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Also the Monastery is a prison. It\'s a very nice prison with a lot more perks, but once you go in you can never leave, you are giving up your freedom. So my arguement does still stand; she was given achoice between going to place she can never leave again, or being condemed a monster and hunted down and killed (and the Jusicar\'s code is very rigid, so she can\'t change her mind and go back).
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Also the Monastery is a prison. It\\\'s a very nice prison with a lot more perks, but once you go in you can never leave, you are giving up your freedom. So my arguement does still stand; she was given a choice between going to a place she can never leave again, or being condemned a monster and hunted down and killed (and the Jusicar\\\'s code is very rigid, so she can\\\'t change her mind and go back).
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So really the point of contention here is wether chosing to have freedom = embracing her condition. At to that point, again, all this happened before we see it, so we can\'t say one way or the other, which is why I\'m arguing Monrith can\'t meet the criteria for this trope. That\'s why it\'s getting cleaned up; because people forget the \
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So really the point of contention here is whether choosing to have freedom = embracing her condition. At to that point, again, all this happened before we see it, so we can\\\'t say one way or the other, which is why I\\\'m arguing Monrith can\\\'t meet the criteria for this trope. That\\\'s why it\\\'s getting cleaned up; because people forget the \\\"Complete\\\" in the trope name and throw in every charcter who does monstrous things.
As for Archer, what he did to his own brother is wrong in every sense of the word, and even he admits it\\\'s wrong. What it all comes down to for this trope is motivation. Let\\\'s compare him to two of the other Complete Monsters. First up that Salarian doctor. He used his own staff as test patients, growing extra organs in them so he could later harvest them for money. And now for the other one Saren. His major call to villainy (which happened in the novel, so it doesn\\\'t count as off camera), was to blow up a factory that resulted in all the factory workers and their families suffering painful cancers. And he did this to stop Anderson from becoming a spectre and because he couldn\\\'t be bothered to sneak out around the factory so he wanted a distraction.
Now compare the three\\\'s motivation; one was for profit, one was out of malice/laziness, and one was out of a desire to stop a war and save millions of lives. If Archer wanted to control the Geth to take over the universe, or to become famous that would push him into the CM territory, but since he has a good goal in mind and he\\\'s taken the path that the ends justifty the means, that fits him firmly in the WellIntentionedExtremist trope, which automatically disqualifies him from CM. And if you check that page you\\\'ll see plenty of people there who did similar things for similar reasons, so if Archer goes on this page half of the WIE\\\'s have to come to this trope too.
As for Archer, what he did to his own brother is wrong in every sense of the word, and even he admits it\\\'s wrong. What it all comes down to for this trope is motivation. Let\\\'s compare him to two of the other Complete Monsters. First up that Salarian doctor. He used his own staff as test patients, growing extra organs in them so he could later harvest them for money. And now for the other one Saren. His major call to villainy (which happened in the novel, so it doesn\\\'t count as off camera), was to blow up a factory that resulted in all the factory workers and their families suffering painful cancers. And he did this to stop Anderson from becoming a spectre and because he couldn\\\'t be bothered to sneak out around the factory so he wanted a distraction.
Now compare the three\\\'s motivation; one was for profit, one was out of malice/laziness, and one was out of a desire to stop a war and save millions of lives. If Archer wanted to control the Geth to take over the universe, or to become famous that would push him into the CM territory, but since he has a good goal in mind and he\\\'s taken the path that the ends justifty the means, that fits him firmly in the WellIntentionedExtremist trope, which automatically disqualifies him from CM. And if you check that page you\\\'ll see plenty of people there who did similar things for similar reasons, so if Archer goes on this page half of the WIE\\\'s have to come to this trope too.
