Discussion WMG / FriendsAndTheHighCouncil

I know The Enchantress is very controversial. Perhaps well intentioned extremist?

Hmm, but what does that say about her alignment? Do you think she's with the Friends, or just an unaligned spell caster?

Good call! I have Waternoose as working with the Friends, but I'll edit in Sully and Mike when I get the chance, unless someone else beats me to it.

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Of 20000LeaguesUnderTheSea? Well, it's been awhile since I saw the movie, but I'd imagine he'd be more of a free agent, Chaotic Neutral as opposed to picking one side. I don't remember everything he did, nut he might fill the High Council better.

Don't worry about asking question, btw, it's no problem.

Well, he built a nuclear submarine for the sole purpose of attacking ships and making people think there was a killer narwhal on the loose, (Swear to God, I am not making this up.), but he does strike me as being a neutral character, similar to his fellow pirates Barbossa and Long John.

Ah, forgot about that. Yeah, he's definitly more in live with the Friends. I remember reading the book better, So...yeah. Thanks for adding it though, I feel this theory gets a little more complete with each entry.

He's also got a Tragic Backstory. I'd say the Friends tried to manipulate him into pure evil like they did with Frollo, but could never manage it entirely.

We still haven't worked that out yet; certainly not the least of the problems would be determining which Miramax movies are Disney-owned, and which came out before the purchase.

Well I know for a fact Pulp Fiction was under Disney, so we could add that at least.

Now that Disney sold Miramax, we're facing a problem. Does that retroactively make Miramax get out of the continuity, or not ? I'd love to include the Thief and the Cobbler, and not in the "Other" section, but Disney doesn't own it anymore…

Now that Disney sold Miramax, we're facing a problem. Does that retroactively make Miramax get out of the continuity, or not ? I'd love to include the Thief and the Cobbler, and not in the "Other" section, but Disney doesn't own it anymore…

I say the good magic weakened and it took the Friends longer to find Hundred Acre Wood. Sharpay and Ilsa would be manipulated by the Friends like suckers.

Crud does not live in the Hundred Acre Wood.

The idea here is that the magic influences the agent the Friends send there and make them childish, as with Stan Woozle and Heff Heffalump. Should Chernabog visit there, he probably'd be transformed in a little imp wanting to play tricks.

Don't do the OCs please. Replace them with Sora and Riku, that will be better.

No, Kingdom Hears is another setting — though it has its own dimension within our Disney multiverse.

You are quite right, 411314. But in order for THAT theory to work, you're going to have to re-work why the heroes, sometimes the villains, and the worlds act like their original movie sets.

Good point.

Plus, Epic Mickey and even stuff like Mickey Mania implies that multiples of characters exist anyways. Spector was even thinking of going as far as "multiples of characters that don't know what the others know because they came from different animation cels" levels of variations.

Speaking of Epic Mickey, is The Main Mickey the one who went into the Wasteland? Also, should we assume that Mickey chose the good option for all the bosses if that ever comes up as a topic? How much should we assume Epic Mickey takes place within High Council and Friends proceedings?

I think there should be some rethinking of Mickey and crew's places in general. They aren't a band of immortals the way I see it, more like a multiversal constant ala Marvel and DC superheroes. Start treating his adaptation roles like Musketeers, Pauper or Brave Little Tailor as Elseworlds like Kingdom Hearts with Mickey's "canon" adventures comprising of his comic adventures and animated roles that took on a more relatively contemporary setting.

I wrote them as immortals specifically to make sure there is less factors to deal with. This theory is already a pretty convoluted one, so I thought trying to streamline Mickey into one timeline would work. Still, I'm intrigued by your idea...what does everyone else think?

^Eric W: I think we should take the graphic novel's version of the boss events as canon. That is if anyone here has it.

I've also gotten more of a "Legend Of Zelda" style approach of a reincarnating cast of characters in mind. Mickey and pals do kinda fit a "Hero of Time" role pretty well.

Let's set things right for good; there are numerous else worlds in which only the Mickey of "Musketeers" or of "Pauper" exist, there's the pure canon comic strips universe with the main comic Mickey Mouse, and there's the main Disney comics and cartoons world, in which the Mickey is the "ultimate" one: the one who lived nearly all "his" adventures, both cartoons, comics and video games, and remember them. It's this Mickey that's destined to vain triumph of Chernabog one day.

I would say that unless the high council creates a person lock on their items, an enchanted item is just an item, and thus there is a magic that both friends and the council can use. Let's keep it as easy as possible.

That's God Magic (http://disneywar.wikia.com/wiki/God_Magic), the magic from which Dark Magic, White Magic and Lawful Magic were created.

Sure, or maybe Zeus just likes messing with the space/multiverse continuum in order to make others aware of the dangers of the friends. Use your disgression to write some kind of inclusion into the concept, but just be careful how you word it so it doesn't take away from the normal part of the groups just fighting each other.

This entry about how we fit "Roger Rabbit" should also solve that issue: http://disneywar.wikia.com/wiki/Toontown

I believe Once upon a time is an AU universe to the normal Disney universe where the Friends have greater control over the world considering the grimmer and more nasty nature over the villains and some heroes.

I also suppose that in this universe, the friends first manifested as the dark one, and realized that this was a universe where they could test alternate strategies against the main high council by corrupting all the heroes and villains through their dark deals. I suppose the Evil Counterparts in the Inner Circle would also be highly invested in this project, as it could give them Revenge by Proxy against their hated enemies. I suppose the enchantress could have helped Regina cast the spell that froze the town in time. You know this show well. You are free to add members of the friends or the high council anywhere you see fit.

Yes, it works like "Kingdom Hearts": another multiverse between the multiverse.

I suppose we've tried to stay lazy and stick only to Sora, Xehanort and heartless to keep those other crossover figures in the background of this theory. We don't want to confuse readers two much with 2 entries for donald, goofy or other people. We do have entries for these though already. Just look around and make tweaks if you see fit.

The Disney War Wiki (the wikia prolongement of this theory, check it up !) considers Kingdom Hearts to be an alternate multiverse within the main Disney multiverse. The main Friends and High Council are aware of their KH counterparts, but don't know exactly how to deal with them because magic in the KH world has its own set of rules, with the heart, the heartless and all that, that they simply don't understand. Chernabog, however, tries to manipulate his less-powerful KH counterpart.

What should the Duke of Weselton's role be considering all the other characters have gotten entries here?

I'm actually thinking of something along the lines of "unaligned but uninvolved". He's not really evil kineval the same way Hans was, and don't the friends have a "one contact at a time per world" policy?

He could just be from a bordering kingdom that's highly distrusted by the council, but not interesting enough yet for the friends.

Either that, or he was their first agent in the world, but he was draining his homeland dry with the friends's support, and needed to exploit arendelle's resources in order to fulfill his debt to them. Kind of like Shan Yu. Whatever you think works better.

With his compulsive fear of witchcraft, I don't see him making a willing deal with the Friends. He might be a less successful attempt at corrupting a character in the same way as Frollo, by making sure they still see themselves as virtuous even though they're in fact unwilling paws to the Friends.

For the latter, we could make it a new universe, since the marvel universe we've been using is the main comic universe. For the former, we could either call that a propaganda film by the friends, or we could canonize it, but try and combine the 2 characters so as not to compromise the evilness of the maleficent of the inner circle.

I'd say we pull the card of "alternate universe": the Sleeping Beauty world and the Live-Action Maleficent world are two different dimensions which only happen to look very much alike.

Well, technically we're not using the marvel cinematic universe as part of this theory...yet. A lot of our stuff is actually based on the comics instead. Though, it's still possible to connect them. For the Friends, I'd say that Calligan would be their main agent, with the friends promising him a way to get his daughter back if he'd only work for them. Krey would be unaligned but involved, as a man interested in progressing technology, but not particularly interested in doing so for the good of all. And of course, the big hero 6 would be taken under the wing of The Incredibles for training and team efforts. Or, they could be adopted by The Avengers for missions. Whatever you think works.

Word of God has that "Big Hero 6" is not part of the Marvel cinematic universe or of any other Marvel world. It's officially only Disney. The cameos of Arendelle and Hans show it very clearly.

Well, part of the problem is that some of the other regulars haven't been in as much. Also, I've been busy with other projects, so I haven't contributed as much yet either. Also, some of these shows like Wander and Maleficent I haven't seen yet.

I think it warrants its own category, a la Marvel

What about Indiana Jones?

He can definitely be working for them. Calhoun and Felix as well, no doubt. And Turbo seems likely to be working with the Friends, at least in a limited capacity. He doesn't have magic, but he definitely might have been pointed in the right direction by them.

IRONY! You now have the legal ability to add it, on account of a certain recent purchase.

That would be cool, but man, the hours it would take.

Well done.

where is he now?

If it is, put it on!

Helloooooo????!!! I'm waiting!!!

Ahh....what's the point. You guys don't really care about this article anyway and have given up on it. But I haven't!

Niether have I! I added a comment to the page you added. Could you check some of the unanswered questions I've put below and let me know if you know any of the answers?

I answered. Are you still interested in my comments?

Annnnnd... the board is up! Friends in High Places is now taking members!

Is there any chance of Necroing this?

I don't think so, but we need confirmation.

If you can make it more epic, and still have it make sense in the context of The Firebird Suite and the rest of the theory, go ahead.

No.

Why Not?

I suppose because it originated in Japan, seperate from the Disney corperation.

Well, we know he loves Judge Frollo for these Knight Templar work. I think with Chernabog, it's a little less about motivation and more about action. Frollo's Knight Templar ways got him a judge to help Hades on his side, while lighter antiheroes like Aladdin became council warriors as they reformed their ways. So in a way, so long as there's suffering from these villains, Chernabog's all for them, but as soon as they start to drift away from his side (xanatos, Jack sparrow, Eugene and the like of heroes who at least oppose members of the friends side), he hates them.

So he tolerates villains who think they are good, as long as they serve his agenda. Nice. But, if it didn't serve his agenda, would he declare villanious justification a blasphemy of the moral concept?

Potentially. Just remember that Chernabog is evil incarnate. Every selfish action, every act of violence to bring about discord, every piece of cake stolen, they're all of some benefit to the friends. So probably unless someone called themselves a villain in order to contrast with some Villain with Good Publicity, Chernabog wouldn't mind too much.

Put it where Phineas and Ferb entries were before. I think that's in animated tv.

I just came up with a good solution to this. It's a mix of Becoming the Mask and The Mole. See the main page for how this works.

It happened again. Same IP. I put them back up, with a note not to delete them or to at least explain themselves.

Do books published by disney-Hyperion count

Okay then, I agree with you. So do you think you can edit all sections involving the Titans, Chernabog, Cronus, Hades, and Hercules?

for the pirate's part, I would say that we need to define what happens when someone unaffiliated with either Friends or High Council dies. If we can clarify that, we can figure out just what Pirates stand for. (idea: a purgatory no claim state? Calypso gets her own stuff through DJ?)

I figured it was like the usual pop culture view of Heaven and Hell, with an afterlife to reward good people (in this case, Mount Olympus) and one to punish evil people, regardless of weather they were affiliated with either side (High Council and Friends agents are simply trying to ensure the spread of goodness and thus more souls going to Olympus or the spread of evil and thus more souls being punished, respectively, with most Council agents being basically good people who'd go to Olympus anyway and and most clients of the Friends being evil people who'd be punished in the afterlife anyway). Of course, that would leave where a few characters (especially Jack Sparrow) went in question, but most are pretty clear cut.

It would.

I wouldn't be too sure. Seems to be more of an "owned by the author" and only distributed by Disney sorta thing judging from the movie being made by Fox.

Hmm. If that's the case, I think we should reconsider.

I think it was a technicality involving the Fates and Hades's ownership over Meg's soul. He could have lied to her about granting her freedom after that, and only freed her from the smoke chains. Perhaps since she was in greece, and the fates were with Hades, they sent her soul to the underworld. make something up, this is an open ended theory.

Maybe Mushu was manipulated by the Friends and Shan-Yu as a way to get rid of Mulan and Shang.

Go for it. I'm always up for new ideas to be added.

Finally got to putting the Dreaming Tree on there. It's an idea I've had for a while for my own little Disney cosmology overthink and I think it works great for this.

It's awesome. A worthy addition.

I think we should put things that used to be owned by Disney there.

That could work.

Here is one: Inspector Gadget. Do yout think he should go here?

Figment Jedi keeps on deleting my SATAM examples. It was made by DIC, which used to by Disney property.

We removed most of the Power Rangers examples after Disney lost the rights, leaving only the ones created under the Disney reign. Sat AM doesn't fit. It was created and finished before DIC was bought. It's an awesome series, but it doesn't fit here.

However, Disney did make a live-action Inspector Gadget movie, though I'm not sure how it could be worked into this theory. Maybe the Council supplied Brenda's father with the idea and/or technology for the Gadget project, and perhaps Claw a.k.a Scolex was able to make Scolex Industries through the Friends' influence in the business sector?

Heh, that would be interesting. I know Baron Ruber would be one of his minions. And that's where the DC heroes can come in, much like Disney and Marvel!

I had been idly thinking about a Fox one too. Hexxus would probably be the big bad there, with Rasputin as one of his minions. Dreamworks, I'm not sure it would have enough players yet to make a good theory, but I would probably go with the Green Death as their Chernabog.

Not sure if Fox has enough material for their own one of these.

Also, a Nintendo one would be an obvious one to do as well. Tabuu or Master Hand as Chernabog

I love the ideas. If they're started, I'll contribute to them.

It has to be Tabuu on the Nintendo one. He did overpower the Master Hand, after all.

Yeah, probably not enough for a Fox animation one on its own, but Fox as a whole? Maybe one day.

The Nintendo/WB ones should be a lot of fun. I don't know how much I'll be able to add for the Nintendo one, but the WB one? I'll be all over the DC heroes and villains.

The WB has the entire Cartoon Network library. Considering it's the rival of Disney, that seems like a good place to start.

Just right off the bat, we'll get some serious mileage out of Ben 10, Foster's, Codename KND, the DCU heroes, and likely some of the villains from Courage the Cowardly Dog. Those who have watched more will undoubtedly know more.

Also Captain Planet, the occasional "real" villains within Scooby Doo, plus we'd have access to MGM's library of material, which would include Phantom Tollbooth and some Seuss stuff

Oh yeah. For Kids Next Door, We have to have Father as one of Aku's Inner Circle, with Mr Boss, Grandma Stuffum...there's a whole lot there. The Dessert Monks could work for the good guys. And Courage...Katz definitly, Complete Monster he is, with LeQuack and the Queen of the Black Puddle definitly, maybe the one shot Big Bayou. Shirley as a good guy.

BTW, who are the High Council's alternates going to be?

EDIT: Oh, and Him from The Powerpuff Girls in the Inner Circle. He would so fit. And KND also gives us the Galactic Kids Next Door as High Council material.

High Council counterpart is led by the trio that fought Aku in the first place: Odin, Rama and Ra.

The Justice League, with some added characters? I could see the core members of the JL, plus Captain Planet for sure. Maybe Madame Foster, since she definitely knows all about strange beings and supernatural forces. Like the High Council, we can have it as an eclectic group, with the Justice League (or maybe the Green Lantern Corps) as the center, much like the Gods.

Edit: The Samurai Jack trio are a good idea too. If Aku's the Big Bad, it makes sense.

I'll think on it and be back tomorrow.

Mandark and that one anime-esque villain from the later season for Dexter's Lab, along with the Rogues gallery of Monkey and the Justice Friends.

Rather then staying centered on Nintendo: How about you open it up to the entire video game universe?

Oh, and the Music Meister is so definetly a joke client for the WB friends. It makes too much sense.

If Harry Potter counts for this, that'll give us even more material

Oh, yeah. Voldemort would probably be the Maleficent of Aku's inner circle. I could see the inner circle consisting of Aku, Voldemort, Lex Luthor, Ra's Al Ghul, Katz, Dr. Animo, and a few others.

Hm...I wonder what side Brain would be on? He wants to take over the world, of course, but he doesn't really seem evil.

We need some ideas for a title for this new version.

Also, why Animo over Vilgax?

That was just my first thought. I don't really watch Ben 10, so I'll leave that one to the more well-versed.

Also, figured that the villain side of things would be Masters for the Friends (tied into Aku's title as Master of Masters) and the Legion of Doom for the inner circle/agents listings.

EDIT: Also, as far as a Dreamworks edition would go, I'd say have Eris from that Sinbad movie as the Chernabog counterpart.

Brain would definitly be a good guy. The entire reason he wants to Take Over the World is to make it a better place.

Yeah, it could be like with all the mad scientists the High Council employs - they're helping them direct their crazy smarts towards good, so they don't wind up causing trouble.

Brain strikes me more as an "on-his-own" sort of guy. He's trying to take over the world without assitance. Yet, the Friends and High Council are constantly trying to persaude him to join them, as his skills would turn the tables for either side.

In that case, would the Transformers fit into the Friend/High Council idea? I have reason to believe that Unicron is Chernabog's Nobody cause Chernabog is always emotional and Unicron is always calm and emotionless. So Chernabog is the Heartless and Unicron the nobody.

That's just silly. Unicron's just another member of Chernabog's "poker club".

Okay, so Unicron isn't Chernabog's nobody. But do the Transformers still fit in to the High Counci/Friends idea?

EDIT: HELLOOOOOO?? Is anyone noticing this discussion?

You know what, forget the transformers. How about the Grand Duke of Owls and Captain Hook from "Hook"?

What was with integrating some of these guys right into the Other Worlds section? I thought we were divising new pages for the extended war all together.

Well, nothing ever came of those...at least, nothing I'm aware of. Are people still working on them?

I think the thing that hindered some of it was we didn't ever come up with terms for the Friends and High Council's counterparts. And I think a lot of this just works better with Disney/Pixar anyways, seeing as the company's full of injokes, nods and theme parks as linking material, while you don't quite get that same sense of interconnectedness with the works of other companies. You get some things like it occasionally, like the old Cartoon Network City/Fridays concept and Fusion Fall, or that Looney Tunes/Justice League crossover, but it's not like you ever see any Dreamworks movie ever making Pixar style nods to it's past works in anything or anything in Fox interacting outside the S Impsons making jokes at Seth Mc Farlane's expense or visa-versa.

Dumbledore would make a great member of WB's High Council equivalent! If we decide that a battle like this is taking place in the Fox multiverse, Fox's equivalent of the Friends should be called "The Dark Forces", since that's who Rasputin said he got his powers from in Anastasia and Facilier's sort of a Disney counterpart to Rasputin (what with both having made deals with evil forces to get magic items and otherworldly helpers, and both dying as a result of those magic items being destroyed).

If I remember right, Wirewolf was a mutated Star Command agent, while NOS-4-A2 was a creation of Zurg. The latter could have Friend energy powering it, but the former would just be a puppet to the Friends.

In that case, what would you classify XL, Gravitina, and Warp Darkmatter as?

Hellooooooo????? Michael JJ? Are you there?

Yeah, I'm here, don't get impatient if I don't answer right away.

XL was a prototype of XR who went berserk, I doubt he'd have anny connection to the Friends. I don't know enough about Gravitina. And Warp worked directly under Zurg, so he could have been enhanced.

I really don't know this show well. Try finding someone who does.

Sorry, Micheal JJ.

Gravatina could have gotten her telekinetic powers from the Friends.

Well, wikipedia lists Touchstone as one of the studios, and Touchstone is just an alternate label for Disney, so apparently yes.

Is this still an issue, or has the change been removed in the three months since you made that comment?

I think so, but one thing. Could you list all of the disney villains who have been told by Chernabog, "You Have Failed Me"?

Well, almost all the villains lose in the end. Does that mean they all failed Chernabog? I'm not sure if I understand your question.

I meant all the villains that have been soul-collected and stayed that way.

Are all the ones who die soul-collected?

Pretty much except for those who ascended to the Inner Circle, so could you please say that list now?

How am I supposed to list ALL Disney villains who failed but didn't reach the Inner Circle? It's not like I've seen everything the company or one of its subsidiaries has ever made. As of this writing, there's 50 "animated canon" films, plus several direct-to-video films, plus dozens each of Alice Comedies, Oswald The Lucky Rabbit cartoons,Silly Symphonies and cartoons about Mickey Mouse and company, plus at least dozens of live action films, plus 11 pixar films and the shorts before each one, plus God knows how many Disney channel shows of which some may each have several different villains. And that's not including all the villains Marvel has invented over the years (which could take up an entire massive website all by itself) and all the ABC shows, Miramax films, Touchstone films, Disney Power Rangers series, Disney Muppet films, theme park attractions, Hyperion books, and possibly a lot of other stuff I don't know about. I don't mean to sound insulting, but even I don't have that much time on my hands because, frankly, I have a life. And if I did attempt to watch, read, or research enough to give you a complete list, you might die of natural causes before I finished.

I'm sorry pal. I'll just look at the article myself.

Wait, you meant all the failed non-Inner Circle villains in the article? That's entirely different! I thought you meant all the ones in anything ever made by Disney or one of its subsidiaries. My apologies.

Doris was hoping the Friends would give her ultimate power and upgrade her into a form similar to that of Megatron, the Fallen, and Blackarachnia combined.

A lot of those villains desire power and wealth, which the Friends can provide. And in Doris' case perhaps, the resources to build those monstrously huge machines.

Read the entry again. It provides ways either theory could be true. Also, a "hero" wouldn't terrify a man out of his wits and drive him out of town, just to get a rival out of the way. That's something a villain would do.

Well, the Headless Horseman has been associated with villains in other Disney material, including House Of Mouse. Remember, we go by the Disney version, which is not the official version. In this canon, when I wrote the original entry, the Horseman wasn't involved with Brom, he's a villain. I know Ichabod ain't exactly a hero, but I don't think the Horseman is either.

EDIT: Also, Ichabod may have been a jerk, but I'd hardly think he'd make a deal with the devil over it. He's a jerk, yeah, but evil is pushing it.

Ichabod and Brom were both sort of jerks, from what we saw, but neither of them seemed really evil. I could see the Friends watching the conflict and trying to manipulate one or both of them into making a deal or hurting the other, to take advantage of the situation.

I lean towards Brom making the deal to turn into the Horseman, but not being able to go through with killing Ichabod (Ichabod left town, as rumored). Whether Brom was able to pay off his debt another way, well, that's a mystery...

Or maybe when Brom became the Headless Horsemen, he no longer had control of his actions, like the Friends controlled him or an evil being that WAS willing to kill possesed him. As for the post that started this conversation, the fact that Ichabod is a jerk doesn't mean that Brom is a good person either. It's implied that he was the Horsemen in disguise and might have killed Ichabod in that disguise. However immoral Ichabod might have been, murdering him was still wrong. So if the Headless Horsemen really murdered or even tried to murder Ichabod, then yes, the Horsemen IS a villain. And if it was Brom murdering Ichabod while disguised as the Horsemen, then Brom is a villain. A villain who's victim we don't feel very sorry for (and some might even say deserved it), but a villain nonetheless.

Horned King's soldiers? Just saps. He harvested them with the Cauldronborn anyways, so no humans will trust him again.

I'd say the witches would be in the neutral category. Should probably move the Lonesome Ghosts into Neutral as well.

Nope. Giving too much importance to what's basically an evil twin.

Come on, he's made of pure darkness incarnate!

The darkness from inside a rookie Keyblade wielder's heart allowed to grow into a separate being.

i believe the redemption squad would be a part of the high council under tv animation.

But the Redemption Squad first appeared in the comics, so you can understand how confused I am.

Okay then, comics it is.

Well, Hell's Bells is listed as a film which allegedly shows how Chernabog got his power, so yes, yes they are.

Dr Nigel Channing doesn't seem to be the sinister sort. He's just some rube the Friends played as a chump. Besides, Figment turned around Channing's thinking in the ride, that could put him on a general path to redemption

And besides, the Institute employs Dr Szalinsky, Brainard and Merlin Jones.

It Just Bugs Me! that everyone seems to assume Doctor Channing is somehow evil simply because he's NOT DREAMFINDER. People saying he's 'stupid' for the same reason might be even worse - he's a genius, he's just kind of scatterbrained (an Absent-Minded Professor...speaking of Brainard, eh?). That and the similar 'OMG THE IMAGINATION INSTITUTE IS BADDDD!!!!!!111ONE' opinion make my heart break a little. As do all the fanfics that say they murdered DF. WTF?

...sorry for the rant... :/

So, ignoring my comments above about the game, what does everyone else besides Michael JJ suggest about Terra, Ven, Aqua, Xehanort, Eraqus, and Van, and their connection to the High Council and Friends.

I don't know, but I have gotten the idea that the KH-verse Chernabog was responsible for the Keyblade War and had a hand in fueling Xehanort's fascination with the subject.

Well, today is October 7 and you can edit Xehanort's entry and add in Vanitus to the Friends for all I care!

I still wouldn't be so hasty to bring in the crossover stuff this way. Different multiverses with different rules and differing primary goals and all, with Chernabog's "poker club" only occasionally meeting in some dark Inn Between the Worlds to discuss current affairs.

Well, what is the name of the villain?

I think he wants to put Jareth or the Skeks in there.

Except Disney only owns The Muppets and Bear and the Big Blue house. They got none of the Creature Shop material or franchises like Fraggle Rock.

Kazaam was Touchstone, so sure.

If you say so, I'll try to make him not as annoying.

EDIT from THE FUTURE!: I decided to minimize the rapping part, made it just something he likes to do on the side of guarding the kid. Writing his entry, I also decided to tie it in with how Mozenrath is known as a "genie hunter", which both explains a bit why Kazaam was so cynical about the stories about genies ad djinn, and kind takes a little of the leather pants off of Mozenrath, or puts more on, depending on whether you think he should have killed Kazaam after all.

He was in the vault with the other Titans, wasn't he?

I don't think he was in the vault.

Indeed, he was. He begins to leave with the rest of the Titans before Hades stopped him.

Maybe he's just a very dangerous client

I've kinda questioned how the Titans would fall under the idea of Friends being unable to fully interact with the world, seeing as their prison was just a lightning cage on the seabed of the Mediterranean.

I thought we established thar Zues sealed them away harder after the events of the movie. But since we're already having this topic of discussion, if we eliminate the Titans, who will the other five Friends be?

We're already counting the Firebird. That leaves four. If we come up with four more, we'll vote on wether to promote them and bump the Titans down to agents.

The only name that comes to mind is Oogie Boogie. Powerful, supernatural, and keeps to himself. But I have a hard time thinking of anyone powerful enough to really be on a par with Chernabog and the firebird. Besides the Jabberwock, of course. I say keep the Titans.

I said to remove the cyclops, not the titans!

I'd say we venture to split the Epic Mickey incarnation of the Blot from the pre-existing version and make the new inky Eldritch Abomination one of the main Friends. With Wasteland being treated as an origin zone and purgatory for Disney media, it would have a similar chaotic nature to Wonderland, so the new Blot would fit naturally into that whole concept behind the Friends.

Also would make things rather dramatic with Mickey knowing he created one of the greatest enemies of the war.

That's interesting. Once Epic Mickey comes out, we'll know more, but I would consider it.

Got a lot of new info to work with from Nintendo Power. Not just for the Blot and Mad Doctor, but I think that "Four Needs of a Cartoon" could be worked into the WMG in general.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=134849

Nowhere. Real Ghostbusters was syndicated on Jetix UK, so it doesn't count. Besides, it's owned by Columbia. It won't happen on this RP.

That;s not what I meant. I'm referring to the theory above with other worlds besides Disney having a Friends/High Council dilemna of their own. Therefore, since the Ghostbusters and their ghost enemies are from other worlds, how would they fit in?

We already dumped that; it started getting way out of hand. Now it has to be made by Disney, or it's not on the list. Sorry.

Well, since everyone is SO touchy about putting only Disney stuff in the WMG, I decided to make my OWN WMG page. It's called Other Friends On The Other Side, but it hasn't really been started yet. Basically, in this WMG, you can put all the non-disney stuff here if you like, but it has to at least apply to the original WMG in tearms of continuity. BTW, were is the toontown entry anyway?

On another note, I would like to add Mirage, Mekanicles, and Scourge of the Desert. Scourge is Jasmine's unversed made from the blue flower of forgetfulness and Abis Mal's hatred for Aladdin. I would like to also add that Scourge and Vanitus are dating. ^^!

Lay off the Unversed stuff. It's a non-factor post-BBS anyways.

Okay, no unversed stuff. But still, could you please put in Lumpjaw, Mirage, Mekanicles, and Abis Mal in there somewhere, please?

The Aladdin TV series is another I missed when it was on. Now I regret it, since Aladdin has become my favorite DAC movie. I've only seen episodes with Abis Mal, who from what I can tell was pretty incompatent. Maybe he could be like Doofenshmirtz and Brer Fox, wanting to be a client but never getting it.

As for Lumpjaw, he seemed more of a bully than anything else. I can't imagine what the Friends would want with him, but I can't imagine him being selfless enough to work with the High Council.

Okay, we've already got in Doris. But what about the Bowler Hat Guy? He seems like a pretty good villain to join the Friends.

EDIT: Or for that matter, what about Jasmine as Scourge of the Desert? Scourge lookes pretty good to be Jafar's afterlife wife.

BHG was more of a pawn and nobody the Friends really saw as genuine client material, like Doofensmirtz

They're fine, but try to pothole the entries when you add them.

Doesn't count. It's right there on the No-Fly zone at the top of the rules

It takes more than that; it must also be produced by Disney. That show was produced by Nelvana, so no.

Well then, what about Digimon? Does that count? If it does, we'll have a field day with the Seven Demon lord digimon.

Nope. Digimon is Disney-distributed, not Disney owned. If Disney dropped it, they'd simply need to find a new American distributor.

And now for something completely different. I would like to add Nasty Jack, the horse thief from Pooh episode "Paw and Order". What category should he be in?

Just put it in spoiler tags and it will be good.

And the television section of the Friends, I suppose.

How do I put my spoilers in spoiler tags anyway? And where do the Skekses and Jareth fit in with this theory, despite their non-Disney status?

[[spoiler: at the beginning, then bracket them off at the end.

Are Skekses and Jareth Square Enix characters who appear in BBS? If so, they can go in.

No, the skeksis are from the Dark Crystal and Jareth is from Labryinth. Both are Jim Henson films not from Disney.

Anyway, Master Xehanort was formerly a powerful keyblade master who realized the light side was getting too big for its own good. So he decided to have Jumping Off the Slippery Slope apply to him and he joined forces with the Friends. His dark keyblade skills and possession were in part with Chernabog's magic Also, my theory on why Vanitus looks exactly like Sora is because the Friends sampled a bit of the little boy's D.N.A and combined it with the recently extracted darkness of Ven's heart. Therefore, Vanitus is the combined prodigy of Sora AND Ventus. Pretty interesting theories, don't you think?

Really JJ? You haven't seen Dark Crystal?

...It's on my "To Watch" list, I swear.

And I'll check out the theory once I play the game.

Actually, I think I'll support the cutting of the Other Worlds section. Bgal has a point, it just opens the door for too much.

Still, I'd be up to making more pages like this for things like CN and others, if only to keep them off this page.

Yeah, it's a shame, but it adds too many wild cards to the equation.

No, he's more one of Chernabog's old buddies, like Aku, Unicron, and Him. A being of supreme evil, dedicated to the destruction of everything good and decent.

Added.

Probably a second evil faction that just uses some of the Friends' workforces

Yeah, they strike me as Associates. They're aligned with the Friends, but have no formal deals with them. They're in a mutual partnership with the Friends.

I can't believe it honestly took this long for us to remember them. What were we thinking?

In that case, I just added the Jungle Cubs vultures as well as Stan and Heff from the New adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Do you remember any of these baddies?

Wow, that was quick! I probably won't get to see it for a few days.

She definitely seems like she could fit in there, from what I hear. The Live Action world doesn't have any representatives there yet. Maybe she takes the seat that was going to be Davy Jones' before he fell from grace? I'll think more about it after I see it.

Maybe put in something like Chernabog is monitoring the world very closely considering he's in the plans for a possible sequel?

It all sounds good. Whoever wants to can add it.

Finally got to see it.

Morgana seems pretty powerful, but I don't know if she's Inner Circle material, since she had such a small role. Why don't we make her like Solego - she was in line for the Inner Circle, but she lost that position when she was sealed away. Chernabog still keeps her around as a dark master after her death. Horvath is also one of Chernabog's agents. As for the hero, I say we make them the same Merlin. The events of this movie happened after Sword in the Stone, and after his death Merlin was brought up to the High Council where he serves to this day. Balthazar and Veronica are high-ranking Lieutenants of the High Council, maybe the heads of a new magical combat division we could add. And Dave's a new recruit. It fits pretty well.

If one's started, I'd be on board with it.

Ditto

Alright, if I'm not busy this weekend, I'll start one on Livejournal. My new job keeps me hopping, but I can find the time.

I for one am going to be in on this. Although I would prefer for it to be hosted here. Can we get a link posted here, though?

We can get it hosted here if everyone would prefer that...but it'll have to wait till Monday. Sorry, I'm in training all weekend.

I'm fine with that, too. I don't mind the wait.

Okay, I'm about to start this. Now, I have never done this before, so you're input is appreciated.

First off, I'd like to know who all plans to participate?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=ss8sf1wyy7bb09cytdv2eud6&page=1#1

Here's the sign up. Go to it.

What do you think the "Gordon's Alive!?" type of deal in there is?

Just so we're clear, I wrote that entry. I just figured, since the attraction is back for now, EO could come back in our little story. Just because he's played by Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean their lives should be combined. That would be tasteless.

Because he's portrayed more as a force of nature than anything else. Destructive, but not malicious.

Well, that "destructive, but not malicious" comment is a load of bull in my opinion. Millenniumrex, I humbly demand that the Firebird be placed in the Friends section, please.

It's not really him you should be asking, I'm the one who started this. I don't think the Firebird should be a "Friend" Friend, since he can leave the Other Side outside Wonderland, but a powerful agent for them would work better, The Dragon, if you will. I agree he should be moved out of neutral, though.

If only the Firebird was in more than a Fantasia segment; then we would be more able to determine where it really belongs.