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darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Jun 1st 2019 at 7:07:39 PM

I like Chiaki's fall, because as brief a look at her we get, there is a sense of progression in her mindset. From I'm scared and can't find anyone, but I won't admit it, to I come from a place of privilege and people take what they want in this world without morals, so why not me? Then she goes to grab the Yahirono Himorogi, suffers horribly but manages to escape with her life intact. And then because a spirit of rage sympathizes with her, she throws out her humanity, and decides to one up her power from there and make a world where people like her can muscle out anything that'll make her weak and afraid. All under the pretense of anything that's strong is good and beautiful to give her survival purpose.

Anyone's guess how she got between all the minibosses you and your demons had to fight through, but whateves.

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
Jun 1st 2019 at 7:11:20 PM

Theres actually hints that these are simply natural progressions of their viewpoints when the earth was normal. Only in the Vortex World they decide to center the world around said belief.

darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Jun 1st 2019 at 8:04:28 PM

I'm kind of sad we don't get another game set in one of those. It's a great way to clear out the moral ambiguity. In what's supposed to be very choice-driven narratives, having a bunch of friends and allies, and opposing forces feels like I'm less making my own path and doing whatever people are forcing me to do. I like SMT because it takes a step back from the frequent moralizing of Persona where the silent protagonist and choices feel like more of an afterthought.

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
Jun 1st 2019 at 9:49:21 PM

I love how, even when on the Law path, giving Irving and Chen forma to work with still describe them as being inspired by their "burning soul."

Ha! As if they have anything resembling a soul in them at that point.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jun 17th 2019 at 7:32:27 AM

Jun 2nd 2019 at 6:41:22 PM

Finally mapped out the entirety of the Empyrean Ascent and have started taking on Lucifer's generals. Got Belial and Nebiros so far.

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 6:48:07 PM

[up] You've evidently had an easier time than I. What strategies have you used?

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:29:29 PM

[up]Same one you did: Riot Gun + Charge from a demon stuffed so full of Incenses that they'll probably smell of smoke for all eternity.

Also beat Beelzebub and Lucifuge. The prize you get from defeating all four is...somewhat underwhelming, but then again, the true prize is unlocking the four for fusion.

Going to go after the Final Boss soon.

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:36:56 PM

[up]Saved up on Spearhead so my demons can go to town on him once the buffs and debuffs were finished. Same with Belial.

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:43:24 PM

...why didn't I think of that?

Well, I'm never forgetting Riot Gun, Charge, and Concentrate ever again. It's so strange how long into my Megaten career it took for me to start using the latter two regularly. I guess I thought two regular attacks were just as good, but I don't think that's actually the case.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Jun 2nd 2019 at 9:44:01 AM

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:59:58 PM

And now my Law+ run is done! Funny enough, what happened in the ending was what I expected the Law ending to be like when I picked up the original Strange Journey. The brainwashing scene quickly dispelled that notion.

I really, really hope Shekinah shows up in future games, because damn she has great artwork that I would love to see in 3D. Especially if those three faces writhe about.

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 8:27:12 PM

Riot Gun in SJ is so arbitrarily better than everything else that I almost suspect it might be a programming oversight. It is, for whatever reason, twice as powerful as the other two "severe" single-targets, Deadly Wind and Trisagion, and the only other attack that equals it is Antichthon. But wait, there's more! Single-target spells do more damage per target than multi-target ones do, so, in other words, Riot Gun is actually much better than Antichthon against a single opponent such as an especially aggravating boss!

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 6th 2019 at 8:50:40 PM

One thing about the Law+ ending that I found weird is that it mentioned that human development slowed somewhat without competition. The DeSu2 Egalitarian ending says this too. I don't... really get it to be honest. Certainly with everyone working together things would advance faster? Somebody at Atlus must really have a bugaboo with this concept for some reason.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jun 6th 2019 at 10:29:10 PM

Order = Stagnation. Change = Chaos.

Jun 6th 2019 at 10:40:43 PM

Got to say, Zelenin's smile in the Law+ ending is really nice. It definitely looks like she regained her humanity.

Also liked how the route to Shekinah is the Boss Corridor you get whenever you go up to fight YHVH (Demiurge has it too).

Yumil Mad Archivist
Mad Archivist
Jun 6th 2019 at 11:15:36 PM

[up][up][up]the idea is that if no one's dissatisfied with the status quo, you remove people's drive for improving because what they already have is good enough. Improvement for improvement's sake is meaningless.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
asterism Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Jun 7th 2019 at 2:56:16 AM

Peace without end leading to indolence is a Thing in speculative fiction

The Shining Law of the Strong Eating the Weak
VeryMelon SUPER SOMETHING ELSE
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Jun 7th 2019 at 5:33:23 AM

I'm most familiar with the idea in Nasuverse works, but I'm pretty sure I first saw it in Desu 2.

darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Jun 7th 2019 at 9:55:57 AM

Actually speaking of, current builds of Citra can't run Devil Survivor Overclocked. Is the DS original still a solid game?

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
VeryMelon SUPER SOMETHING ELSE
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Jun 7th 2019 at 10:21:02 AM

Of course, you'll just have to put up with the lack of compendium.

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 7th 2019 at 10:32:06 AM

@ asterism: Isn't that kind of a screwed-up message, though? It basically implies that world peace would not be something worth striving for in the long run because of that indolence. It really reads like them scrambling to find some excuse for that world not being a true utopia for ambiguity's sake. Just seems tacked on to me.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
VeryMelon SUPER SOMETHING ELSE
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Jun 7th 2019 at 11:58:22 AM

It's a Fantastic Aesop because we don't know what world peace looks like, so more often than not any claim of world peace being possible is given a large enough downside to make the ideal not worth it. The thing is you really need the sacrifice to be beyond the pale.

Jun 7th 2019 at 12:06:57 PM

It's why an Emobidment of Order was born from people's Sloth in P5.

Stagnation and unchanging status quo to ensure nothing ever rocks the boat.

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 7th 2019 at 12:47:09 PM

[up][up] I... guess, but wouldn't you think everyone living for others and working together would result in progress? New disease cures, ways of fixing the environment...

I actually never knew that so many people were creeped out by "greatest good for the greatest number" kind of thinking until I started debating philosophy in video games. I always thought it was common sense.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
CybranGeneralSturm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 7th 2019 at 12:51:11 PM

[up] It would still hurt people in the short term. For example, weapons manufacturers and dealers would lose their jobs if world peace were to occur overnight, even if it's just a pipe dream.

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Jun 7th 2019 at 12:54:00 PM


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