I'm the one who added that. Now that you mention it, I guess it is more like a Plot Hole, though why I put it under Voodoo Shark is it seems to make what happened before no longer make sense.
Hi, Bootlebat. Thanks for chiming in!
Totally understandable. But as I understand it, something only qualifies as a Voodoo Shark if it was added as an explanation or clarification for something that didn't make sense (or raised questions) to begin with.
The introduction of the Final Order isn't directly related to any plot points that came up in the first two movies, so I don't think it fits.
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I feel the "Holdo Maneuver" one should still apply. The bit about the Death Star is out of place of course and the entry should be adjusted but the justification comes across heavily as this trope.
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Finn being Force-sensitive and Palpatine being evil without the Jedi realizing have been argued to be re-added.
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The examples in question were about the Jedi not sensing Palpatine's evil or that of the Sith for the millennium before him, and about what Finn was going to tell Rey in The Rise of Skywalker.
Anyone else want to weigh in? (I'm in favor of keeping said examples.)
I agreed with the proposal to delete them, hence why I deleted them. Neither of them is really a plot hole, and the answers given via Word of God do provide answers to them, even if some fans are dissatisfied with those answers.
Voodoo Shark, if I understand right, is about a plot hole that the creators couldn't just take out because it was too important to the plot, but their attempt to answer it just dug them deeper into a hole of even more questions. The Finn thing is more like a dangling plot thread they didn't wrap up; "Finn wants to tell Rey something" could've been taken out without creating a plot hole. The answer provided ties up this film's strong hints and The Force Awakens' implications that he is Force sensitive, though the timing of his trying to tell Rey came off like something else.
The Palpatine thing is more like nitpicking that the films were not explicit about something that could be inferred, ex. Mace wondering if they should reveal their diminished abilities, the dark side clouding things... It isn't a plot hole that the Sith had ways of staying hidden for so long.
^ I agree. And sorry about the poor quality of my first comment in this discussion.
This doesn't seem like an example of a Voodoo Shark to me; it just seems like a regular Plot Hole. As I understand it, a Voodoo Shark is a specific type of Plot Hole that arises when creators attempt to answer a previously unanswered question, or resolve a pre-existing plot hole. But how is "Palpatine has a fleet of Star Destroyers on Exegol" an answer to an unanswered question? What plot hole was it supposed to resolve?
While I'd agree that the "Final Order" has major issues as a plot point, it seems like its biggest problem is that it comes out of nowhere, and its existence isn't foreshadowed or set up in the previous two films. So it seems more like an Ass Pull than a Voodoo Shark.
Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?
- The beginning reveals that Palpatine has created a huge armada of Star Destroyers on Exegol, each of which has a planet-destroyer superlaser just as powerful as the original Death Star's was. This raises two huge problems:
- Why did he have the First Order bother building the Starkiller Base instead of just using the armada? The only advantages the Base has is that its Superweapon can shoot multiple shots at a time, and that it can shoot through hyperspace, giving it a really long range. The first one isn't that great, considering it has to consume an entire star as power source each time it wants to fire it's superweapon, whereas the Star Destroyer's superlasers are powered by the ship's reactors, like with the Death Star. The second one is a bit better, but Palpatine could have still achieved just as much by simply sending a different Star Destroyer to each planet and blow them all up, as he plans to do anyway in this movie.
- Where did he get all the materials and manpower to build all of them? The only feasible way to get enough would be to have the First Order/Final Order stripmine entire solar systems, which both seems unlikely that it would go unnoticed and makes building the Starkiller Base make even less sense, as that would just use up more resources he could use to make more Star Destoyers.
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