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'''Larkmarn:''' What does it mean, then? Midnighter from Wildstorm Comics started as an obvious expy of Batman while Apollo was an expy of Superman. Both of them, however started with their own designs and origins and later BECAME part of the DC Universe itself. The same is true of other Batman/Superman Expies like Blue Beetle (the original Blue Beetle was a Superman rip-off while the second was a Batman rip-off) and Shazam/Captain Marvel.
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\'\'\'Larkmarn:\'\'\' What does it mean, then? Midnighter from Wildstorm Comics started as an obvious expy of Batman while Apollo was an expy of Superman. Both of them, however started with their own designs and origins and much different personalities (being willing to be brutal and use lethal force for one--being gay for two) and later BECAME part of the DC Universe itself, where they evolved away even further. The same is true of other Batman/Superman Expies like Blue Beetle (the original Blue Beetle was a Superman rip-off while the second was a Batman rip-off) and Shazam/Captain Marvel.
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I'm using these examples because they are flat out rip-offs of the characters in question who evolved into their own characters.
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I\'m using these examples because they are flat out rip-offs of the characters in question who evolved into their own characters. There is ZERO doubt that these characters are Expies, but according to the rules you guys are using, they wouldn\'t qualify. To me, that ruins the point of the trope.
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Your assessment of Captain America is incorrect. You are using the post-SilverAge reboot of Captain America, ''NOT'' the original character. Sure, post-reboot, Captain America was put on ice and reawoke to the modern era, but that wasn't the original character.
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Your assessment of Captain America is incorrect. You are using the post-SilverAge reboot of Captain America, \'\'NOT\'\' the original character. Sure, post-reboot, Captain America was put on ice and reawoke to the modern era, but that wasn\'t the original character.
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Jack Morrison is an Expy of Golden Age Cap, with the exception that Jack Morrison was never frozen. Also, if you really want to be technical, Captain America ''did'' go through his
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Jack Morrison is an Expy of Golden Age Cap, with the exception that Jack Morrison was never frozen. Also, if you really want to be technical, Captain America \'\'did\'\' go through his \"grizzled old man\" schtick--on numerous occasions, he quit being Captain America and became either The Captain or Nomad. Ultimate Captain America was the \"bitter man out of time\" version.
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'''Larkmarn:''' What does it mean, then? Midnighter from Wildstorm Comics started as an obvious expy of Batman while Apollo was an expy of Superman. Both of them, however started with their own designs and origins and later BECAME part of the DC Universe itself. The same is true of other Batman/Superman Expies like Blue Beetle (the original Blue Beetle was a Superman rip-off while the second was a Batman rip-off) and Shazam/Captain Marvel.
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\'\'\'Larkmarn:\'\'\' What does it mean, then? Midnighter from Wildstorm Comics started as an obvious expy of Batman while Apollo was an expy of Superman. Both of them, however started with their own designs and origins and later BECAME part of the DC Universe itself. The same is true of other Batman/Superman Expies like Blue Beetle (the original Blue Beetle was a Superman rip-off while the second was a Batman rip-off) and Shazam/Captain Marvel.
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I'm using these examples because they are flat out rip-offs of the characters in question who evolved into their own characters.
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I\'m using these examples because they are flat out rip-offs of the characters in question who evolved into their own characters.
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Your assessment of Captain America is incorrect. You are using the post-SilverAge reboot of Captain America, ''NOT'' the original character. Sure, post-reboot, Captain America was put on ice and reawoke to the modern era, but that wasn't the original character.
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Your assessment of Captain America is incorrect. You are using the post-SilverAge reboot of Captain America, \'\'NOT\'\' the original character. Sure, post-reboot, Captain America was put on ice and reawoke to the modern era, but that wasn\'t the original character.
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Jack Morrison is an Expy of Golden Age Cap, with the exception that Jack Morrison was never frozen. Also, if you really want to be technically, Captain America ''did'' go through his
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Jack Morrison is an Expy of Golden Age Cap, with the exception that Jack Morrison was never frozen. Also, if you really want to be technical, Captain America \'\'did\'\' go through his \"grizzled old man\" schtick--on numerous occasions, he quit being Captain America and became either The Captain or Nomad. Ultimate Captain America was the \"bitter man out of time\" version.
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