You're not active here anymore but answering for the sake of reference: not even close. While the scale as a whole is probably callibrated a bit too much in favour of softer music, 11 is reserved for stuff that's actually outside of what most people consider musical: noise and genres with similar ethos. That's just a somewhat hardcore influenced thrash track: the vocals are aggressive but perfectly intellegible, chords are easily identifiable and within the regular canon of metal, etc.
Is it just me, or is brostep in general a little too high on the scale? If I was doing this without input from others, I'd have something like Bass Cannon (a legitimately hard brostep example) at a 9, and something like Ragga Bomb at a 6-7. It's noisy for sure, but I'm not sure that's the same thing as intense. Both are listed as 11, and there are other similar examples. 11 for me is more borderline harsh noise that's very intimidating to listen to, not stuff that could be listened to at a party.
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Yeah, I was coming here to say this. There's absolutely no way in hell Bass Cannon is a fucking 11. An 11 doesn't sound like music anymore, which Bass Cannon totally does; I wouldn't even call it a 10, frankly, because Flux is actually noteworthy for not brickwalling the hell out of his drops and having a more melodic character to them.
Just comparing Bass Cannon to a true level 11 dubstep track, Ego Death by Xtrullor https://youtu.be/TZeuNHMjifU
, Bass Cannon just isnt relentless enough or abrasive enough to be an 11. I would also put Bass Cannon at a hard 9 because the noise is just so consistent that it actually reduces the hardness from a 10 to a 9.
Listened to "Balefire" by SMOR3S, among others, and I don't think some of these dubstep examples belong on level 11. I believe that dubstep has generally been misjudged on the scale, and that, considering some placements that people may or may not agree with, practically any song can be at the very high end of the scale without it sounding like other songs on that level. Thankfully, some songs have already been lowered down (such as "Swagga" by Datsik and Excision, which was moved down to level 6, and feels like a better placement for me).
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On the same vein, Destroid 11. Get Stupid is ranked at a borderline 11. I think it should be a 5-6. kirby007, what do you think?
Sorry for the late reply, but I just listened to it and I think around level 6 would do fine.
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I don't think that the one track by "nightcore heaven" on this side of the scale can be considered a level 10; at least there is reasoning for why it's at this level, but it doesn't sound like a level 10 example to me. Compare it to examples by Dj-Nate and Venetian Snares at that level (which are either ridiculously quick and/or have harsh or fast drums), and the heaviness doesn't match at all. I'd say it be at least a 4 and at best a 6.
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Comparing it to "Ultraviolent Junglist," to use one of your examples, that song is probably harder, but I don't think it's anywhere near as great a difference as you seem to do. While that song is definitely harsher than the nightcore heaven track, the latter I would say is possibly even more chaotic (and a similar speed) and the glitched up main melody gives the track a very disorienting sound to it; it's also completely unrelenting, whereas the Venetian Snares track has more breathing room. I've considered dropping it to a 9 (I added it considering it a soft 10) but your new suggestion is far too low.
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Alright, I understand the reasoning (which is probably why "STRUCTURE" is on this level, too). Even though I've been adding songs to the scale for a while now, I'm still pretty new to this system, and I might consider a certain song to be on a certain level while others may think it is on a different level. So, what might be a 10 in my book may be an 8 or 9 (or going the other way, an 11) in someone else's opinion. It's especially so with rock/metal tracks; I haven't listened to enough metal on the higher ends on the scale to add any definitive examples of those genres on those levels. A good portion of the examples I've added on levels 10-11 are up there almost exclusively due to the insanely disturbing moods, though some of them do have peaks in harshness.
I will put it at 9. I think the song is too "happy" to be put any higher.
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Why are the Daft Punk tracks "Rock and Roll" and "Rollin' and Scratchin'" up here? I've listened to both of them and I'd rank them as a 3. Probably lower. So why are they here?
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It seems a lot of people think "no real melody = Automatic 10 or 11". There's also a few songs from videogame soundtracks which are mostly, y'know, background music. And if being based primarily around atonal synths automatically means heavy, there's a freaking Paul McCartney song that should be on here.
Yeah, I was confused as to why certain tracks from Silent Hill 2 were on here, since it's just background music/used for atmosphere.
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Not to mention there are a few tracks that have no right being 11s. For example "The Only Thing I Know For Real" isn't even the heaviest track in Metal Gear Rising Revengence (that would be [["Villain Song Collective Consciousness]]" which is listed as a 10).
I also don't think the examples from Foozogz are even 7s let alone an 11. When I think an 11, I think "heavy, chaotic, brutal, dissonant, ect" and those tracks definitely aren't that. Also agree that neither loud synths nor atonality (and definitely not "I can't hum it") means 10 or 11.
See my above post for more details on things I want to change. May I at least remove the Foozogz examples?
There has got to be a place here for Alien Vampires:
https://youtu.be/bwLUDZe-VjE?list=PLLAz8HyMBG_moG4GPAEIyeoLLLCH0SFg1
https://youtu.be/R5Dk8QJiGVc?list=PLLAz8HyMBG_k4YiDz3ZQDJRyyU_IsEJkj
https://youtu.be/IEA4C58QF8A
https://youtu.be/05WUsqK-s_I?list=PLLAz8HyMBG_k4YiDz3ZQDJRyyU_IsEJkj
https://youtu.be/Lag4sHRaaow?list=PLLAz8HyMBG_kFsID6QnWo4BTIe5LUhFS3
https://youtu.be/IjSMIlQESdE
I love the Descent series, but the two songs listed under the Descent (Mac/Playstation) soundtrack are 6, maybe 7? The only thing that would get them even that high is a bit of industrial chug, and even that is pretty light.
Same with the Fallout soundtrack entry.
On the topic of "Rollin' and Scratchin'" and "Rock and Roll": They are WAY too harsh and abrasive for level 3, but maybe not harsh enough for level 11. Some parts might momentarily reach 11 (especially in "Rock and Roll"), but I don't think those sections are enough to determine the overall placement of the songs. "Rollin and Scratchin'" maintains a steady heaviness until the climax, though it drops down again, and "Rock and Roll" gets progressively harder and more insane over time. I'd say those two songs belong in the 8-9 range, but for now, I'll leave them be.
Here's a Black Metal song that should be an 11, or at LEAST a Borderline 11. The Riffing is totally Insane. It's Very Harsh and Loud and just all around utterly Vicious
Tsjuder - Eriphion Epistates [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWAWiyhX38]
Is it okay if we switch the spots of the versions of 'Agitated Screams of Maggots' by Dir En Grey? The acoustic version might have harsher vocals but the instruments are more along the lines of a 4 or lower. The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-wVe6HzNG4 normal version is instrumentally more chaotic and employs lots of distortion. The normal version's vocals are also almost as harsh. What do you guys think.
Also where do we put "Suicide Note Part 2" because there's been quite a bit of debate on whether it's a 10 or 11 (could be either); Same with "Come to Daddy" by Aphex Twin. Both double as Awesome Music
Should Takyon be lifted? It's pretty loud but I wouldn't put it up there as a 10, and Inanimate Sensation is more non-conventional than heavy.
Anyone think that Disciple by Slayer should be an 11? 10s are supposed to still be at least a little "musical", but Disciple is just all out abrasive. No clean vocals, no breaks with calm parts, etc.
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