Discussion Characters / BaldursGateMainPartyMembers

If Heroes is produced by another company then it probably is somewhat questionable, especially as there are 4 sources (the TotSC save file, the auto name generator, the novels and Murder) state it is Abdel.

Eh. Heroes was written by James Ohlen, lead dev of BG 1 and 2, and WOTC let him publish it with the name Baldur's Gate and Minsc on the cover. That seems sufficiently Word of God / Approval of God-ish enough to me. But what exactly is it you want to change? I don't see any issue with adding more tropes about Abdel as needed, like the entries for Revan or the Exile on the KOTOR pages, but I don't think we need to limit tropes to the 'canon' version or anything. We're troping the work as it exists, not just official canon.

You don't think we should limit the Canon Name trope to canon versions????

I was more thinking of adding a [[note]] about how Heroes may be correct or not.

Erm... Where did I say that? I was talking about the Charname section as a whole. Is Canon Name the only thing being changed?

"Is Canon Name the only thing being changed?"

That was the impression I got as that is the only part that mentions Heroes in relation to the name, unless I was misunderstanding the intent of the OP.

Could be me. If it's just about Canon Name, I don't really have a problem with clearing that up.

Sorry I should probably clarify my intent. This pertains to the most recent edit being removed.

• Happy Ending Override: In the 5th Edition of Forgotten Realms the canonical CHARNAME is attacked by Viekang, the only other remaining Bhaalspawn. Their resulting fight ultimately leads to CHARNAME's death and the resurrection of Bhaal.

The reason is in detail in edit history, but it basically boils down to a editor doubting they are the same person. I basically started this discussion to get a consensus on if it’s ok to re add as well as edit about Abdel in general.

Personally I think it’s fine, as like I said we have no reason to doubt they are the same person and plenty to clarify they are. I think it would be fine to add certain Abdel entries with clarification. Especially seeing as BG 3 is confirmed to be using both Murder and Decent as a prequel. I also agree we shouldn’t limit the tropes to canon but all possible options, however I see no issue clarifying canon.

So to clarify this isn’t really about Heroes and Canon Name(though the context should be clarified) rather if if it’s ok to do something similar to to Kotor and add some Abdel edits. I’m guessing based on above we don’t see a issue with it?

Oh, I see. Should've picked up on that, in retrospect. I edited the Happy Ending Override a little and re-added it, but we can edit it more as needed. But yeah, I don't have a problem with adding Abdel Adrian-specific information if it's being clear that it's specific to that version of Charname.

Thank you. The edit seems good and as you said, we can edit more as needed.

Not in my (unmodded) game. There are mods that prevent Edwin and the other characters from leaving. I have also heard it alleged that Edwin et al won't leave for a high reputation if the PC has high charisma, but I have used a PC with positively godlike charisma who yet needed to terrify her evil followers by intermittent Slayer transformations to keep the reputation score on 18.