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HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
Oct 1st 2015 at 1:12:51 PM •••

@Spinosegnosaurus77 uncommented some commented-out Zero Context Examples for Mighty Glacier:

Placerias:

  • Mighty Glacier: Bigger and bulkier than most of the local predators, but "desperately slow".

Diplodocus:

  • Mighty Glacier: As an adult, it is too large and heavy to move particularly fast, but given their great size, they don't really need it.

The problem I have with these examples is that Mighty Glacier is defined as both 1.) strong, and 2.) slow. Both these examples explain that they're slow, but they use size or weight as a shorthand for strength, when those aren't really the same thing.

I don't want an edit war, so let's work this out. Are these creatures strong, and if so, how can these examples be reworded so as to make that clear to the reader?

All help appreciated.

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HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
Oct 2nd 2015 at 8:24:59 AM •••

Since I haven't gotten any response yet, I'm going to go ahead and re-comment those examples out for now. Not being an expert on dinosaurs myself, I'm honestly not sure if they qualify or not; if they do, let's figure out how to make the examples more clear. Thanks!

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
Oct 2nd 2015 at 10:06:37 AM •••

After looking more closely at the Placerias, its Dumb Muscle entry says that it's "brawny" and has sharp tusks, which does make it sound strong as well as simply large. Let's use that. Maybe something like:

  • Mighty Glacier: Between its size, strength, and sharp tusks, it's too much for most of the local predators to tackle, but it's also desperately slow.

Sound good?

The other example looks fine as-is. Thanks for being willing to work with me on this. It might seem like I'm picking nits, but Mighty Glacier gets misused a lot, and I'm hoping that being more careful about how we provide context for examples might improve that.

PCAwesomeness Since: May, 2015
May 29th 2015 at 11:36:36 AM •••

May I show all of the unused tropes?

Edited by PCAwesomeness
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
Aug 20th 2014 at 11:04:07 AM •••

Moved these items here. Science Marches on is now a Trivia tab item, and this series already has a whole subpage which contains most of these. I've listed these here for posterity and any further sorting.

  • Coelophysis : Research since the documentary was made has revealed that there is no evidence for Coelophysis being a cannibal. The "babies" found in their gut were probably just smaller reptiles they had eaten.
  • Cynodonts: The cynodonts shown are based on the discovery of two cynodont-like teeth from the Chinle Formation. However, detailed examination has found that these teeth cannot be confidently assigned to cynodonts.
  • Plateosaurus: Biomechanical studies have shown that Plateosaurus was fully bipedal rather than the facultatively quadrupedal animal shown.
  • Ornitholestes: Ornitholestes did not actually have a nasal crest. It would have almost certainly been more extensively feathered as well.
  • Anurognathus: Recent evidence suggests that angurognathid pterosaurs were nocturnal and caught insects on the fly rather than perching on sauropod dinosaurs.
  • Cryptoclidus: Plesiosaurs probably did not crawl onto land, especially considering they are now known to have given live birth.
  • Ornithocheirus: Tropeognathus may be the correct name for the pterosaur shown.
    • Additionally, the narrator claims that the Ornithocheirus has to keep his fur dry at all times. It is now known that ornithocheirid pterosaurs were not only adequate swimmers, but also quite capable of launching from the water if they needed to.
  • Tapejara: The species shown is now in the genus Tupandactylus.
  • Iguanodon: The North American remains of "Iguanodon" are now thought to represent separate genera.
  • Iberomesornis: Enantiornithines did not have tail fans like modern birds do, instead having two long feathers (most of the time). In addition, all known enantiornithine nests (and phylogenetic bracketing) suggest they were ground nesters.
  • Leaellynasaura: Some unpublished remains suggest Leaellynasaura had an extremely long tail.
  • Tyrannosaurus rex: The evidence that female Tyrannosaurus were larger than the males is circumstantial at best. The discovery of the large feathered tyrannosauroid Yutyrannus'' also suggests even large coelurosaurs were feathered.
  • Anatotitan: Now considered to be the same as Anatosaurus/Edmontosaurus annectens.
  • Torosaurus: May be the same as Triceratops.
  • Quetzalcoatlus: Azhdarchid pterosaurs were almost certainly ground stalkers rather than fish-eating animals.
  • Gastornis: Some argue that it may have actually been mostly herbivorous.
  • Titanomyrma: Was known as "Formicium" giganteum when the series was aired.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
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