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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. And I dopn\'t think Zelgius quite makes it either.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. And I don\\\'t think Zelgius makes it either.
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And I doubt anyone questions that Igrene qualifies. Flawless statline, skills that make her great in all game modes, and possibly the best base kit feh has ever seen. I don\\\'t particularly like this trend of having 1 somewhat busted unit on each banner with 2 decent but skippable ones and one crappy one, but meh.
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Brave Roy - insane refine but started low. +10 def/+7 spd brings him to -3 def/+1 spd compared to brave eliwood on initiation. Both get +3 stat. Eliwood has +5 attack, beast/dragon eff, and better EP vs Roy\'s heavy blade w/o check, guard, and follow up prevention. I\'d say tie. L
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Brave Roy - insane refine but started low. +10 def/+7 spd brings him to -3 def/+1 spd compared to brave eliwood on initiation. Eliwood has +5 attack, beast/dragon eff, and better EP vs Roy\\\'s heavy blade w/o atk check, guard, and follow up prevention. I\\\'d say tie.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin not being on the list is kind of crazy. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin not being on the list is a headscratcher. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. And I dopn\\\'t think Zelgius quite makes it either.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia. Best dragonslayer in the game, can nuke for mid 70\'s unmerged w/o specials in both phases, and a great res tank all in the same build. Her iceberg oneshots 90% of the cast, and her glacies probably like 99%.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia.
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Hmm I don\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all, even needing 2 premium skills isn\'t that expensive. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less.
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Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less.
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Keaton is the best of the ones that I think don\'t make it, huge weaknesses that limit him if he isn\'t a vantage unit. Nailah - too balanced stat wise and has very unfavorable conditions for her prf unless she\'s in a beast team.
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Keaton is the best that I think don\\\'t make it, huge weaknesses that limit him if he isn\\\'t a vantage unit. Nailah - has very unfavorable conditions for her prf unless she\\\'s in a beast team.
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Rondohardt - if OG stays, than he is fine. But I wouldn\'t suggest people spend a bunch on him.
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Rondohardt - if OG stays, than he is fine.
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Brave Roy - insane refine but started low. +10 def/+7 spd brings him to -3 def/+1 spd compared to brave eliwood on initiation. Both get +3 stat. Eliwood has +5 attack, beast/dragon eff, and better EP vs Roy\'s heavy blade w/o check, guard, and follow up prevention. I\'d say tie. Lack of melee cavs on the list, so if he\'s included for the sake of representation, then he is ok, but he is just up to par with the good 5* cavs now. The real winner is OG eliwood who is now the best f2p unit in the game.
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Brave Roy - insane refine but started low. +10 def/+7 spd brings him to -3 def/+1 spd compared to brave eliwood on initiation. Both get +3 stat. Eliwood has +5 attack, beast/dragon eff, and better EP vs Roy\\\'s heavy blade w/o check, guard, and follow up prevention. I\\\'d say tie. L
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. Close, but Zelgius takes it imo.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia, hands down. Best dragonslayer in the game, can nuke for mid 70\'s unmerged w/o specials in both phases, and a great res tank all in the same build. Other glasses cannons don\'t nuke any harder yet don\'t have that amount of flexibility. Her iceberg oneshots 90% of the cast, and her glacies probably like 99%.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia. Best dragonslayer in the game, can nuke for mid 70\\\'s unmerged w/o specials in both phases, and a great res tank all in the same build. Her iceberg oneshots 90% of the cast, and her glacies probably like 99%.
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Rondohardt - if OG stays, than he is fine.
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Rondohardt - if OG stays, than he is fine. But I wouldn\\\'t suggest people spend a bunch on him.
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Hmm I don\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all, even needing 2 premium skills isn\'t that expensive. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less. L! marth is team-based, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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Hmm I don\\\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all, even needing 2 premium skills isn\\\'t that expensive. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin are no brainers imo. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin not being on the list is kind of crazy. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. It\'s close, but I\'d say Zelgius is clearly the better unit more than not.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. Close, but Zelgius takes it imo.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia, hands down. Best dragonslayer in the game, can nuke for mid 70\'s unmerged w/o specials, and a great res tank all in the same build. Her iceberg oneshots 5% of the cast, and her glacies probably like 99%.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia, hands down. Best dragonslayer in the game, can nuke for mid 70\\\'s unmerged w/o specials in both phases, and a great res tank all in the same build. Other glasses cannons don\\\'t nuke any harder yet don\\\'t have that amount of flexibility. Her iceberg oneshots 90% of the cast, and her glacies probably like 99%.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin are no brainers imo, just as good as fallen tiki. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin are no brainers imo. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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Another unit who I think should be added - legendary julia, hands down. Best dragonslayer in the game, can nuke for mid 70\\\'s unmerged w/o specials, and a great res tank all in the same build. Her iceberg oneshots 5% of the cast, and her glacies probably like 99%.
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Hmm I don\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less. L! marth is team-based, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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Hmm I don\\\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all, even needing 2 premium skills isn\\\'t that expensive. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less. L! marth is team-based, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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Also, I\'d say Nagi is an auto-include, she\'s the best and most relevant dragon besides fallen tiki and maybe Idunn even though I hate dragon armors. Amelia - incredibly underused, compare her to Brave Ike - she is better with the same build.
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Hmm I don\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95% less. L! marth is a more team-based unit, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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Hmm I don\\\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95%+ less. L! marth is team-based, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable, but definitely not in AR or arena, in pve yes. Slightly more minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. It\'s close, but I\'d say Zelgius is clearly the better unit more than not.
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V! Ike - 4 charge aether is nice. No prf is not nice. Compared to Zelgius: 45 37 38 35 19 vs 46 36 33 38 21, so trades 5 def/res for atk/spd. 4 cd aether and slaying edge and slightly better stat dist. vs black luna and free A slot. So ike has a 3 cd aether and +5 hp/3 stat of choice (-2 wep mt as well) vs 3 cd black luna and free A slot. Is aether better than black luna at equal cd? Debatable. Slightly minmaxed stats and +5 hp vs free A slot? A slot wins hands down. It\\\'s close, but I\\\'d say Zelgius is clearly the better unit more than not.
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Hmm I don\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining, even though she wouldn\'t make it now. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95% less. L! marth is a more team-based unit, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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Hmm I don\\\'t know if I would consider base kits/inheritance at all. Slaying edge + wrath ayra was once meta-defining. Og Rein same - I can see him added for his historical presence, but he is good these days, not amazing.If he was 5* exclusive, he would be used 95% less. L! marth is a more team-based unit, so I could see him not being added due to that.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin are no brainers imo, just as good as fallen tiki. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR, they really have to be elite units, standard is much higher than for other types.
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Cain and Fallen Corrin are no brainers imo, just as good as fallen tiki. For a melee infantry/armor to see consistent use in t21+ AR outside of galeforce, they really have to be elite units.
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Keaton is the best of the ones that I think don\'t make it. He has huge weaknesses that limit him a lot if he isn\'t a vantage unit. Nailah - too balanced stat wise and has very unfavorable conditions for her prf unless she\'s in a beast team - the best beasts like Tibarn and Cain don\'t. She doesn\'t have a gimmick that makes her stand out.
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Keaton is the best of the ones that I think don\\\'t make it, huge weaknesses that limit him if he isn\\\'t a vantage unit. Nailah - too balanced stat wise and has very unfavorable conditions for her prf unless she\\\'s in a beast team.
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Rondohardt - if OG stays, than I guess he is fine.
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Rondohardt - if OG stays, than he is fine.
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Brave Roy - insane refine but he started from a low place. +10 def/+7 spd just brings him to -3 def/+1 spd compared to brave eliwood/sirius on initiation. Both get +3 stat so it cancels. Eliwood has +5 attack, beast/dragon eff, and better EP vs Roy\'s heavy blade w/o check, guard, and follow up prevention. I\'d say tie. There aren\'t many amazing melee cavs though, so if he\'s included for the sake of representation, then he is fine, but brave eliwood has a claim too then. The real winner is OG eliwood who is now the best f2p unit in the game.
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Brave Roy - insane refine but started low. +10 def/+7 spd brings him to -3 def/+1 spd compared to brave eliwood on initiation. Both get +3 stat. Eliwood has +5 attack, beast/dragon eff, and better EP vs Roy\\\'s heavy blade w/o check, guard, and follow up prevention. I\\\'d say tie. Lack of melee cavs on the list, so if he\\\'s included for the sake of representation, then he is ok, but he is just up to par with the good 5* cavs now. The real winner is OG eliwood who is now the best f2p unit in the game.
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Also, I\'d say Nagi is an auto-include, she\'s the best and most relevant dragon besides maybe Idunn even though I hate dragon armors. Amelia - incredibly underused, compare her to Brave Ike - she is better with the same build.
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Also, I\\\'d say Nagi is an auto-include, she\\\'s the best and most relevant dragon besides fallen tiki and maybe Idunn even though I hate dragon armors. Amelia - incredibly underused, compare her to Brave Ike - she is better with the same build.
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