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Getting a person who doesn\'t speak English to assist either isn\'t simple, or doesn\'t solve the problems. If he doesn\'t speak English, how do they speak to him at all to communicate what they\'re trying to do? Do they work through a translator, resulting in there being at least \'\'two\'\' people involved in the scheme who are outside contractors? If they\'re people coming off the street (Just walking into Chinatown and saying \
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Getting a person who doesn\\\'t speak English to assist either isn\\\'t simple, or doesn\\\'t solve the problems. If he doesn\\\'t speak English, how do they speak to him at all to communicate what they\\\'re trying to do? Do they work through a translator, resulting in there being at least \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' people involved in the scheme who are outside contractors? If they\\\'re people coming off the street (Just walking into Chinatown and saying \\\"hey, want to help kidnap a guy?\\\") what\\\'s to stop them from going to the cops and saying \\\"Some crazy people asked me to help kidnap a guy\\\". If they aim for hardened criminals, people they know would be willing to do this kind of work, where do they find them? None of the cast seem to have the criminal connections to hire non-English-speaking-thugs, even when Simpson decides to go for the killing moves (Before he goes insane) he calls in old comrades from his days in the special forces.
But let\\\'s say they do work it out somehow: Simpson\\\'s a cop, so he asks for favors from a friend at the department to put him in contact with some foreign criminal who\\\'s recently arrived in New York, and they get somebody else to set up the original meting and translate so they arrange everything in advance. We\\\'re now talking about a complicated scheme involving foreign criminal organizations, likely requiring large sums of money, with no guarantee they won\\\'t somehow betray you for their own ends because we\\\'re talking about criminals in the first place. That is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' the \\\"single, simple action\\\" of the trope. Sure, it \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' work, but it also has a thousand opportunities for normal, regular human problems to make it fall apart.
There are a hundred possible ways to counter Kilgrave\\\'s powers, I can think of several of them myself at need (Gas grenades to incapacitate him without needing to get as close required by a dart gun, substituting somebody into his cadre of thralls with the already-mentioned earphones to sneak up on him without him realizing that they\\\'re not controlled, some sort of a paralytic compound introduced into his food, etc.), but JustEatGilligan is not about \\\"There are \\\'\\\'ways\\\'\\\'\\\", it\\\'s about \\\"here\\\'s something front and center that is left lying fallow\\\". To go back to the TropeNamer, Gilligan is a problem in almost every single episode; he is constant and direct, and removing him from the situation changes EVERYTHING. That\\\'s why the trope is JustEatGilligan and not, for example, Just Build a Boat or Just Repair The Radio, which are certainly ways to solve the problem facing the cast (And less evil than cannibalizing somebody who just wants to help).
EDIT: Also, and here\\\'s the biggest part, they don\\\'t \\\'\\\'need\\\'\\\' to do any of these things. Their problems aren\\\'t that Kilgrave gets his powers into them, it\\\'s that they can\\\'t get to \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\'. First it\\\'s that they can\\\'t find him, then they discover he has hired security guards, and then they didn\\\'t prepare for betrayal from one of their own. Except for his escape from the holding cell there wasn\\\'t a single point in the entire series where Kilgrave\\\'s powers being used on the main cast was what defeated them. Not once. All of their precautions \\\'\\\'\\\'worked\\\'\\\'\\\'. In what circumstance except for that escape, which did come about from the unplanned betrayal, would any additional anti-Kilgrave-devices (Like the non-English speaker or the headphones) have helped? In this series they have, in essence, eaten Gilligan because they did take effective, working precautions.
But let\\\'s say they do work it out somehow: Simpson\\\'s a cop, so he asks for favors from a friend at the department to put him in contact with some foreign criminal who\\\'s recently arrived in New York, and they get somebody else to set up the original meting and translate so they arrange everything in advance. We\\\'re now talking about a complicated scheme involving foreign criminal organizations, likely requiring large sums of money, with no guarantee they won\\\'t somehow betray you for their own ends because we\\\'re talking about criminals in the first place. That is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' the \\\"single, simple action\\\" of the trope. Sure, it \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' work, but it also has a thousand opportunities for normal, regular human problems to make it fall apart.
There are a hundred possible ways to counter Kilgrave\\\'s powers, I can think of several of them myself at need (Gas grenades to incapacitate him without needing to get as close required by a dart gun, substituting somebody into his cadre of thralls with the already-mentioned earphones to sneak up on him without him realizing that they\\\'re not controlled, some sort of a paralytic compound introduced into his food, etc.), but JustEatGilligan is not about \\\"There are \\\'\\\'ways\\\'\\\'\\\", it\\\'s about \\\"here\\\'s something front and center that is left lying fallow\\\". To go back to the TropeNamer, Gilligan is a problem in almost every single episode; he is constant and direct, and removing him from the situation changes EVERYTHING. That\\\'s why the trope is JustEatGilligan and not, for example, Just Build a Boat or Just Repair The Radio, which are certainly ways to solve the problem facing the cast (And less evil than cannibalizing somebody who just wants to help).
EDIT: Also, and here\\\'s the biggest part, they don\\\'t \\\'\\\'need\\\'\\\' to do any of these things. Their problems aren\\\'t that Kilgrave gets his powers into them, it\\\'s that they can\\\'t get to \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\'. First it\\\'s that they can\\\'t find him, then they discover he has hired security guards, and then they didn\\\'t prepare for betrayal from one of their own. Except for his escape from the holding cell there wasn\\\'t a single point in the entire series where Kilgrave\\\'s powers being used on the main cast was what defeated them. Not once. All of their precautions \\\'\\\'\\\'worked\\\'\\\'\\\'. In what circumstance except for that escape, which did come about from the unplanned betrayal, would any additional anti-Kilgrave-devices (Like the non-English speaker or the headphones) have helped? In this series they have, in essence, eaten Gilligan because they did take effective, working precautions.
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Getting a person who doesn\'t speak English to assist either isn\'t simple, or doesn\'t solve the problems. If he doesn\'t speak English, how do they speak to him at all to communicate what they\'re trying to do? Do they work through a translator, resulting in there being at least \'\'two\'\' people involved in the scheme who are outside contractors? If they\'re people coming off the street (Just walking into Chinatown and saying \
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Getting a person who doesn\\\'t speak English to assist either isn\\\'t simple, or doesn\\\'t solve the problems. If he doesn\\\'t speak English, how do they speak to him at all to communicate what they\\\'re trying to do? Do they work through a translator, resulting in there being at least \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' people involved in the scheme who are outside contractors? If they\\\'re people coming off the street (Just walking into Chinatown and saying \\\"hey, want to help kidnap a guy?\\\") what\\\'s to stop them from going to the cops and saying \\\"Some crazy people asked me to help kidnap a guy\\\". If they aim for hardened criminals, people they know would be willing to do this kind of work, where do they find them? None of the cast seem to have the criminal connections to hire non-English-speaking-thugs, even when Simpson decides to go for the killing moves (Before he goes insane) he calls in old comrades from his days in the special forces.
But let\\\'s say they do work it out somehow: Simpson\\\'s a cop, so he asks for favors from a friend at the department to put him in contact with some foreign criminal who\\\'s recently arrived in New York, and they get somebody else to set up the original meting and translate so they arrange everything in advance. We\\\'re now talking about a complicated scheme involving foreign criminal organizations, likely requiring large sums of money, with no guarantee they won\\\'t somehow betray you for their own ends because we\\\'re talking about criminals in the first place. That is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' the \\\"single, simple action\\\" of the trope. Sure, it \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' work, but it also has a thousand opportunities for normal, regular human problems to make it fall apart.
There are a hundred possible ways to counter Kilgrave\\\'s powers, I can think of several of them myself at need (Gas grenades to incapacitate him without needing to get as close required by a dart gun, substituting somebody into his cadre of thralls with the already-mentioned earphones to sneak up on him without him realizing that they\\\'re not controlled, some sort of a paralytic compound introduced into his food, etc.), but JustEatGilligan is not about \\\"There are \\\'\\\'ways\\\'\\\'\\\", it\\\'s about \\\"here\\\'s something front and center that is left lying fallow\\\". To go back to the TropeNamer, Gilligan is a problem in almost every single episode; he is constant and direct, and removing him from the situation changes EVERYTHING. That\\\'s why the trope is JustEatGilligan and not, for example, Just Build a Boat or Just Repair The Radio, which are certainly ways to solve the problem facing the cast (And less evil than cannibalizing somebody who just wants to help).
But let\\\'s say they do work it out somehow: Simpson\\\'s a cop, so he asks for favors from a friend at the department to put him in contact with some foreign criminal who\\\'s recently arrived in New York, and they get somebody else to set up the original meting and translate so they arrange everything in advance. We\\\'re now talking about a complicated scheme involving foreign criminal organizations, likely requiring large sums of money, with no guarantee they won\\\'t somehow betray you for their own ends because we\\\'re talking about criminals in the first place. That is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' the \\\"single, simple action\\\" of the trope. Sure, it \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' work, but it also has a thousand opportunities for normal, regular human problems to make it fall apart.
There are a hundred possible ways to counter Kilgrave\\\'s powers, I can think of several of them myself at need (Gas grenades to incapacitate him without needing to get as close required by a dart gun, substituting somebody into his cadre of thralls with the already-mentioned earphones to sneak up on him without him realizing that they\\\'re not controlled, some sort of a paralytic compound introduced into his food, etc.), but JustEatGilligan is not about \\\"There are \\\'\\\'ways\\\'\\\'\\\", it\\\'s about \\\"here\\\'s something front and center that is left lying fallow\\\". To go back to the TropeNamer, Gilligan is a problem in almost every single episode; he is constant and direct, and removing him from the situation changes EVERYTHING. That\\\'s why the trope is JustEatGilligan and not, for example, Just Build a Boat or Just Repair The Radio, which are certainly ways to solve the problem facing the cast (And less evil than cannibalizing somebody who just wants to help).
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Getting a person who doesn\'t speak English to assist either isn\'t simple, or doesn\'t solve the problems. If he doesn\'t speak English, how do they speak to him at all to communicate what they\'re trying to do? Do they work through a translator, resulting in there being at least \'\'two\'\' people involved in the scheme who are outside contractors? If they\'re people coming off the street (Just walking into CHinatown and saying \
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Getting a person who doesn\\\'t speak English to assist either isn\\\'t simple, or doesn\\\'t solve the problems. If he doesn\\\'t speak English, how do they speak to him at all to communicate what they\\\'re trying to do? Do they work through a translator, resulting in there being at least \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' people involved in the scheme who are outside contractors? If they\\\'re people coming off the street (Just walking into Chinatown and saying \\\"hey, want to help kidnap a guy?\\\") what\\\'s to stop them from going to the cops and saying \\\"Some crazy people asked me to help kidnap a guy\\\". If they aim for hardened criminals, people they know would be willing to do this kind of work, where do they find them? None of the cast seem to have the criminal connections to hire non-English-speaking-thugs, even when Simpson decides to go for the killing moves (Before he goes insane) he calls in old comrades from his days in the special forces.
But let\\\'s say they do work it out somehow: Simpson\\\'s a cop, so he asks for favors from a friend at the department to put him in contact with some foreign criminal who\\\'s recently arrived in New York, and they get somebody else to set up the original meting and translate so they arrange everything in advance. We\\\'re now talking about a complicated scheme involving foreign criminal organizations, likely requiring large sums of money, with no guarantee they won\\\'t somehow betray you for their own ends because we\\\'re talking about criminals in the first place. That is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' the \\\"single, simple action\\\" of the trope. Sure, it \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' work, but but it also has a thousand opportunities for normal, regular human problems to make it fall apart.
There are a hundred possible ways to counter Kilgrave\\\'s powers, I can think of several of them myself at need (Gas grenades to incapacitate him without needing to get as close required by a dart gun, substituting somebody into his cadre of thralls with the already-mentioned earphones to sneak up on him without him realizing that they\\\'re not controlled, some sort of a paralytic compound introduced into his food, etc.), but JustEatGilligan is not about \\\"There are \\\'\\\'ways\\\'\\\'\\\", it\\\'s about \\\"here\\\'s something front and center that is left lying fallow\\\". To go back to the TropeNamer, Gilligan is a problem in almost every single episode; he is constant and direct, and removing him from the situation changes EVERYTHING. That\\\'s why the trope is JustEatGilligan and not, for example, Just Build a Boat or Just Repair The Radio, which are certainly ways to solve the problem facing the cast (And less evil than cannibalizing somebody who just wants to help).
But let\\\'s say they do work it out somehow: Simpson\\\'s a cop, so he asks for favors from a friend at the department to put him in contact with some foreign criminal who\\\'s recently arrived in New York, and they get somebody else to set up the original meting and translate so they arrange everything in advance. We\\\'re now talking about a complicated scheme involving foreign criminal organizations, likely requiring large sums of money, with no guarantee they won\\\'t somehow betray you for their own ends because we\\\'re talking about criminals in the first place. That is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' the \\\"single, simple action\\\" of the trope. Sure, it \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' work, but but it also has a thousand opportunities for normal, regular human problems to make it fall apart.
There are a hundred possible ways to counter Kilgrave\\\'s powers, I can think of several of them myself at need (Gas grenades to incapacitate him without needing to get as close required by a dart gun, substituting somebody into his cadre of thralls with the already-mentioned earphones to sneak up on him without him realizing that they\\\'re not controlled, some sort of a paralytic compound introduced into his food, etc.), but JustEatGilligan is not about \\\"There are \\\'\\\'ways\\\'\\\'\\\", it\\\'s about \\\"here\\\'s something front and center that is left lying fallow\\\". To go back to the TropeNamer, Gilligan is a problem in almost every single episode; he is constant and direct, and removing him from the situation changes EVERYTHING. That\\\'s why the trope is JustEatGilligan and not, for example, Just Build a Boat or Just Repair The Radio, which are certainly ways to solve the problem facing the cast (And less evil than cannibalizing somebody who just wants to help).
