** The Broly story arc, as shown in \'\'Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly\'\', displays some other Romantic ideals. Broly has been raised on a deserted planet only accompanied by his father Paragus. As a result, he is a socially awkward NobleSavage who doesn\'t act based on the other civilized members of the Frieza Force motives (e.g. greed, hubris, hatred towards particular groups of people). By contrast, Frieza and Paragus are acting out of their respective grudges against the heroes and thus manipulate Broly into being a weapon to serve that end. Notably Goku even says of Broly that he isn\'t a bad guy and wishes he wouldn\'t be working with the two aforementioned villains. However, Frieza does exploit the Saiyan\'s emotion derived power [[spoiler: by shooting Paragus in the chest and then claiming to Broly that a stray blast killed his father]] in order to trigger the Super Saiyan transformation. [[spoiler: When Broly and his companions are visited by Goku after the battle on earth, the former shows no sort of ill will while Goku offers capsules with some amenities to them and extends a hand of friendship.]]
As crazy as some people would think of me bringing this up, but could the Dragon Ball series apply (specifically leaning towards romanticism)? I\'ll let some fellow tropers look through this and offer their feedback before I add this under the Anime/Manga section.
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As crazy as some people would think of me bringing this up, but could the Dragon Ball series apply (specifically leaning towards romanticism)? I\\\'ll let some fellow tropers look through this and offer their feedback before I add this under the Anime/Manga section. Major SPOILER WARNING about the Broly example (given that spoiler tags won\\\'t show up on the discussion page) for those who want to avoid being spoiled on that.
As crazy as some people would think of me bringing this up, but could the Dragon Ball series apply (specifically leaning towards romanticism). I\'ll explain...
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As crazy as some people would think of me bringing this up, but could the Dragon Ball series apply (specifically leaning towards romanticism)? I\\\'ll let some fellow tropers look through this and offer their feedback before I add this under the Anime/Manga section.
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** King Piccolo, as a ContrastingSequelAntagonist, is far more romanticist in outlook. In addition to restoring his youth via the Dragon Balls, he simply seeks to rule the world as a king with no other sort of ideological agenda (e.g. seeking to create a utopia, claiming the supremacy of one ethnic group over another, etc.). He also claims to be a demon (though later revealed to be of an alien race known as Namekians) and thus proudly wheres his disinterest in modernity on his sleeve and was the greatest threat that Goku and co. fought against when he first appeared because he had martial arts skills and training instead of relying on technology. His son, Piccolo, by contrast eventually reveals himself as a good example of Romanticism (RousseauWasRight) after training and caring for his ex-opponents\' son.
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** King Piccolo, as a ContrastingSequelAntagonist, is far more romanticist in outlook. In addition to restoring his youth via the Dragon Balls, he simply seeks to rule the world as a king with no other sort of ideological agenda (e.g. seeking to create a utopia, claiming the supremacy of one ethnic group over another, etc.). He also claims to be a demon (though later revealed to be of an alien race known as Namekians) and thus proudly wears his disinterest in modernity on his sleeve. He was the greatest threat that Goku and co. fought against when he first appeared because he had martial arts skills and training instead of relying on technology. Also worth noting that Akira Toriyama has stated King Piccolo is his favorite of villain from the Dragon Ball series. His son, Piccolo, by contrast eventually reveals himself as a good example of Romanticism (RousseauWasRight) after training and caring for his ex-opponents\\\' son.
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** Dr. Gero, relies on technology to create his soldiers, consisting of fully artificial androids (Androids 16 and 19), cyborgs (17, 18, and himself), and a Bio-robot (Cell) made from the genetic material of various warriors. However, Gero has long lost interest in the Red Ribbon Armies goal of world conquest and simply wants everyone to suffer. Cell somewhat believes in Enlightenment principles though is more of an {{Ubermensch}} than anything else. Cell genuinely believes that he is perfect upon absorbing 17 and 18 and holds a tournament to trumpet how he is the greatest being in the universe via Bio-engineering and then destroy everyone on Earth after his assumed victory in his Cell Games. However, Gohan taps into his emotions, brought about by the destruction of 16 (who like Android 8 described earlier developed his own free will and decided to work with the man he was programmed to kill to save the world and its inhabitants), to achieve a new form, Super Saiyan 2, in order to defeat and ultimately kill Cell.
** Some of the Majin Buu saga\'s antagonists are more romanticist derived in their mindsets. While [[EvilSorcerer Babidi]] and his minions have no particular philosophy, the titular Majin Buu of this story arc displays certain romanticist ideals. The first form that is shown, Fat Buu (sometimes called Innocent Buu) is in many ways like a young child that has not been raised to know right and wrong and thus is oblivious to how others are hurt by his rampage. Mr. Satan ([[{{Bowdlerise}} AKA Hercule]]) manages to get him to promise to never kill again after [[RousseauWasRight befriending him]]. However, when gunmen attempt to kill Mr. Satan, Buu expels his wrathful and selfish nature [[EnemyWithout into a new being]], Evil Buu (of who can be considered an example of Dark Romanticism in a sense), who then absorbs the former becoming Super Buu and going on a rampage seeking to kill everyone simply because he can. However, when Super Buu is defused from Fat Buu he then turns into a being of pure animalistic instinct known as Kid Buu who is not acting under any sort of civilized notion of morality at all.
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** Dr. Gero, relies on technology to create his soldiers, consisting of fully artificial androids (Androids 16 and 19), cyborgs (17, 18, and himself), and a Bio-robot (Cell) made from the genetic material of various warriors. However, Gero has long lost interest in the Red Ribbon Army\\\'s goal of world conquest and simply wants everyone to suffer in retaliation for his son\\\'s death just before the destruction of the RRA. Cell somewhat believes in Enlightenment principles though is more of a narcissistic {{Ubermensch}} than anything else. Cell genuinely believes that he is perfect upon absorbing 17 and 18 and holds a tournament to trumpet how he is the greatest being in the universe via Bio-engineering and then destroy everyone on Earth after his assumed victory in his Cell Games. However, Gohan taps into his emotions, brought about by the destruction of 16, to achieve a new form, Super Saiyan 2, in order to defeat and ultimately kill Cell.
*** Androids 17 and 18 are irreverent joy seekers who couldn\\\'t care less about what authority figures (Dr. Gero included as he found out the hard way) expect of them (and arguably during this time could be considered Byronic heroes of sorts). Android 16, like Android 8 mentioned earlier, initially follows his programming, but manages to gain an appreciation of nature and thus decided to fight against Cell to prevent him from destroying the Earth and all the people and animals that inhabit it. Though in latter sagas 17 and 18 grow out of this delinquency, with the former becoming a wild life ranger who protects endangered animals from poachers and the latter becoming a wife and mother.
** Some of the Majin Buu saga\\\'s antagonists are more romanticist derived in their mindsets, thus making this another Romantic vs Romantic conflict. While [[EvilSorcerer Babidi]] and his minions have no particular philosophy, the titular Majin Buu of this story arc displays certain romanticist ideals. The first form that is shown, Fat Buu (sometimes called Innocent Buu) is like a young child that has not been raised to know right and wrong and thus is oblivious to how others are hurt by his path of destruction. Mr. Satan ([[{{Bowdlerise}} AKA Hercule]]) manages to get him to promise to never kill again after [[RousseauWasRight befriending him]]. However, when gunmen attempt to kill Mr. Satan, Buu expels his wrathful and selfish nature [[EnemyWithout into a new being]], Evil Buu (of who can be considered an example of Dark Romanticism in a sense), who then absorbs the former becoming Super Buu and going on a rampage seeking to kill everyone simply because he can. However, when Super Buu is defused from Fat Buu he then turns into a being of pure animalistic instinct known as Kid Buu who is not acting under any sort of civilized notion of morality at all.
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** The various teams that compete in the Tournament of Power during the [[Recap/DragonBallSuperUniverseSurvivalArc Universe Survival Saga]] run the gamut between these philosophies. While the teams from Universes 4, 9, and 10 do not represent any particular ideology, the teams of Universes 2, 6, and 7 are mostly Romantic (with some individual exceptions) while those from Universes 3 and 11 are Enlightenment. Most of the Second Universe\'s fighters are devoted to Love and Beauty while the counter part universes of 6 and 7 embody various aspects of individualism. The fighters of the Third Universe consist of various cyborgs, robots, and a MadScientist. The Pride Troopers of the Eleventh hold strict views of Justice and also do not care about emotional appeals, especially of lawbreakers, and thus largely fight without mercy and only regard fighting and victory as a means to an end rather than any sort of test of skill and strength. Though the Third and Eleventh Universe were among the last three in fight, they still fail to Universe 7\'s fighters given that they had a balance of both rugged individualism and [[ThePowerOfFriendship trust between each other]] in order to outlast everyone else and win the battle royale.
** \'\'Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly\'\' titular character displays the Romantic ideal of the NobleSavage. Broly has been raised on a deserted planet only accompanied by his father Paragus. As a result, he is a socially awkward individual who doesn\'t act based on the other civilized members of the Frieza Force motives (e.g. greed, hubris, hatred towards particular groups of people).
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** The various teams that compete in the Tournament of Power during the [[Recap/DragonBallSuperUniverseSurvivalArc Universe Survival Saga]] run the gamut between these philosophies. While the teams from Universes 4, 9, and 10 do not represent any particular ideology, the teams of Universes 2, 6, and 7 are mostly Romantic (with some individual exceptions) while those from Universes 3 and 11 are Enlightenment. Most of the Second Universe\\\'s fighters are devoted to Love and Beauty while the counter part universes of 6 and 7 embody various aspects of individualism. The fighters of the Third Universe consist of various cyborgs, robots, and a MadScientist. The Pride Troopers of the Eleventh hold strict views of Justice and are indifferent to emotional appeals, especially from lawbreakers, and thus only regard fighting and victory as a means to an end rather than any sort of test of skill and strength and [[BloodKnight certainly not any sort of sport to be enjoyed]]. Though the Third and Eleventh Universe were among the last three in the fight, they still fail to Universe 7\\\'s fighters given that they had a balance of both rugged individualism and [[ThePowerOfFriendship trust between each other]] in order to outlast everyone else and win the battle royale.
** The Broly story arc, as shown in \\\'\\\'Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly\\\'\\\', displays some other Romantic ideals. Broly has been raised on a deserted planet only accompanied by his father Paragus. As a result, he is a socially awkward NobleSavage who doesn\\\'t act based on the other civilized members of the Frieza Force motives (e.g. greed, hubris, hatred towards particular groups of people). By contrast, Frieza and Paragus are acting out of their respective grudges against the heroes and thus manipulate Broly into being a weapon to serve that end. Notably Goku even says of Broly that he isn\\\'t a bad guy and wishes he wouldn\\\'t be working with the two aforementioned villains. However, Frieza does exploit the Saiyan\\\'s emotion derived power [[spoiler: by shooting Paragus in the chest and then claiming to Broly that a stray blast killed his father]] in order to trigger the Super Saiyan transformation. [[spoiler: When Broly and his companions are visited by Goku after the battle on earth, the former shows no sort of ill will while Goku offers capsules with some amenities to them and extends a hand of friendship.]]
** In Anime/DragonBallGT, the Shadow Dragons to some extent represent a Romantic mindset. They are created as a result of the overuse of the Dragon Balls, of which Bulma\\\'s creation of the Dragon Radar contributed to this by making them easier to find, and thus unleash a sort of GaiasVengeance on the human race.
\'\'Franchise/DragonBall\'\': Given that the most of the heroes consist of various martial artists (of which the protagonist, Son Goku, spent his early life growing up in the wilderness after his adoptive grandfather\'s death) and in the case of Vegeta is a prince of a near extinct species who has some [[HotBlooded fervent pride]] for this heritage, and not to mention all sorts of magic and supernatural beings, this series is largely Pro-Romanticist by default. However this isn\'t to say that the series is anti-Enlightenment, given that Bulma\'s Dragon Radar and other creations of Capsule Corp are important to helping Goku and co. with whatever needs they need, the series also displays some wariness of becoming overly reliant on technology and methodology, especially at the expense of instinct and appreciation of nature and traditions. Most (but not all) antagonists represent some of the negative aspects of Enlightenment thinking. Some examples include the following:
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\\\'\\\'Franchise/DragonBall\\\'\\\': Given that the most of the heroes consist of various martial artists (of which the protagonist, Son Goku, spent his early life growing up in the wilderness after his adoptive grandfather\\\'s death) and in the case of Vegeta is a prince of a near extinct species who has some [[HotBlooded fervent pride]] for this heritage, and not to mention all sorts of magic and supernatural beings, this series is largely Pro-Romanticist by default. This isn\\\'t to say that the series is anti-Enlightenment, given that Bulma\\\'s Dragon Radar and other creations of Capsule Corp are important to helping Goku and co. with whatever needs they need, the series also displays some wariness of becoming overly reliant on technology and methodology, especially at the expense of instinct and appreciation of nature and traditions. Most (but not all) antagonists represent some of the negative aspects of Enlightenment thinking. Some examples include the following:
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** Dr. Gero, relies on technology to create his soldiers, consisting of fully artificial androids (Androids 16 and 19), cyborgs (17, 18, and himself), and a Bio-robot (Cell) made from the genetic material of various warriors. However, Gero has long lost interest in the Red Ribbon Armies goal of world conquest and simply wants everyone to suffer. Cell somewhat believes in Enlightenment principles though is also a bit of a StrawNihilist. Cell genuinely believes that he is perfect upon absorbing 17 and 18 and holds a tournament to trumpet how he is the greatest being in the universe via Bio-engineering and then destroy everyone on Earth after his assumed victory in his Cell Games. However, Gohan taps into his emotions to achieve a new form, Super Saiyan 2, in order to defeat and ultimately kill Cell.
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** Dr. Gero, relies on technology to create his soldiers, consisting of fully artificial androids (Androids 16 and 19), cyborgs (17, 18, and himself), and a Bio-robot (Cell) made from the genetic material of various warriors. However, Gero has long lost interest in the Red Ribbon Armies goal of world conquest and simply wants everyone to suffer. Cell somewhat believes in Enlightenment principles though is more of an {{Ubermensch}} than anything else. Cell genuinely believes that he is perfect upon absorbing 17 and 18 and holds a tournament to trumpet how he is the greatest being in the universe via Bio-engineering and then destroy everyone on Earth after his assumed victory in his Cell Games. However, Gohan taps into his emotions, brought about by the destruction of 16 (who like Android 8 described earlier developed his own free will and decided to work with the man he was programmed to kill to save the world and its inhabitants), to achieve a new form, Super Saiyan 2, in order to defeat and ultimately kill Cell.
** Some of the Majin Buu saga\\\'s antagonists are more romanticist derived in their mindsets. While [[EvilSorcerer Babidi]] and his minions have no particular philosophy, the titular Majin Buu of this story arc displays certain romanticist ideals. The first form that is shown, Fat Buu (sometimes called Innocent Buu) is in many ways like a young child that has not been raised to know right and wrong and thus is oblivious to how others are hurt by his rampage. Mr. Satan ([[{{Bowdlerise}} AKA Hercule]]) manages to get him to promise to never kill again after [[RousseauWasRight befriending him]]. However, when gunmen attempt to kill Mr. Satan, Buu expels his wrathful and selfish nature [[EnemyWithout into a new being]], Evil Buu (of who can be considered an example of Dark Romanticism in a sense), who then absorbs the former becoming Super Buu and going on a rampage seeking to kill everyone simply because he can. However, when Super Buu is defused from Fat Buu he then turns into a being of pure animalistic instinct known as Kid Buu who is not acting under any sort of civilized notion of morality at all.
** Zamasu and Goku Black are solid examples of the [[HobbesWasRight worst elements of the Enlightenment]]. Upon seeing both the [[HumansAreBastards barbaric nature of some mortals]], despite the gods granting [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill sapience to them choose not to live that way]], as well as how powerful some mortals have become, Zamasu decides that all mortals most be destroyed in order to make a peaceful universe where only the gods would reside free of chaos and mortal evil. While other antagonists have committed destructive acts of villainy, he is portrayed as particularly monstrous based on [[KnightTemplar Zamasu and Goku Black\\\'s warped view of justice]].
** The various teams that compete in the Tournament of Power during the [[Recap/DragonBallSuperUniverseSurvivalArc Universe Survival Saga]] run the gamut between these philosophies. While the teams from Universes 4, 9, and 10 do not represent any particular ideology, the teams of Universes 2, 6, and 7 are mostly Romantic (with some individual exceptions) while those from Universes 3 and 11 are Enlightenment. Most of the Second Universe\\\'s fighters are devoted to Love and Beauty while the counter part universes of 6 and 7 embody various aspects of individualism. The fighters of the Third Universe consist of various cyborgs, robots, and a MadScientist. The Pride Troopers of the Eleventh hold strict views of Justice and also do not care about emotional appeals, especially of lawbreakers, and thus largely fight without mercy and only regard fighting and victory as a means to an end rather than any sort of test of skill and strength. Though the Third and Eleventh Universe were among the last three in fight, they still fail to Universe 7\\\'s fighters given that they had a balance of both rugged individualism and [[ThePowerOfFriendship trust between each other]] in order to outlast everyone else and win the battle royale.
** \\\'\\\'Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly\\\'\\\' titular character displays the Romantic ideal of the NobleSavage. Broly has been raised on a deserted planet only accompanied by his father Paragus. As a result, he is a socially awkward individual who doesn\\\'t act based on the other civilized members of the Frieza Force motives (e.g. greed, hubris, hatred towards particular groups of people).
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** The Red Ribbon rather obviously employs various forms of weapons and other technology (e.g. [[MiniMecha Battle Jackets]]) to achieve their goal of getting the Dragon Balls to achieve Commander Red\'s goal, which they believe to be world domination, [[spoiler: but actually reveals he just wants to be a few inches taller]]. Everyone the Red Ribbon Army throws at Goku is defeated with ease and are only able to inflict a defeat on him when they hire Mercenary Tao Pai Pai, an assassin who also has extensive martial arts expertise.
** King Piccolo, as a ContrastingSequelAntagonist, is far more romanticist in outlook. In addition to restoring his youth via the Dragon Balls, he simply seeks to rule the world as a king with no other sort of ideological agenda (e.g. seeking to create a utopia, claiming the supremacy of one ethnic group over another, etc.). He also claims to be a demon (though later revealed to be of an alien race known as Namekians) and thus proudly wheres his disinterest in modernity on his sleeve. His son, Piccolo, by contrast eventually reveals himself as a good example of Romanticism (RousseauWasRight) after training and caring for his ex-opponents\' son.
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** The Red Ribbon employs various forms of weapons and other technology (e.g. [[MiniMecha Battle Jackets]]) to achieve their goal of getting the Dragon Balls to achieve Commander Red\\\'s goal, which they believe to be world domination, [[spoiler: but actually reveals he just wants to be a few inches taller]]. Everyone the Red Ribbon Army throws at Goku is defeated with ease and are only able to inflict a defeat on him when they hire Mercenary Tao Pai Pai, an assassin who also has extensive martial arts expertise. Also amusing to note that one creation of the Red Ribbon Army, Android 8 (who has a resemblance to the creature from Frankenstein (which is under Literature below), developed its own free will and decided against serving his creators and instead protect people and nature from the RRA.
** King Piccolo, as a ContrastingSequelAntagonist, is far more romanticist in outlook. In addition to restoring his youth via the Dragon Balls, he simply seeks to rule the world as a king with no other sort of ideological agenda (e.g. seeking to create a utopia, claiming the supremacy of one ethnic group over another, etc.). He also claims to be a demon (though later revealed to be of an alien race known as Namekians) and thus proudly wheres his disinterest in modernity on his sleeve and was the greatest threat that Goku and co. fought against when he first appeared because he had martial arts skills and training instead of relying on technology. His son, Piccolo, by contrast eventually reveals himself as a good example of Romanticism (RousseauWasRight) after training and caring for his ex-opponents\\\' son.
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** Dr. Gero, relies on technology to create his soldiers, consisting of fully artificial androids (Androids 16 and 19), cyborgs (17, 18, and himself), and a Bio-robot (Cell) made from the genetic material of various warriors. However, Gero has long lost interest in the Red Ribbon Armies goal of world conquest and simply wants everyone to suffer. Cell somewhat believes in Enlightenment principles, though is also a bit of a StrawNihilist.
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** Dr. Gero, relies on technology to create his soldiers, consisting of fully artificial androids (Androids 16 and 19), cyborgs (17, 18, and himself), and a Bio-robot (Cell) made from the genetic material of various warriors. However, Gero has long lost interest in the Red Ribbon Armies goal of world conquest and simply wants everyone to suffer. Cell somewhat believes in Enlightenment principles though is also a bit of a StrawNihilist. Cell genuinely believes that he is perfect upon absorbing 17 and 18 and holds a tournament to trumpet how he is the greatest being in the universe via Bio-engineering and then destroy everyone on Earth after his assumed victory in his Cell Games. However, Gohan taps into his emotions to achieve a new form, Super Saiyan 2, in order to defeat and ultimately kill Cell.
