Hey now. Koishi had some memorable spellcards in SA. Like Youkai Polygraph.
Heart of Stone
Court Dragon
Fair enough. I just think Embryo's Dream is on another level.
Or maybe I'm biased because I can actually reach Koishi in DS. 
edited 20th Sep '15 1:00:32 AM by Enlong
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Yeah, my theory was that most people flat-out never got to Koishi in SA
Sorry for butting in but how well established have we gotten Junko's backstory here on Tv Tropes? Wherever I look I see a different interpretation of it. For example I found a guy called "ap1001" who had dug up some info from a Chinese forum, and that info seems quite a bit different from what we have here. To quote him:
[Warning: there will be a mix of original myth and zun myth] The original tale of Junko or Xuanqi, goes something like this. She was originally the daughter of a lord back in ancient china, but one day while outside, the xia dynasty emperor, Houyi, was attracted by her beauty. He then forced her to be his wife and killed her son, Bofeng, these all greatly angered Junko. So she teamed up with HanZhuo, one of Houyi's more ambitious subjects, and planned to kill Houyi and make HanZhuo the emperor. So for years they began secretly teaming up with all of Houyi's subject, until all of the people around them are part of the plan (Which was very easy considering Houyi was a tyrant and a shitty emperor). So one day, after they got Houyi drunk, they killed him and the rest of his family then made HanZhuo emperor. In the end, Junko got her long time revenge by chopping Houyi's dead body into little pieces and forcing his sons to eat his flesh.
As for Chang'e, everyone know the story of the Houyi who shoot down the ten suns and Chang'e was that Houyi's wife. There are some additional bits that is more obscure, the bow that Houyi killed the ten suns with was given to him by DiJun he gave it to him for him to maintain peace of the land, but ended up killing DiJun's sons (the suns). For this Houyi was stripped of his power, but XiWangMu took pity and presented to him the immortal medicine, however the medicine were all eaten by Chang'e and Houyi was left to die on earth. (In some version Chang'e regretted this decision, in others she didn't)
It gets even more weird when you consider the ten suns relationship in all this (Involving XiHe), but that is beside the point. It is a very confusing myth/history, cause it is confusing, China didn't have a very good record of this period of time and any reliable pieces got burned up in the cultural revolution.
Now for ZUN version, which is basically a mix of the two. Houyi was the hero who shoot the ten suns (killing apollo and 8 other sun gods) and was very high-classed, he had two wifes, Junko and Chang'e, he also killed Bofeng, the child he had with Junko. As for the reasons for him killing Bofeng, no one knows, there are a group of Chinese fans who are digging around ShanHaiJing and coming up with a couple possible explanation (ranging from him choosing Chang'e over Junko to more outlandish explanations). The fact is he did it, and Junko hate him for it, the rest went like the myth, she killed him, in fact she killed him so thoroughly there were nothing left of his soul. But Chang'e went back to the moon before Junko could make her pay for her part of Junko's lost (which is surprisingly, a lot). And she have been pissed off ever since.
The more interesting bits are when you dig around this mythology, I would say this is one of the more interesting myths to dig around cause it makes the entire thing more of a mess. - First interesting bit, in Houyi's sun shooting myth, according to ShanHaiJing (or some other Chinese myth book), Houyi shoot down the suns under the direction of what could be the Celestial Bureaucracy, the ten suns were sons of the goddess XiHe. Which is hilarious when taken in Touhou term, meaning Apollo was the son of XiHe, not sure if Zun realise it or not, but it makes for a pretty hilarious meta. - Second interesting bit, depending on which version, Houyi was either worshiped as a hero, or greatly punished for his action. In Touhou version, it boils down to the Celestial Bureaucracy seem to be happy while the other aboriginal myth gods are pissed off at him (such as Hecatia). Seem to be more Central Mythology vs Aboriginal Mythology. - Chang'e was the wife of DiJun, who is also the husband of XiHe. Dijun was also Houyi's boss in ShanHaiJing. The part where people say that Houyi shooting the suns killed Junko's son, was probably a mistake in mixing XiHe and Junko. Which is understandable cause Chang'e married both of these mens, it also have something to do with the source of XiHe and Junko's myth, but the records gets way too fuzzy at that point. - Another interesting bit about ZUN's version of Houyi is that he is really really REALLY died, otherwise Junko and Hecatia wouldn't be going after Chang'e.
edited 20th Sep '15 3:23:47 AM by matteste
Shocking Gun!
As for now, we have mainly been going with what the character profiles have said about Junko.
Reading through that block of text, I might want to add that I think in some versions, the archer Houyi's soul ascended into the Sun after his death. So it would be that Houyi isn't even Deader than Dead, but avoided facing Hecatia even after his death.
edited 20th Sep '15 3:29:36 AM by TPPR10
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
The point there about Houyi being super-dead is reading too much into it— Junko definitely killed him, but that's all. Similarly, I'm not sure anything in the last paragraph is meaningful
One Winged Egret
Well, something I've noticed in general about the Chinese interpretations is that they seem to put more stock in original myths and less stock in the ZUN versions he puts in the manuals. Well, I guess the proper way to put it would be that, unless explicitly stated otherwise, they seem to assume everything is exactly like the myths. And even if there's a contradiction they'll try to reconcile it. While over here it's a more casual "well I guess ZUN's screwing around with myths again."
And it's not just because they're more familiar with the myths. As far I know, no one's ever tried to claim that Mystia is a former German nun or whatever. It just seems to be an entirely different attitude towards story interpretation.
That said, the impression I get about Junko is that ZUN intentionally made the story as vague and confusing as possible as a kind of joke. Thinking about it too much seems like it's missing the point, to me.
edited 20th Sep '15 4:08:19 AM by Clarste
Why shouldn't her past be vague? Is it not a thing that she can barely remember it? She's a living grudge.
Heart of Stone
One Winged Egret
Yeah, she purified herself of her past.
So, Junko purified her own backstory so all that remains is "Houyi killed her son and she's mad about it".
Eh, ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
'd.
edited 20th Sep '15 5:09:06 AM by TrueShadow1
Worth noting, the husband was never named, and would probably be called "Gei" if he ever appeared
One Winged Egret
For that matter, Chang'e would be called Jouga.
One Winged Egret
Oh yeah, ZUN was interviewed at TGS today. I only caught part of it though, and it seemed to be just a standard ZUN interview. Random notable bits I remember are that he described the soundtrack of LoLK as "spacey", he comes up with the music before the characters, and he was impressed with some American cosplay of Clownpiece he saw ("Wow, America sure is fast.")
Very possible I misheard these things.
BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS
SHE IS NOW!! 
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(This
is the only one that currently exists, if Google is anything to go by. Come on, we need more! 
)
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(Also: was really shocked to read here that none of you guyz had problems with the Hellish Literally-Dodging-Rain-Passage in Stage 6 O_O O_O That looked to me like one of the worst plus longest stage passages ever. Gamercal needed over 20 minutes for it on Normal... EDIT: Haha ^^, just as I was typing this, on their most recent video, his Touhou Blind Racing partner Kibatu, who had otherwise been behind the entire time, did the section in under four minutes 
) OK then.)
edited 20th Sep '15 8:13:56 AM by FellDeedsAwake
"Mystia is a former German nun“ -Clarste //// "[...]collectively, we have the power to destroy the Aki sandwich" -Clarste
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I don't remember what happened to me in Point Device mode but I got lucky with that part in Legacy. I reached it with no bombs and managed to get through without dying.
Eye'm the cutest!
I think this has posted already but I don't care.
Yubi yubi!
looks like Curiosities of Lotus Asia might be returning.
"Have a good day. Have a good week. Have a good month. Have a good year. Have a good life." ~Civia
Shocking Gun!
Canon Sumireko and Rinnosuke hijinks yes.
Then again, I haven't really seen any Sumireko/Rinnosuke pictures.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Certified Chocoholic
I can only find one.
BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS
Seems to be his Standard Mode lately, judging also from his FS chapters.
This. Cannot. Continue.
Maybe he's found the other two sacred treasures and is ready to make a bid for the imperial throne?
Current earworm: "Awe of the Unknown"
Eye'm the cutest!
ELECTION 2016: Morichika Rinnosuke Vs Toyosatomimi No Miko.
Cast your votes Election Day! The future of Gensoukyou depends on it!
edited 20th Sep '15 6:25:01 PM by MajorTom
"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
I'll... probably have to write-in a vote for Tokiko.
To be fair, Koishi's DS cards were very cool and memorable.
Especially DNA's Flaw and Embryo's Dream.
Embryo's Dream in particular being one of the best examples of Theatrical-type spells.
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