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Nov 1st 2011 at 12:41:24 PM •••

Got a question. I know that in multiple adaptations, Dantes has a Beard of Evil as the Count, but was clean-shaven before imprisonment. Trying to remember whether or not this was the case in the original. Iirc, I think it was (I know he has a beard as the Count, but can't remember if he did pre-imprisonment).

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Nov 1st 2011 at 4:32:47 PM •••

If he were an example, you'd remember it, wouldn't you? Because it would have to be significant and symbolic, and not just a minor detail mentioned in passing.

Jan 9th 2011 at 9:40:31 AM •••

Is there a version in which : Valentine dies from the poison, Maximillien hangs himself and Albert and the count go on with their duel, killing each other?

If you're wondering why, chalk it up to True Art Is Angsty.

Jan 9th 2011 at 8:46:18 AM •••

We seem to have a disagreement, and rather than have an edit war we should sort it out here, on the discussion page, which is what the discussion page is here for.

I'll start:

The Count of Monte Cristo is clearly a Type IV Anti Hero. The Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes describes this as the "Pay Evil unto Evil Type-Anti Hero", which is him right there.

(It also mentions that the Type IV anti-hero "veers in the direction of Villain Protagonist" and that it's "the Base Breaker point" where people start to disagree about whether the character is a hero at all — which is presumably why this discussion has become necessary.)

Other features of the Type IV anti-hero mentioned in the write-up include "demonstrating kindness and likability on a number of occasions", which the Count does, and "may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and morph into a straight hero over the course of the story [or at least] shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good Type" — which the Count also does.

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Jan 9th 2011 at 4:07:49 PM •••

Count hurt to innocent people, even the evil guys feel regret.

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Jan 9th 2011 at 5:55:15 PM •••

The Count's plans never included injury to anybody he recognised as innocent. (I admit that his concept of guilt included several people that most readers would consider innocent bystanders, but I still think this is an important distinction.) And when his one of his plans resulted in the unplanned death of somebody he did consider an innocent, that's when he had his Heel Realization and stopped killing people, even letting the last of his enemies live.

Some of the evil guys do feel regret, but it doesn't make any difference to the way they behave. The Count, when he realizes that he's Doing It Wrong, takes action to straighten himself up.

Dec 19th 2010 at 7:18:33 PM •••

I am rather confused as to how Eugenie is a lesbian...? When I read the book, everything about her screamed "asexual" to me. Though as an asexual myself, I could just be projecting.

Jul 7th 2010 at 5:12:34 PM •••

I wouldn't say Caderousse is one of the men targeted by the vengeance of the Count. Although he didn't like Dantès much, he wasn't willing to take part in the plot against him. The count says "One" when Caderousse dies, but he hadn't really taken any action against him, on the contrary.

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Jul 7th 2010 at 5:26:43 PM •••

That's true- even though Caderousse was responsible for letting Dantes' father starve to death, Dantes still helps him later on for reasons which escape me (even after the guy murdered two people).

Jun 19th 2010 at 8:50:11 PM •••

RE the Miniseries- I'm pretty positive that Dantes and Mercedes don't get together in that version. There's an original character, Camille De La Richardais, that Dantes does go off with (rather than Haydee), but Mercedes becomes a nun, just like in the novel.

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