Discussion History Characters / DragonBallFighterZ

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same, because people are more likely to actually assume that they\'re zealots/terrorists/heathens/whatever. It\'s a different cultural context.

On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that there\'s absolutely no resemblance to actual, mainstream Christian practices (just the names and a few bits of imagery) \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Having the kett give themselves religious titles is also a quick, easy way to express that they view their work as a holy calling, and Christian titles are going to resonate with the largest number of people. People will already know what the terms mean, and they have a strong presence in popular culture.
They may be criticizing extreme dogmatism, if their goal is social commentary at all, but that criticism is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in or push a hidden agenda. Zealotry is kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. The only thing that can be directly inferred from the scene itself is that it knows it\'s about to die. And the kett also seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page/entry. That\'s just complaining.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that there\'s absolutely no resemblance to actual, mainstream Christian practices (just the names and a few bits of imagery) \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Having the kett give themselves religious titles is also a quick, easy way to express that they view their work as a holy calling, and Christian titles are going to resonate with the largest number of people. People will already know what the terms mean, and they have a strong presence in popular culture.
They may be criticizing extreme dogmatism, if their goal is social commentary at all, but that criticism is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in or push a hidden agenda. Zealotry is kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. The only thing that can be directly inferred from the scene itself is that it knows it\'s about to die. And the kett also seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page/entry. That\'s just complaining.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that there\'s absolutely no resemblance to actual, mainstream Christian practices (just the names and a few bits of imagery) \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Having the kett give themselves religious titles is also a quick, easy way to express that they\'re really freaking dogmatic, and Christian titles are going to resonate with the largest number of people. People will already know what the terms mean, and they have a strong presence in popular culture.
They may be criticizing extreme dogmatism, if their goal is social commentary at all, but that criticism is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in or push a hidden agenda. Zealotry is kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. The only thing that can be directly inferred from the scene itself is that it knows it\'s about to die. And the kett also seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page/entry. That\'s just complaining.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that there\'s absolutely no resemblance to actual, mainstream Christian practices (just the names and a few bits of imagery) \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Criticism of extreme dogmatism is also a possibility, but that point is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in. It\'s kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. The only thing that can be directly inferred from the scene itself is that it knows it\'s about to die. And the kett also seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page/entry. That\'s just complaining.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that the names were the *only* resemblance to real Christianity, \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Being against extreme dogmatism is also a possibility, but that point is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in. It\'s kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. The only thing that can be directly inferred from the scene itself is that it knows it\'s about to die. And the kett also seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page/entry. That\'s just complaining.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that the names were the *only* resemblance to real Christianity, \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Being against extreme dogmatism is also a possibility, but that point is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in. It\'s kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. The only thing that can be directly inferred from the scene itself is that it knows it\'s about to die. And the kett also seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page/entry. That\'s just complaining.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). Given that the names were the *only* resemblance to real Christianity, \"gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Being against extreme dogmatism is also a possibility, but that point is not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in. It\'s kind of a stock villain trait by this point.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. It slumps over and looks back at the approaching energy wave, which only directly says that it knows it\'s dying. And the kett seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page. That goes into \"complaining\" territory.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^

Thing is, lifting titles from a more marginalized religion would come off differently because they already have a history of being demonized/generally treated badly, and people would (understandably) assume that portrayal was more of the same. On the other hand, statistically, it\'s safe to assume that at least some of the devs *are* Christian, and that they don\'t all hate Christianity (especially not enough to alienate a big chunk of their audience). \"Gratuitous faux religious symbolism\" is more likely. Being against extreme dogmatism is also a possibility, but it\'s not so controversial that they need to be accused of trying to \"sneak\" that sentiment in.

And the Collector General thing is kind of half fanon. It slumps over and looks back at the approaching energy wave, which only directly says that it knows it\'s dying. And the kett seem to be indoctrinated, or something like it (why else do angara just completely drop their old lives and become fanatics after being kett-ified?) Also, the comparison to the original trilogy would be kind of beside the point on this page. That goes into \"complaining\" territory.

I get what you\'re saying re: the appeal to popularity. But, on the other hand, if every troper added every YMMV trope that expressed their own opinion, the page would be meaningless. If you look at most tropes on these pages, they either explicitly talk about the *fandom\'s* reactions, or at the very least, don\'t look like they\'re there because one specific person is bitter. Maybe my interpretation is different than someone else\'s, so I\'m open to other opinions, and if the rest of the community thinks it belongs, I\'ll let it be, but that\'s what I see.

But the lack of a direct agenda to point to was also a big thing, so thanks for being a good sport about that ^^