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unknowing from somewhere..
Mar 16th 2023 at 10:33:44 PM

You know minister of magic have to see his muggle counterpart? now I imagine shacklebolt and hermione having to do that over and over given how confusing thing have being in UK lately

Hermione: what, another one? it was just 45 days ago?....ugh....are we sure someone just curse the damn post?.

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Blueace Blue Mirror from A land in the end of the world Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Blue Mirror
Mar 16th 2023 at 10:34:58 PM

Might as well start to make bets.

RedHunter543 Demon King reborn Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Demon King reborn
Mar 16th 2023 at 10:35:16 PM

The whole UK prime minister speed running into quitting still makes me laugh.

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Mar 16th 2023 at 10:36:11 PM

But really, it's absurd that Rowling wrote that all the Pureblood families are related and didn't really think about how this would affect Ginny and Harry's relationship to the point she had to quietly retcon the family tree so there's less incest.

Why is it absurd? Isn't it a theme that pure-bloodness is a terrible thing? It illustrates the families are dying out and they need new blood from Muggles.

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RedHunter543 Demon King reborn Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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Mar 16th 2023 at 10:37:25 PM

Because then Rowling undermined her message and had Harry and Ginny marry despite the distant relation.

Just to be clear, Iím talking in about Harry and Ginny specifically, everything else is fine like you noted.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 1:38:10 AM

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Mar 16th 2023 at 10:37:44 PM

It should be noted that Salazar Slytherin could only be the ancestor of everyone in the UK in modern times if he had been doing a lot of boning (increasing number of his descendants) and a lot of killing (decreasing number of other peoples' descendants).

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Blueace Blue Mirror from A land in the end of the world Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Blue Mirror
Mar 16th 2023 at 10:38:37 PM

[up][up][up]It would still bring some comments if Harry hooks up with any Pureblood, though.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 16th 2023 at 2:38:50 PM

RedHunter543 Demon King reborn Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Demon King reborn
Mar 16th 2023 at 10:39:59 PM

Could have been avoided if Harry married Luna.[lol]

Far as I know, they arenít distantly related.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 1:40:30 AM

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terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Relationship Status: Mu
Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object
Mar 16th 2023 at 11:19:45 PM

Harry might be fine though. As far as Wizarding genealogy is concerned, he married into the Weasley family, and more or less separate from the clusterfuck that is the Black Family Tree. And it's likely so far up the tree before you start seeing common ancestors between Harry and Ginny.

It's not like they're shacking up so their kids can learn Galeforce or something.

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unknowing from somewhere..
Mar 16th 2023 at 11:22:41 PM

"The whole UK prime minister speed running into quitting still makes me laugh. "

The whole drama of recient years show me that if anything, Rowling was to soft on political criticism and satire of UK really.

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RedHunter543 Demon King reborn Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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Mar 16th 2023 at 11:30:50 PM

[up][up] Iím only half serious with this thread, donít worry.

At least there wonít be any mutations with HarryĎs and Ginnyís kids.

[up] I told my Scottish friend that if thereís one thing Americans and the people in the UK can relate over, itís shitty leaders and governments.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 18th 2023 at 3:24:27 AM

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Pretty Sweet For A "Devil"
Mar 17th 2023 at 7:08:26 AM

The theme isn't "pure bloodedness is bad" its "pure blood supremacy is bad." I mean, the Weasleys are right there, should make that clear enough.

Also, isn't Harry not considered a pureblood, since his mom had Muggle parents?

RedHunter543 Demon King reborn Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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Mar 17th 2023 at 7:09:49 AM

Yeah but the Potter family is distantly related to the other ones since it was a Pureblood family. Whatever relation Charlus Potter has to Harry, he married into the Black Family for example.

Heck it's Rowling lore that the magic genealogists assumed the Potters HAD to have some kind of Muggle blood in them because of the name but the lore states James was the only one to marry a Muggle Born witch.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 10:10:29 PM

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Oh, bother.
Mar 17th 2023 at 7:16:31 AM

[up][up]Yep, Harry is considered half-blood.

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The One with Knowledge of Things
Mar 17th 2023 at 10:56:01 AM

Yeah, it goes basically like this:

  • two pureblood parents = pureblood(Ron, Draco and James for example)

  • one pureblood parent + one muggle parent = halfblood(Harry, Tom Jr. and Snape for example)

  • two muggle parents but shows magic = muggleborn(Hermione, Lily and Justin for example)

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jawal Relationship Status: -not set
Mar 17th 2023 at 10:58:54 AM

And two wizzard parents, but you yourself have no magic = Squib

Edited by jawal on Mar 17th 2023 at 6:59:12 PM

Mar 17th 2023 at 11:03:45 AM

one pureblood parent + one muggle parent = halfblood(Harry, Tom Jr. and Snape for example)

Harry did not have a muggle parent though. He had a muggleborn witch parent. This distinction is what tricks Malfoy into thinking he's pureblood in their first conversation.

It's presumably almost 'not one drop' policy. IIRC from Deathly Hallows you had to prove at least one wizard parent (or grandparent?) Any amount of muggle in your history drops you down to halfblood.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Mar 17th 2023 at 2:44:18 PM

You know, it's kinda screwed up how wizard society has specific, unflattering names for people who can't do magic - and even has different unflattering names depending on if the person's parents could do magic or not.

Vernon's not that far off when he thinks Hagrid's insulting him when he calls him a muggle.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 17th 2023 at 10:45:03 AM

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RedHunter543 Demon King reborn Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Demon King reborn
Mar 17th 2023 at 2:49:49 PM

I think that's the point though.

But Rowling just didn't follow up on it in a meaningful way besides highlighting the problem.

As for Hagrid, I think he even called Filch a slur, "Sneaking Squib". Or was that someone else?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 5:50:23 PM

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unknowing from somewhere..
Mar 17th 2023 at 2:53:02 PM

screwed out? yes but not that weird and if anything is kinda good worldbulding: we often create insult and slur based in thing we appreciate but lack, so imagine not being capable of doing magic in a sociaty that is build on doing magic.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Mar 17th 2023 at 3:14:21 PM

[up][up]

Yeah, that was Hagrid, lovable bigot that he is.

[up]

I think I should have be more clear: It's screwed up that wizard society basically has casual slurs everyone keeps throwing around and nobody actually points that out.

The closest we get is Vernon being insulted when Hagrid calls him a muggle - even if he doesn't know what muggle means, he does seem to get the intent.

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Mar 17th 2023 at 3:15:53 PM

I wish they had more neutral terms thrown around but halfblood seems like the most neutral one?

I guess there's No Maj from the Fantastic Beasts/America, which sounds pretty silly but not as bad as Muggle maybe?

Edited by alekos23 on Mar 17th 2023 at 12:16:58 PM

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Demon King reborn
Mar 17th 2023 at 3:19:57 PM

Not as bad as "Can't spells" or "non-Magiques". [lol]

Bad enough that Rowling made these creatively bankrupt names, but she could have easily used the names from the localizations of HP in other countries. You know, give a nod to all the people who helped make this series a world wide phenomenon?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 6:45:49 PM

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Mar 17th 2023 at 3:56:55 PM

I think I should have be more clear: It's screwed up that wizard society basically has casual slurs everyone keeps throwing around and nobody actually points that out.

Is that a flaw of the writing or one of the reasons the books are actually good. The fact wizard society is so flawed and intricately so is why the books have stood the test of time. There's many-many levels of figuring out how bad it all is.

I think I said that Harry Potter is actually one of the few fantasy book series you can show that shows the graduation from conservatism to Far Right fascism.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 17th 2023 at 3:57:33 AM

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RavenWilder Raven Wilder
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Mar 17th 2023 at 4:03:25 PM

I mean, if you're going to have a substantial population of wizards, then there needs to be some term to refer to people who aren't wizards - and there's nothing inherently wrong with the word "muggle", it doesn't have any other connotations or anything like that. It just happens to be a funny sounding word, but then, so is "Quidditch", and "Hufflepuff", and "Dumbledore".

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