is coming out of this alive."
- Malcolm In The Middle: Francis' wife Piama and his mother Lois hate each other, though they are almost exactly the same. Both are demanding, controlling and semi-abusive women, and Francis loves Piama with the same passion and single-minded devotion Hal has for Lois.
Music
- The Sonata Arctica song Abandoned, Pleased, Brainwashed, Exploited has the line "You aim for a common goal, you are one with your foe" repeated frequently as part of the chorus.
- “Becoming The Bull” by Atreyu Back and forth the struggle consumes us all. / Trying to keep a level head. / In the most unsettling of times. / Today I'll become the bull. / There is so much to stake. / I stumble I lose my place. / Pride and arrogance surrounded by sin. / Destiny takes its hold. / Fight it or let it go. / But I choose how the day will end.
- “Figure 0.9” by Linkin Park I took what I hated / and made it a part of me / now you’ve become a part of me / you’ll always be right here / you’ve become a part of me / you’ll always be my fear / I can’t separate / myself from what I’ve done / giving up a part of me / I let myself become you
- “Outside” by Staind I can see through you / see your true colors / because inside your ugly / your ugly like me / I can see through you / see to the real you
Video Games
- Ace Combat Zero makes use of this. "You and I are opposite sides of the same coin..."
- Actually a bit of a subversion, as the full quote goes on to say "We exist at the same time, but only one side can ever be on top" or something like that. So, Not So Different, but, impossible to reconcile.
- The full quote is: "You and I are opposite sides of the same coin. When we face each other, we can finally see our true selves. There may be a resemblance, but we never face the same direction."
- The ending of Advance Wars: Dual Strike consists primarily of a Not So Different speech by the defeated Big Bad, complete with If You Kill Him You Will Be Just Like Him. The player is then given the choice of how to deal with the defeated and now helpless Big Bad.
- In Advance Wars 2, Mad Scientist Lash taunts Smart Girl Sonja by accusing Sonja of enjoying warfare just as much as she does.
- In Mega Man Zero 4, Big Bad Dr. Weil desperately bluffs Zero and tries to convince him that killing Weil would be stooping to his level of villainy. In an unorthodox move, Zero kills him anyway, making note at how he never considered himself a hero to begin with. Notably, Zero loses his life in the process.
- Done rather sadly in Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters, where Mega Man's solo ending had Dr. Wily pointing out Mega Man's senseless destruction of robots in the act of peace for humans and robots. This puts Mega Man in guilt long enough for Wily to escape by the time he is cheered up by his friends.
- Inverted in Mega Man Star Force, with Mega Man Geo-Omega (the protagonist, and a good guy) telling Harp Note that he is just like her, in an effort to get her to join forces with him. Not only does it work, but it is actually true as both of them have previously lost a parent.
- Metal Gear has Big Boss, an antagonist whose ideology of perpetual, honorable warfare lingers on through his unkillable son, Liquid Snake. It all seems the usual completely bonkers nonsense, until you're put into his shoes at the start of the third game and get to see what he went through before he formed the Foxhound unit and started plotting world domination. He suffers through the same betrayals and manipulation that the series protagonist, Solid Snake, has gone through, and at the end is just as alienated and bitter. It leaves potent, unstated message about how someone's past experiences don't control their future.
- A clearer example is towards the end of the first Metal Gear Solid. Liquid is talking about bringing about his father's vision of a return to warfare. When Snake claims that he doesn't want that kind of a world, Liquid's response is a CMOA (and is probably directed towards the player as well as Snake).
Liquid: So why are you here then? Why do you continue to follow your orders while you superiors betray you? Why did you come here?
Snake: ...
Liquid: Well... I'll tell you then. You enjoy all the killing, that's why.
- The original Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic when Malak reveals that you are Darth Revan.
- In Assassins Creed, mad executioner Majd Uddin attempts to pull this on Altair, explaining that they aren't so different and that he would have done the same were he in Uddin's position. Altair's response? Stab Uddin in the neck.
- Portal: "The difference between you and me is that I can feel pain..."
- Hudson Soft attempted to market Bomberman Act: Zero on their website with this in mind, saying the classic Bomberman gameplay is still there and intact despite its Darker And Edgier exterior (due to how this Wiki is designed, we can't directly link you to the articles with this in effect; just go to Hudson's official website, head to their Bomberman Supersite, and read the two articles at the bottom), before accepting the fact that They Changed It Now It Sucks.
- In Oni, at the end of the Rooftops sequence's ninja bossfight, the main character exclaims that she has nothing in common with him - then breaks his neck with her boot.
Mukade: Does you blood burn when you kill? Mine does.
Konoko: Stop it...
Mukade: We writhe inside as we are torn apart to make way for what we will become. Surrender to it... Let the bliss of oblivion free you all your doubts and fears!
Konoko: You're one of Muro's thugs, nothing more!
Mukade: (laughs) We shall see...
(Konoko beats the crap out of Mukade)
Konoko: (thinking) Griffin encouraged me not to look too deeply into my past. Seems like there was a lot he didn't want me to know... I could feel the ninja and I know he could feel me. Why? What am I becoming? Are we the same...? NO, I have nothing in common with him. (kills Mukade) (aloud) Nothing!
- Sly Cooper has this exchange right before the boss fight with Panda King:
Panda King: Why should you care if I bury a few worthless villages in snow? You are a thief, just like me.
Sly: No that's only half true. I am a thief- from a long line of master thieves. While you... You're just a frustrated fireworks artist turned homicidal pyromaniac.
- In the third game, Big Bad Dr. M uses this with Bentley due to the fact that they were/are The Smart Guys of their group, with Dr. M stating that Sly's talks of Friendship is just an inherent Cooper lie.
- He needs to sneak around lest he get shredded, and punishes enemies who let him get behind them. Now which Team Fortress 2 class are we talking about, the Spy or the Pyro with Backburner?
- In The Suffering, Horace compares himself to the protagonist Torque in several scenes, though he often encourages him against becoming too much like him:
You had a wife, right? Didja love her? How far would you go to make sure she stayed yours? When you get mad, you feel you could kill a man, rip him apart with your bare hands. You ever feel that way? Maybe you're not like me, it's hard to say. Ya gotta fight it. Don't let this place do to you what it did to me.
- In Grand Theft Auto IV, Niko is driven for revenge against the guy who sold out him and his friends for $1000. When he finally confronts the guy, Darko Brevic, he is asked how much he charges to kill someone. It seems that Niko knows that Darko is right as it shows in his choices: if he pulls the trigger on the guy, he feels empty and unsettled; if he doesn't and lets Darko go, Niko still feels angry but also a little bit better at the same time, since Darko is in a very, very sorry state and will continue to live on in suffering.
- Darko also resembles Niko very much physically. Pretty unsettling...
- In Fallout 3, if you confront the murdering, inbred, cannibal residents of the town of Andale about their unsavory habits, their leader demands to know how many people you've killed. And throws 'judge not lest ye be judged' in your face, to boot.
- In Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, the final battle includes Raziel confronting Kain about raising his vampire lieutenants from the corpses of prominent Sarafan (vampire hunters):
Raziel: 'The Sarafan were saviours, defending Nosgoth from the corruption that we represent! My eyes are open Kain... I find no nobility in the unlife you rudely forced on my unwilling corpse!'
Kain: 'You may have uncovered your past, but you know nothing of it... You think the Sarafan were noble? altruistic? (laughs) Oh, don't be simple. Their agenda was the same as ours!'
This is shown to be true in the ending of Soul Reaver 2, when it is shown that the Sarafan were controlled by Moebius, The Dragon of the series.
- In Warcraft 3, Mannaroth taunts Grom Hellscream, saying that they are the same. Grom responds by screaming defiance and charging forward to kill him.
- In Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Complete Monster Lazaravic calls out Nathan Drake on all the mooks he's killed, saying that it makes Drake no different than he is. In context, the scene is a huge mashup of this trope, Moral Dissonance and Selective Condemnation.
- In a non-villain example, in Deus Ex, Paul Denton mentions to the player the irony of how in order to defeat the one-worlders, the resistance forces, who support sovereignty and independence for the different peoples throughout the world, have to become a global organization.
- When Arakune and Hakumen meet in the Arcade mode of Blaz Blue, the latter tells the former that they are quite similar down inside.
- On a more comedic note, in Teach Me, Ms. Litchi!, Litchi notes that "[Kokonoe and Taokaka]'re more alike than they seem. There's only a thin line between genius and... Tao".
Web Comics
- Parodied in Adventurers, when the Big Bad pulls the second type of Not So Different moment on the hero in this strip, and has it fall flat almost immediately since the only examples he could come up with were their similar heights and shared penchant for pointy hair. He admitted that he probably shouldn't have made it up on the fly.
- Lampshaded in this entry of Arthur King Of Time And Space.
- this very recent Girl Genius comic has Gil realize this about his father, Baron Wulfenbach.
Gil: ...Oh. Oh, no. This must be how my father feels - all the time!
- Not said by a villain, but comparing a Corrupt Corporate Executive to his son: Rollie, of Gene Catlow, explains exactly how Steven Avariss is like his father. Basically, it boils down to an aspect of their personalities that could be good or bad, depending on how it's applied.
- Parodied in this strip of GastroPhobia, where Pneuma's attempt to invoke this falls completely flat.
- In Erfworld, Stanley declares that his enemy Ansom rules by "violence and fear" (with "just like me" implied though not admitted), not by "nobility" as he likes to believe. Later, it becomes evident that Ansom and Stanley are both fighting for their respective visions of the Titans' will.
- Almost lampshaded in this Order Of The Stick comic, though it doesn't quite have its normal purpose or effect especially considering the character making the speech is himself is unnatural through divine magic but doesn't recognize this in the speech.. Later on, Shojo gives Belkar this line, kicking off what's effectively a Chaotic Good Hannibal Lecture.
- In the Order Of The Stick fancomic anti-HEROES, Finx attempts a Not So Different speech when facing down Aldran. Aldran responds by deconstructing it before declaring I'll still win.
- Sluggy Freelance has a rare example where all the people involved are good guys (or at least Designated Good Guys. Mad Scientist and Badass Longcoat Riff has always taken the view that Aylee, an originally man-eating alien is too big of a threat to the world to be allowed to live. Eventually Torg delivers the Not So Different speech on Aylee's behalf:
Torg: We're her family, Riff. This is her home now. She's not going to destroy it anymore than you would ... with your various nuclear isotopes and biological pathogens ... OK, bad example. Actually, it's not! Riff, with all your dangerous scientific experiments, I put it to you that Aylee is less likely to threaten humanity than you!
- Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal demonstrates the underutilized tactic of trying this on God.
- Happens a lot in Lightbringer, andtitural character quickly becomes tired of it:
Lightbringer: It's the same damn speech I keep hearing. "You're just like me." "We both want the same thing." 'why are you fighting against me?" The Gentleman told me it. The Smiling Man said he used to be just like me. Werres told me we fought the same fight. And now Darkbringer is using the tired old bit.(...) I'm sick of evil people telling me I'm like them.
- Also, one interesting example was when Police Chief eddie Crane tried to arrest Bruiser, former cop turned into Vigilante Man after death of his kids. Bruiser said he knows what Crane did to murerers of his own familly, making Crane left him go.
Western Animation
- Family Guy: Stewie realizes he's not so different from one of his "potential siblings" when one of them mentions that he too hates Lois.
- American Dad: Subverted in "Weiner of Our Discontent" when Roger and Stan find that they both like to feel important:
Roger: We're not so different, you and I.
Stan: Yes we are. We're night and day. Except for in this specific instance.
- Also Stan belittles Steve for being nerdy and unpopular, while flashbacks reveal that he was just as nerdy and even more unpopular. Indeed, a major facet of Stan's character is how he wants Steve to be cool and popular like he never got to be (not becoming athletic until college), and Stan gets very upset whenever he discovers he is not liked by people, and is desperate to be accepted among his colleagues at times because of his past.
- Played straight when Stan kidnaps the children of a lesbian couple. When he hears them fighting in the backseat, he realizes that they are no different from his own kids.
- Avatar The Last Airbender: Parallel plots frequently point out that the hero, Aang, and Worthy Opponent, Prince Zuko, are not so different, but any stress spent over the situation pre-Heel Face Turn was on the dark Anti Villain prince's part, not the hero's. Zuko and Sokka also get their Not So Different episode in "The Boiling Rock."
- In the finale of the second season of Justice League Unlimited, the heroes face Alternate Universe Evil Twins of themselves. Superman's evil twin taunts him as being Not So Different from him: "Power corrupts, after all, and who has more power than Superman?" This is followed by Superman following the trope exactly by shouting: "I'm not like you! I'm nothing like you!"
- Vlad Plasmius, being Danny Phantom's Evil Counterpart, loves messing with him this way:
Plasmius: Sneak attack — very good, Daniel. You're getting more like me with every battle.
Danny: I am NOTHING like you!
Plasmius: Oh, you're not? Using your powers to get back at people you don't like? Throwing the first punch? You're more like me than you know.
- Ben 10 and Kevin 11. While the former type was pleasantly averted in their Forced Prize Fight episode, the latter type started from Kevin's first appearance:
Ben: (under his breath) You don't care about anyone but yourself.
Kevin: You talking about me?
Ben: No. I'm talking about me!
- Kim and Shego of Kim Possible after the events of "Stop Team Go."
- Teen Titans likes this a lot.
- Slade is obsessively fond of doing this to Robin. because he wants to make Robin his
apprentice sidekick lover son. It always makes Robin go into a frenzy of rage, which is always fun for Slade, who just clearly enjoys messing with his head. This was the premise of the "Apprentice" episodes. Robin ponders near the end, "Focused, serious, determined...as much as I hate to admit it, he and I are kind of alike. But there's one big difference between me and Slade — He doesn't have any friends." Slade even manages to do this when he's dead in "Haunted" by making Robin act crazy and violent through drugs. He later taunts him by referring to them as "friends" when they team up in "The End".("I'm NOT your friend!") (Because he doesn't have any, remember?) Of course, Deathstroke Slade is not all that different from Robin's mentor Batman, with the key difference there being that, while they are both cold and meticulous, Slade is cruel and self serving while Batman is selfless and compassionate behind his ruthless exterior.
- Trigon also does this to Raven, calling her "daddy's little girl," with the double whammy of Because Destiny Says So.
- Brother Blood tries to do this to Cyborg, but it's not as effective as with Robin, because Cyborg is marginally sane. In fact, it's Brother Blood who takes this the most seriously, to the point that he makes himself into a cyborg to prove his point.
- In The Batman, villains try this on Batman with increasing frequency as the series goes on. To his credit (and the misfortune of said villains), Batman proves quite capable of rationally explaining the key differences while he beats the snot out of them.
- In Mighty Max, Norman confronts the semi-immortal that slaughtered his village centuries ago. Norman eventually defeats him and has him held over an effectively bottomless chasm when the villain, having a moment of Genre Savvy, triumphantly invokes this trope with the standard declaration of "If you kill me, you'll be just like me!" Norman just looks at him for a moment, before calmly stating "I can live with that" and dropping him. Aversion from the typical in that Norman never evinces a single bit of guilt over doing so, but then, he was never exactly the touchy-feely hero type in the first place.
- In an episode of The Venture Brothers, the Mighty Monarch deliberately invokes this trope, convincing the extremely naive Dean Venture that, if he reports the Monarch's actions, telling will make Dean JUST LIKE HIM!
- In Fairly Odd Parents with Remy and Crocker. Timmy has did Crocker's fairy spaz when he went back in time.
Timmy: Fairy Godparents!!!
Cosmo and Wanda: (smack and hit him)
Timmy: Thanks for not using the oar.
- When Timmy met Remy, Remy asked for him to wish his fairies away. Timmy said "You know what stinks about you, Remy? You're rich, you got godparents and you're still miserable. I know, at least, that I'm happier than you, Remy." Later, he says:
Wanda: What's wrong, Timmy?
Timmy: (as a dragon) I fell sorry for Remy. I wish I could help him.
Wanda: We can do that.
Timmy: (as a dragon) I wish Remy could spend more time with his parents.
- Also, Norm the Genie did it really subtly in 'Genie Meanie Menie Moe':
- The Not So Different is in the choice of words. He chose to say 'out-jerked' instead of outwitted or something like that, which meant he acknowledged both he and Timmy were Jerkasses.
- The Dark Lord Chuckles the Silly Piggy tries this against Dave The Barbarian. It ends up as a spoof of this trope.
Chuckles: We aren't so different, you and I. We are but twin sides of the same coin.
Dave: Uh, no we aren't.
Chuckles: ... You're right! What was I thinking?
- Lex Luthor in Justice League Unlimited proves himself a Genre Savvy thorn in the League's side by constantly pointing out in the in-universe media how his apparent attempts at reformation are not so different from the more Easily Forgiven exploits of League members: After all... Superman had been brainwashed by Darkseid into leading war on Metropolis, and Hawkgirl betrayed the entire planet to the Thannagarians... Why doesn't Lex deserve a second chance?
- Gargoyles - when Angela is injured by the Hunters, Goliath goes on a psycho-vengeance rampage. Demona uses these exact words.
- Parodied in the first episode of Pinky and the Brain as a stand-alone series when the government agent responsible for tracking down the ROV Pinky and the Brain have stolen tells Brain this. Brain points out that he is a genetically engineered lab mouse bent on world domination.
- In Beast Machines, when Rattrap agrees to defend Megatron for a night in exchange for weapons (It Makes Sense In Context), Megatron tries to entice him to change sides by saying "You have the makings of a fine Vehicon." Rattrap eventually defies him, saying "Not from where I'm standing".
- In a later episode, Optimus Primal intends to use the Plasma Energy Chamber to shut down all technological systems on Cybertron. Cheetor points out that this is no different to Megatron.
- In Turtles Forever it's shown that the 1987, and 1987 worlds are very different from each other, but, as
Ch'rell Oroku Saki Duke Acureds Destroyer of worlds the 2003 Shredder says...
The Shredder: Two turtle teams from two turtle worlds, different in so many ways...but deep down, there are similarities.
Toys
- When Toa Matoro from Bionicle found himself forced to team up with Big Bad Makuta, Makuta was amused at the way Matoro got out of a certain situation: After using his Mask of Reanimation to use sea creature corpses to fight off Pridak's army of sharks, he was convinced he should have thrown away the mask and never used it. Makuta's response?
Makuta: Why so quiet? We have seen death and destruction today with the promise of much more to come. We have seen heroes behaving like villains. You yourself have done things even I would be reluctant to do. It is a time for celebration.
Matoro: Shut up! I'm doing only what I have to do to save the life of Mata Nui, a life you put in jeopardy.
Makuta: Think what you like, little Toa, and try to avoid admitting to yourself that you are one bad day, one moment of cruelty, one fit of rage away from being me.
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