Young Justice

@Gamer Why wouldn't Ned Stark view things that way about Brion?

Also, with regards to Brion forgiving Violet, he did...after having a pissy fit about the involvement of the body she possesses in his family's deaths. Plus he's repeatedly shown throughout the series to be an impulsive hothead with anything related to his family. I find him difficult to predict because he's so emotion driven.

Part of what gets me is that Brion's entire character arc was about learning patience, not being impulsive, and he manages that in ep 24 while pretending to be bated as a distraction. And then all of that got thrown away in 10 seconds. It feels like a turn mid season Brion would have been susceptible to, not end of season.

Regarding Baron Bedlam, considering he committed high treason in the beginning of the season and was apparently so poorly guarded (there weren't any guards when he was with another prisoner) and could lead a coup so easily- him being executed is not a surprise. Heck, it could have lead to an interesting discussion between the difference between a superhero and a head of state. Brion ordering Bedlam's execution in a moment of Realpolitik? Have him learn patience, and learn from the Anti-Light the value of planning and need for shady things, resulting in him being a mastermindish anti-hero? That would be cool.

But instead Brion backtracks on character development to be a puppet of the Light, and absolutely nobody finds his sudden thirst for power odd.

Re: Tara, even if they didn't tell Brion they should have told Gregor. The coup happened in part because Tara provided information that Gregor was out of the country. That makes Artemis not informing directly impact the security of a sovereign nation. And if they knew because of Batmagic beforehand, Artemis could have taken Brion aside and talked to him about how Tara might have been impacted by her time with the Shadows, and how to help her heal from that. Again, his goal in 3a was all about saving Tara, so giving him time to process and figure out how to best do that would have been smart.

Finally watched it.

Thank god for that stinger at the end of the last episode.

In regards to Brion, new dude clearly gave him a push, though how much of a push is hard to say. I'm hoping the other heroes realize it soon enough.

Plus, as I understand Comics Brion is known for making poor choices anyway.

Gotta say I like the direction they went with Tara: we've seen her story told twice already and I feel that now that we've seen who she was, we can now explore who she could be. Plus it made the twist with Brion better. We were all so busy watching Tara that none of us saw him coming.

Black Lightning as the new head of the League is a great direction for him. Between finally getting appearances in other media, him having the team up with Static that the latter's own series never got to do (SOUL POWER!), and of course saying this is for the streets, Jefferson feels like he's kinda ascended as well.

And now we have the legion in play, which may also mean The Great Darkness Saga what with Darkseid still being a factor in things.

So any guesses on what heroes we'll see for Season Four? Maybe we'll finally see Raven and Starfire; perhaps some other teen heroes who haven't appeared yet?

I guess there's Jade, Argent, Red Star, Ravager, Jericho. DC's got a lot of teen heroes.

Maybe someone newer like Teen Latern and Ginny Hex from the latest incarnation of the comic book version of Young Justice.

...oh right. Damien will have to be a thing eventually too.

Raven seems like one of those characters that is hard to introduce without being a focal point of a big arc since the whole issue of her father is always sort of a cosmic doomsday scenario.

Fair enough.

And Kory brings her own issues (her sister and Tamaran) to the equation as well.

Even her appearances in the 2003 series and animated movies have only scratched the surface of that particular well.

Oh. We'll probably have Braniac 5, but what about a different Braniac who was also an Outsider: Indigo!

She's only appeared in season 1 of Arrowverse Supergirl and that was just her villain version.

Considering this series is a little better at working with all aspects of a character's history, I'm hoping they'll show her as something of a hero first.

I'm wondering how they'll handle Brainiac 5 (assuming he's showing up) considering their take on Braini...err, the Collector of Worlds in the tie-in comic is different from usual appearances. For starters, they actually persuade him to leave Earth alone.

Edited by GamerSlyRatchet on Aug 29th 2019 at 1:26:34 AM

Unless it shows up in the show, it doesn't matter.

Outside of the thing with Wynnde, have they flat out ignored or contradicted something in the comics yet?

In most shows and tie-ins, I'd agree, but in this show, all the tie-ins matter. Weisman and some of the staff writers even wrote the majority of them.

Not really. At most, some nitpick about the color of Kaldur's mom's skin (she's more rose-skinned compared to the bronzed look in the comic). If anything, they've doubled down on the references to both the tie-in comics and the game.

I still wish DC would continue letting them do DC Universe-exclusive web comics. It's a good way to explore the time periods between time skips and a cost-efficient way to produce more YJ content until the new season starts. Also, they actually had their own loose ends like the main show did, such as General Eiling's shady plans for Captain Atom, the rise of Gorilla Grodd, and a tale featuring the Marvel Family.

@Handsome Rob The Bad Samaritan was not new. He was in the first three episodes of the season. (Where he encouraged the UN not to send aid, his country to be harsh on refugees, and Gregor to exile Brion and not allow Metas in the country.)

Yeah. I know he's the same dude who pushed Gregor into exiling his bro, though I forgot some of the other stuff.

I just called him New Dude because I forgot his name completely.

Please let them bring in Grant Emerson. Just also please don't mess up his face and make him all angsty.

Baazovi (Bad Samaritan) is particularly insidious since his power is so low-key. His More than Mind Control power doesn't actually change anyone, it just brings up what was already there. Heck, he might not have even needed to use his powers to manipulate people in the first few episodes, though he probably did.

His influence reminds me of the symbiote in Spider-Man, really.

I wish he hadn't mentioned the Martians because now some confused people think he's actually M'comm in disguise. I wouldn't blame them, considering when we did see him, he was pulling a similar scheme.

It is very useful.

As shocked as they all are, nobody suspected anything about what Brion was doing, maybe because they all knew he's a hothead and doesn't always make the best choices in the heat of the moment.

True, he was growing out of that (though Manhunter shut down his big moment before he could capitalize on it), but something like that doesn't go away.

Hell, we even see flashbacks that made it clear he'd felt this way already, but it's doubtful he'd have gone through with it without both the heat of the moment from killing Bedlam driving him and our buddy Bad Samaritan giving him a little push.

It didn't help that Samaritan was using good old fashioned emotional manipulation by getting the crowd of Markovians to cheer on Brion as their new king. That's the validation and acceptance Brion had always wanted from them.

And even without the psychic nudging, the reminder that Gregor is king and he isn't because of sixteen minutes didn't help.

Edited by M84 on Aug 30th 2019 at 12:14:47 AM

And I bet he was not using his power then either.

Hell, we can't even say he used it on Gregor; there was some sound (if somewhat cold) logic to exiling him back then. Things were way too unstable to ignore it, even for royalty.

That's exactly what makes his powers so creepy. It's pretty much impossible for us as the audience to know when or if he was using his powers. We only know he used them in the last episode because he outright said he did.

No he definitely did, he even references doing so. But More than Mind Control is that there's a very blurry line between what was influence by the outside and what wasn't. So Brion still made the choice of his own volition and simply got the "nudge" to act on it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 29th 2019 at 9:19:31 AM

We know he used his powers in the last episode. What's up for debate is whether or not he used them in the previous ones. He almost certainly did...but we can't really know for sure.

One would think he'd be relatively cautious about using his powers just in case a more powerful psychic catches him in the act.

Edited by M84 on Aug 30th 2019 at 12:20:53 AM

I mean that is what the trope entails. The line is forever blurred because the people he uses it do it of their own volition. So for all we know it could have been as light as atap on the shoulder for the "push" needed.

The nature of this also means he likely doesn't attract the attention of others who could read it too. Because if his influence is just small enough they likely won't sense it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 29th 2019 at 9:24:21 AM

My point is that it's entirely possible (though not likely) that he didn't use that power to get results in the first few episodes. We know he did it in the last episode, but only because he admitted it to the Light.

Which is the hard part. His power basically means anyone can fly off the handle without warning that there is something off.

Which is what makes him a threat. He's like Godrey. Their powers help, but they still know how to play the game and push the right buttons regardless.

And if played right, it can still seem totally in character.