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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\'re just sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\'t mean it\'s just \
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\\\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\\\'re just sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s just \\\"sexist against women.\\\" It\\\'s still sexist against men to give them a privilege women don\\\'t have (and vice versa). All the examples here are technically sexist toward both men and women, regardless of which sex they appear to favor.

Plus, there\\\'s an implied false equivalency that somehow society is equally bad toward men and women, when women generally get the worse deal in modern Western society and therefore in its media. Most things which appear to be worse toward men in practice are based on anti-woman attitudes (like, the reason women are more likely to get custody of kids in divorce is because it\\\'s seen as the woman\\\'s responsibility to raise children. Men tend to have more \\\"work\\\" to do in relationships because of the idea that men are stronger than women and therefore should make the decisions in a relationship/family). There\\\'s very little awareness of this in the way things are listed here, though.

So I think it would be better if we just got rid of the problematic categorization and listed all the different tropes alphabetically, without regard for how they apply toward men or women or whatever. (As for the other categories, a lot of the stuff in the \\\"sexist in execution but not in nature\\\" category is very YourMileageMayVary. Like, I have trouble seeing how the notion that all good men are gay isn\\\'t completely sexist in nature.)
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\'re just sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\'t mean it\'s just \
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\\\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\\\'re just sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s just \\\"sexist against women.\\\" It\\\'s still sexist against men to give them a privilege women don\\\'t have (and vice versa). All the examples here are technically sexist toward both men and women, regardless of which sex they appear to favor.

Plus, there\\\'s an implied false equivalency that somehow society is equally bad toward men and women, when women generally get the worse deal in modern Western society and therefore in its media. Most things which appear to be worse toward men in practice are based on anti-woman attitudes (like, the reason women are more likely to get custody of kids in divorce is because it\\\'s seen as the woman\\\'s responsibility to raise children. Men tend to have more \\\"work\\\" to do in relationships because of the idea that men are stronger than women and therefore should make the decisions in a relationship/family). There\\\'s very little awareness of this in the way things are listed here, though.

So I think it would be better if we just got rid of the problematic categorization and listed all the different tropes alphabetically, without regard for how they apply toward men or women or whatever. (As for the other categories, a lot of the stuff in the \\\"not always sexist\\\" category is very YourMileageMayVary.)
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\'re sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\'t mean it\'s just \
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\\\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\\\'re just sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s just \\\"sexist against women.\\\" It\\\'s still sexist against men to give them a privilege women don\\\'t have (and vice versa). All the examples here are technically sexist toward both men and women, regardless of which sex they appear to favor.

Plus, there\\\'s an implied false equivalency that somehow society is equally bad toward men and women, when women generally get the worse deal in modern Western society and therefore in its media. Most things which appear to be worse toward men in practice are based on anti-woman attitudes (like, the reason women are more likely to get custody of kids in divorce is because it\\\'s seen as the woman\\\'s responsibility to protect the family. Men tend to have more \\\"work\\\" to do in relationships because of the idea that men are stronger than women and therefore should make the decisions in a relationship/family). There\\\'s very little awareness of this in the way things are listed here, though.

So I think it would be better if we just got rid of the problematic categorization and listed all the different tropes alphabetically, without regard for how they apply toward men or women or whatever. (As for the other categories, a lot of the stuff in the \\\"not always sexist\\\" category is very YourMileageMayVary.)
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\'t either sexist against just men or just women; whether it appears to favor men or women it\'s technically sexist against both.
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I think the language in this list is confusing. Things aren\\\'t either sexist against just men or just women, they\\\'re sexist. Even if, say, men appear to benefit from a certain type of sexism, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s just \\\"sexist against women.\\\" It means it\\\'s just sexist, period. Even those who appear to come out on top are still technically victims of sexism. So the terminology in this list is wrong and needs to be fixed.
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I also think it\'s problematic to further the idea that either sex benefits from sexism in any way, by categorizing sexism as either \
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Plus, there\\\'s a false equivalency that somehow society is equally bad toward men and women, when women generally get the worse deal in modern Western society and therefore in its media. Most things which appear to be worse toward men in practice are based on anti-woman attitudes (like, the reason women are more likely to get custody of kids in divorce is because it\\\'s seen as the woman\\\'s responsibility to protect the family. Men tend to have more \\\"work\\\" to do in relationships because of the idea that men are stronger than women and therefore should make the decisions in a relationship/family). There\\\'s very little awareness of this in the way things are listed here, though.

So I think it would be better if we just got rid of the problematic categorization and listed all the different tropes alphabetically, without regard for how they apply toward men or women or whatever. (As for the other categories, a lot of the stuff in the \\\"not always sexist\\\" category is very YourMileageMayVary.)
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