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DivergentInfant
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No, \"you\'re late\" isn\'t equivalent to \"you\'re here\".
Like I said before, it\'s different. \"late\" in this is full of expectation, while \"here\" is much more sincere since it\'s more of
\"If Loki had decided to stay on Sakaar, Thor would have let him. But he knew that that wasn\'t what Loki actually wanted. That reverse psychology wasn\'t to manipulate Loki\'s person, but to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants\"
Lie, your statement is a complete lie.
Yes, thor would have let him, but thor would be disappointed as always because loki isn\'t meeting his expectation or what he always wanted him to be at all.
That reverse psychology wasn\'t to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants, it\'s to get Loki to be what thor thinks/perceives as what loki wants. It\'s to manipulate loki\'s own person to be what thor wanted him to be.
Let me debunk your \"thor\'s understanding loki\'s wants\" part.
Since when thor ever even understanding, or at least, try to understand him?
When?
If he really understand loki perfectly, he would have known that loki only wanted to be appreciated/validated as his own person, or his abilities and gifts to be as respected as thor\'s. Loki doesn\'t want to be thor\'s shadow, that\'s his inner wish (the reason why he spent in his three movies trying to get out of being thor\'s shadow), and those wish still exist inside loki till now.
If thor really has that sharp perception, he would have realized that, loki got back to be thor\'s shadow again like in the past, because that\'s the choice loki can has now in his life. Thor doesn\'t understand loki\'s inner deep. He know no such things. All he know is that he thinks that if loki get to be a good person again, they will be back to their old past relationship ( aka superior thor and inferior loki).
Come on, if there\'s one thing that\'s true throughout all those movies, it\'s that Thor \"loves\" and \"cares\" for Loki according to his own standard or terms only/not sincerely, unlike Frigga who always loves and cares deeply and sincerely for Loki.
Even as twisted/bad as Loki is, by IW, I will say that Loki\'s the one who actually loves and cares for his brother more sincerely seeing how he\'s willing to die for Thor whereas Thor never even thinks of that notion. Sorry for saying that.
Also to have another perception, you can compare to relationship between Gamora and Nebula, you can see that Gamora is far more better sister to Nebula than Thor to Loki ( both gamora and thor are supposedly the \"good sibling\" in \"good sibling, bad sibling\" tropes to Nebula and Loki and yet, gamora does much better job at being selfless, actually-admitting-her-own-fault, or non-hypocrite siblings than the \"good\" Thor).
Relationship between gamora and nebula is also more balance, seeing as their solve their issues by the consideration of the judgement of two persons sides (even though nebula maybe is more at fault, gamora seems to not considering her feelings/judgement as inferior), instead of thor and loki\'s relationship which centered around one-sided\'s judgement (loki\'s feeling/opinion/judgement is entirely inferior to Thor, in which, is the reason why Loki exploded into insanity in the first place, and those things still not changed in ragnarok either). To sums it up, the whole loki and thor relationship is only judged/validated through thor\'s terms only.
\"and to stop Loki from destroying his own life because of his own pride.\"
Thor is the one who have pride, while Loki has self-esteem/inferiority issue in which he try to covered up so hard by his fake pride.
Like I said before, it\'s different. \"late\" in this is full of expectation, while \"here\" is much more sincere since it\'s more of
\"If Loki had decided to stay on Sakaar, Thor would have let him. But he knew that that wasn\'t what Loki actually wanted. That reverse psychology wasn\'t to manipulate Loki\'s person, but to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants\"
Lie, your statement is a complete lie.
Yes, thor would have let him, but thor would be disappointed as always because loki isn\'t meeting his expectation or what he always wanted him to be at all.
That reverse psychology wasn\'t to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants, it\'s to get Loki to be what thor thinks/perceives as what loki wants. It\'s to manipulate loki\'s own person to be what thor wanted him to be.
Let me debunk your \"thor\'s understanding loki\'s wants\" part.
Since when thor ever even understanding, or at least, try to understand him?
When?
If he really understand loki perfectly, he would have known that loki only wanted to be appreciated/validated as his own person, or his abilities and gifts to be as respected as thor\'s. Loki doesn\'t want to be thor\'s shadow, that\'s his inner wish (the reason why he spent in his three movies trying to get out of being thor\'s shadow), and those wish still exist inside loki till now.
If thor really has that sharp perception, he would have realized that, loki got back to be thor\'s shadow again like in the past, because that\'s the choice loki can has now in his life. Thor doesn\'t understand loki\'s inner deep. He know no such things. All he know is that he thinks that if loki get to be a good person again, they will be back to their old past relationship ( aka superior thor and inferior loki).
Come on, if there\'s one thing that\'s true throughout all those movies, it\'s that Thor \"loves\" and \"cares\" for Loki according to his own standard or terms only/not sincerely, unlike Frigga who always loves and cares deeply and sincerely for Loki.
Even as twisted/bad as Loki is, by IW, I will say that Loki\'s the one who actually loves and cares for his brother more sincerely seeing how he\'s willing to die for Thor whereas Thor never even thinks of that notion. Sorry for saying that.
Also to have another perception, you can compare to relationship between Gamora and Nebula, you can see that Gamora is far more better sister to Nebula than Thor to Loki ( both gamora and thor are supposedly the \"good sibling\" in \"good sibling, bad sibling\" tropes to Nebula and Loki and yet, gamora does much better job at being selfless, actually-admitting-her-own-fault, or non-hypocrite siblings than the \"good\" Thor).
Relationship between gamora and nebula is also more balance, seeing as their solve their issues by the consideration of the judgement of two persons sides (even though nebula maybe is more at fault, gamora seems to not considering her feelings/judgement as inferior), instead of thor and loki\'s relationship which centered around one-sided\'s judgement (loki\'s feeling/opinion/judgement is entirely inferior to Thor, in which, is the reason why Loki exploded into insanity in the first place, and those things still not changed in ragnarok either). To sums it up, the whole loki and thor relationship is only judged/validated through thor\'s terms only.
\"and to stop Loki from destroying his own life because of his own pride.\"
Thor is the one who have pride, while Loki has self-esteem/inferiority issue in which he try to covered up so hard by his fake pride.
Changed line(s) 3 from:
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No,
to:
No, \"you\'re late\" isn\'t equivalent to \"you\'re here\".
Like I said before, it\'s different. \"late\" in this is full of expectation, while \"here\" is much more sincere since it\'s more of
\"If Loki had decided to stay on Sakaar, Thor would have let him. But he knew that that wasn\'t what Loki actually wanted. That reverse psychology wasn\'t to manipulate Loki\'s person, but to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants and to stop Loki from destroying his own life because of his own pride.\"
Lie, your statement is a complete lie.
Yes, thor would have let him, but thor would be disappointed as always because loki isn\'t meeting his expectation or what he always wanted him to be at all.
That reverse psychology wasn\'t to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants, it\'s to get Loki to be what thor thinks/perceives as what loki wants. It\'s to manipulate loki\'s own person to be what thor wanted him to be.
Let me debunk your \"thor\'s understanding loki\'s wants\" part.
Since when thor ever even understanding, or at least, try to understand him?
When?
If he really understand loki perfectly, he would have known that loki only wanted to be appreciated/validated as his own person, or his abilities and gifts to be as respected as thor\'s. Loki doesn\'t want to be thor\'s shadow, that\'s his inner wish (the reason why he spent in his three movies trying to get out of being thor\'s shadow), and those wish still exist inside loki till now.
If thor really has that sharp perception, he would have realized that, loki got back to be thor\'s shadow again like in the past, because that\'s the choice loki can has now in his life. Thor doesn\'t understand loki\'s inner deep. He know no such things. All he know is that he thinks that if loki get to be a good person again, they will be back to their old past relationship ( aka superior thor and inferior loki).
Come on, if there\'s one thing that\'s true throughout all those movies, it\'s that Thor \"loves\" and \"cares\" for Loki according to his own standard only/not sincerely, unlike Frigga who always loves and cares deeply and sincerely for Loki.
Even as twisted/bad as Loki is, by IW, I will say that Loki\'s the one who actually loves and cares for his brother more sincerely seeing how he\'s willing to die for Thor whereas Thor never even thinks of that notion. Sorry for saying that.
Also to have another perception, you can compare to relationship between Gamora and Nebula, you can see that Gamora is far more better sister to Nebula than Thor to Loki ( both gamora and thor are supposedly the \"good sibling\" in \"good sibling, bad sibling\" tropes to Nebula and Loki and yet, gamora does much better job at being selfless, actually-admitting-her-own-fault, or non-hypocrite siblings than the \"good\" Thor).
Relationship between gamora and nebula is also more balance, seeing as their solve their issues by the consideration of the judgement of two persons sides (even though nebula maybe is more at fault, gamora seems to not considering her feelings/judgement as inferior), instead of thor and loki\'s relationship which centered around one-sided\'s judgement (loki\'s feeling/opinion/judgement is entirely inferior to Thor, in which, is the reason why Loki exploded into insanity in the first place, and those things still not changed in ragnarok either).
Like I said before, it\'s different. \"late\" in this is full of expectation, while \"here\" is much more sincere since it\'s more of
\"If Loki had decided to stay on Sakaar, Thor would have let him. But he knew that that wasn\'t what Loki actually wanted. That reverse psychology wasn\'t to manipulate Loki\'s person, but to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants and to stop Loki from destroying his own life because of his own pride.\"
Lie, your statement is a complete lie.
Yes, thor would have let him, but thor would be disappointed as always because loki isn\'t meeting his expectation or what he always wanted him to be at all.
That reverse psychology wasn\'t to get Loki to understand what Loki himself really wants, it\'s to get Loki to be what thor thinks/perceives as what loki wants. It\'s to manipulate loki\'s own person to be what thor wanted him to be.
Let me debunk your \"thor\'s understanding loki\'s wants\" part.
Since when thor ever even understanding, or at least, try to understand him?
When?
If he really understand loki perfectly, he would have known that loki only wanted to be appreciated/validated as his own person, or his abilities and gifts to be as respected as thor\'s. Loki doesn\'t want to be thor\'s shadow, that\'s his inner wish (the reason why he spent in his three movies trying to get out of being thor\'s shadow), and those wish still exist inside loki till now.
If thor really has that sharp perception, he would have realized that, loki got back to be thor\'s shadow again like in the past, because that\'s the choice loki can has now in his life. Thor doesn\'t understand loki\'s inner deep. He know no such things. All he know is that he thinks that if loki get to be a good person again, they will be back to their old past relationship ( aka superior thor and inferior loki).
Come on, if there\'s one thing that\'s true throughout all those movies, it\'s that Thor \"loves\" and \"cares\" for Loki according to his own standard only/not sincerely, unlike Frigga who always loves and cares deeply and sincerely for Loki.
Even as twisted/bad as Loki is, by IW, I will say that Loki\'s the one who actually loves and cares for his brother more sincerely seeing how he\'s willing to die for Thor whereas Thor never even thinks of that notion. Sorry for saying that.
Also to have another perception, you can compare to relationship between Gamora and Nebula, you can see that Gamora is far more better sister to Nebula than Thor to Loki ( both gamora and thor are supposedly the \"good sibling\" in \"good sibling, bad sibling\" tropes to Nebula and Loki and yet, gamora does much better job at being selfless, actually-admitting-her-own-fault, or non-hypocrite siblings than the \"good\" Thor).
Relationship between gamora and nebula is also more balance, seeing as their solve their issues by the consideration of the judgement of two persons sides (even though nebula maybe is more at fault, gamora seems to not considering her feelings/judgement as inferior), instead of thor and loki\'s relationship which centered around one-sided\'s judgement (loki\'s feeling/opinion/judgement is entirely inferior to Thor, in which, is the reason why Loki exploded into insanity in the first place, and those things still not changed in ragnarok either).
