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\\\"With body language, it\\\'s easy to see what you want to see,\\\" yes, go right ahead and just dismiss the biggest part of my whole argument, based on that entirely unfounded statement. There\\\'s a reason that experts are used \\\'\\\'to analyze body language\\\'\\\' to find out liars. And body language subconsciously \\\'\\\'gives you away\\\'\\\' when you\\\'re trying to lie if you know what to look for. Less a case of it being \\\"easy to see what you want to see\\\" and more a case of \\\'\\\'seeing what\\\'s actually there\\\'\\\'.
If it\\\'s so \\\'easy to see what you want to see,\\\' tell me just what about Zed\\\'s actions in that scene imply that Jay was right. Or what about Jay\\\'s look on his face when he says, \\\"Or do I owe her an apology?\\\" that implies Jay thinks he\\\'s really right.
For your argument to work, you have to \\\'\\\'completely dismiss\\\'\\\' all the body language. That\\\'s like saying, \\\"The author really means \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\', but you have to only count the even-numbered pages\\\".
Screwy chairs aren\\\'t going to make every applicant fail the test. They might make it harder to take, but they\\\'re not going to change the subject matter, or the answers. As for the other five, who said they failed? Sure, there\\\'s Zed\\\'s gag about them being \\\'everything we expect from years of government training,\\\' but they were clearly highly recommended by \\\'\\\'somebody\\\'\\\' for the MIB. It\\\'s less that they failed, and more that they didn\\\'t have Kay backing them up, who again, is one of the original agents and who personally picked Jay, and who probably has more outright pull with Zed than anyone.
And yes, cops are supposed to distinguish between civilians and criminals. Jay was expected to distinguish between all the snarling beasts and the innocent little girl wandering in the middle of the street, just like the other officers did; that Jay came up with a clearly improvised explanation doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s right. Again: Zed \\\'\\\'shakes his head and leaves\\\'\\\'. If he\\\'d passed the real test, don\\\'t you think there would be \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' small sign of approval?
Okay, you want an explanation for the books? The designer was drawing, and decided, \\\"Hey, this girl should be doing something with her hands, she looks sorta bland just standing there...Oh, I know, I\\\'ll show that she\\\'s a smart kid by giving her books. I know Zed likes quantum physics, so I\\\'ll write that on the books. He\\\'ll get a kick out of that.\\\" Shall we nitpick the rest of her appearance too?
Yes, saying, \\\"Well, he passed the real test\\\" would be spelling things out for the audience. Which is \\\'\\\'why it\\\'s expected\\\'\\\' if it\\\'s really a HiddenPurposeTest. Executives don\\\'t like to leave things \\\'implicit\\\', especially in a big-budget summer blockbuster. Why do you think we have tropes like CaptainObvious and ViewersAreMorons?
If it were a HiddenPurposeTest, then the \\\'other criteria\\\' would just be window dressing. The point of a HiddenPurposeTest is it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'real\\\'\\\' test, and the bulk, if not all, of what the examiners are really looking for. Therefore, if he passed those tests so easily, when all the other applicants have failed, then he would be hired without Zed having to be talked into it.
My \\\"strained interpretation of events\\\" isn\\\'t the one that requires completely ignoring the body language, which is \\\'\\\'an enormous part of human communication\\\'\\\'.
Show me some WordOfGod. Some script notes, some audio commentary, something Will Smith said drunk to a reporter while filming. \\\'\\\'Something\\\'\\\' that indicates that the writers intended it to be a HiddenPurposeTest. Something that doesn\\\'t require completely ignoring a major aspect of communication that actors are explicitly directed to display.
If it\\\'s so \\\'easy to see what you want to see,\\\' tell me just what about Zed\\\'s actions in that scene imply that Jay was right. Or what about Jay\\\'s look on his face when he says, \\\"Or do I owe her an apology?\\\" that implies Jay thinks he\\\'s really right.
For your argument to work, you have to \\\'\\\'completely dismiss\\\'\\\' all the body language. That\\\'s like saying, \\\"The author really means \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\', but you have to only count the even-numbered pages\\\".
Screwy chairs aren\\\'t going to make every applicant fail the test. They might make it harder to take, but they\\\'re not going to change the subject matter, or the answers. As for the other five, who said they failed? Sure, there\\\'s Zed\\\'s gag about them being \\\'everything we expect from years of government training,\\\' but they were clearly highly recommended by \\\'\\\'somebody\\\'\\\' for the MIB. It\\\'s less that they failed, and more that they didn\\\'t have Kay backing them up, who again, is one of the original agents and who personally picked Jay, and who probably has more outright pull with Zed than anyone.
And yes, cops are supposed to distinguish between civilians and criminals. Jay was expected to distinguish between all the snarling beasts and the innocent little girl wandering in the middle of the street, just like the other officers did; that Jay came up with a clearly improvised explanation doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s right. Again: Zed \\\'\\\'shakes his head and leaves\\\'\\\'. If he\\\'d passed the real test, don\\\'t you think there would be \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' small sign of approval?
Okay, you want an explanation for the books? The designer was drawing, and decided, \\\"Hey, this girl should be doing something with her hands, she looks sorta bland just standing there...Oh, I know, I\\\'ll show that she\\\'s a smart kid by giving her books. I know Zed likes quantum physics, so I\\\'ll write that on the books. He\\\'ll get a kick out of that.\\\" Shall we nitpick the rest of her appearance too?
Yes, saying, \\\"Well, he passed the real test\\\" would be spelling things out for the audience. Which is \\\'\\\'why it\\\'s expected\\\'\\\' if it\\\'s really a HiddenPurposeTest. Executives don\\\'t like to leave things \\\'implicit\\\', especially in a big-budget summer blockbuster. Why do you think we have tropes like CaptainObvious and ViewersAreMorons?
If it were a HiddenPurposeTest, then the \\\'other criteria\\\' would just be window dressing. The point of a HiddenPurposeTest is it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'real\\\'\\\' test, and the bulk, if not all, of what the examiners are really looking for. Therefore, if he passed those tests so easily, when all the other applicants have failed, then he would be hired without Zed having to be talked into it.
My \\\"strained interpretation of events\\\" isn\\\'t the one that requires completely ignoring the body language, which is \\\'\\\'an enormous part of human communication\\\'\\\'.
Show me some WordOfGod. Some script notes, some audio commentary, something Will Smith said drunk to a reporter while filming. \\\'\\\'Something\\\'\\\' that indicates that the writers intended it to be a HiddenPurposeTest. Something that doesn\\\'t require completely ignoring a major aspect of communication that actors are explicitly directed to display.
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\\\"With body language, it\\\'s easy to see what you want to see,\\\" yes, go right ahead and just dismiss the biggest part of my whole argument, based on that entirely unfounded statement. There\\\'s a reason that experts are used \\\'\\\'to analyze body language\\\'\\\' to find out liars, right? And how body language subconsciously \\\'\\\'gives you away\\\'\\\' when you\\\'re trying to lie if you know what to look for? Less a case of it being \\\"easy to see what you want to see\\\" and more a case of \\\'\\\'seeing what\\\'s actually there\\\'\\\'.
For your argument to work, you have to \\\'\\\'completely dismiss\\\'\\\' all the body language. That\\\'s like saying, \\\"The author really means \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\', but you have to only count the even-numbered pages\\\".
Screwy chairs aren\\\'t going to make every applicant fail the test. They might make it harder to take, but they\\\'re not going to change the subject matter, or the answers.
And yes, cops are supposed to distinguish between civilians and criminals. Jay was expected to distinguish between all the snarling beasts and the innocent little girl wandering in the middle of the street, just like the other officers did; that Jay came up with a clearly improvised explanation doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s right. Again: Zed \\\'\\\'shakes his head and leaves\\\'\\\'. If he\\\'d passed the real test, don\\\'t you think there would be \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' small sign of approval?
Okay, you want an explanation for the books? The designer was drawing, and decided, \\\"Hey, this girl should be doing something with her hands, she looks sorta bland just standing there...Oh, I know, I\\\'ll show that she\\\'s a smart kid by giving her books. I know Zed likes quantum physics, so I\\\'ll write that on the books. He\\\'ll get a kick out of that.\\\" Shall we nitpick the rest of her appearance too?
Yes, saying, \\\"Well, he passed the real test\\\" would be spelling things out for the audience. Which is \\\'\\\'why it\\\'s expected\\\'\\\' if it\\\'s really a HiddenPurposeTest. Executives don\\\'t like to leave things \\\'implicit\\\', especially in a big-budget summer blockbuster. Why do you think we have tropes like CaptainObvious and ViewersAreMorons?
If it were a HiddenPurposeTest, then the \\\'other criteria\\\' would just be window dressing. The point of a HiddenPurposeTest is it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'real\\\'\\\' test, and the bulk, if not all, of what the examiners are really looking for. Therefore, if he passed those tests so easily, when all the other applicants have failed, then he would be hired without Zed having to be talked into it.
My \\\"strained interpretation of events\\\" isn\\\'t the one that requires completely ignoring the body language, which is \\\'\\\'an enormous part of human communication\\\'\\\'.
Show me some WordOfGod. Some script notes, some audio commentary, something Will Smith said drunk to a reporter while filming. \\\'\\\'Something\\\'\\\' that indicates that the writers intended it to be a HiddenPurposeTest. Something that doesn\\\'t require completely ignoring a major aspect of communication that actors are explicitly directed to display.
For your argument to work, you have to \\\'\\\'completely dismiss\\\'\\\' all the body language. That\\\'s like saying, \\\"The author really means \\\'\\\'this\\\'\\\', but you have to only count the even-numbered pages\\\".
Screwy chairs aren\\\'t going to make every applicant fail the test. They might make it harder to take, but they\\\'re not going to change the subject matter, or the answers.
And yes, cops are supposed to distinguish between civilians and criminals. Jay was expected to distinguish between all the snarling beasts and the innocent little girl wandering in the middle of the street, just like the other officers did; that Jay came up with a clearly improvised explanation doesn\\\'t mean he\\\'s right. Again: Zed \\\'\\\'shakes his head and leaves\\\'\\\'. If he\\\'d passed the real test, don\\\'t you think there would be \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' small sign of approval?
Okay, you want an explanation for the books? The designer was drawing, and decided, \\\"Hey, this girl should be doing something with her hands, she looks sorta bland just standing there...Oh, I know, I\\\'ll show that she\\\'s a smart kid by giving her books. I know Zed likes quantum physics, so I\\\'ll write that on the books. He\\\'ll get a kick out of that.\\\" Shall we nitpick the rest of her appearance too?
Yes, saying, \\\"Well, he passed the real test\\\" would be spelling things out for the audience. Which is \\\'\\\'why it\\\'s expected\\\'\\\' if it\\\'s really a HiddenPurposeTest. Executives don\\\'t like to leave things \\\'implicit\\\', especially in a big-budget summer blockbuster. Why do you think we have tropes like CaptainObvious and ViewersAreMorons?
If it were a HiddenPurposeTest, then the \\\'other criteria\\\' would just be window dressing. The point of a HiddenPurposeTest is it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'real\\\'\\\' test, and the bulk, if not all, of what the examiners are really looking for. Therefore, if he passed those tests so easily, when all the other applicants have failed, then he would be hired without Zed having to be talked into it.
My \\\"strained interpretation of events\\\" isn\\\'t the one that requires completely ignoring the body language, which is \\\'\\\'an enormous part of human communication\\\'\\\'.
Show me some WordOfGod. Some script notes, some audio commentary, something Will Smith said drunk to a reporter while filming. \\\'\\\'Something\\\'\\\' that indicates that the writers intended it to be a HiddenPurposeTest. Something that doesn\\\'t require completely ignoring a major aspect of communication that actors are explicitly directed to display.
