Might as well start to make bets.
The whole UK prime minister speed running into quitting still makes me laugh.
Why is it absurd? Isn't it a theme that pure-bloodness is a terrible thing? It illustrates the families are dying out and they need new blood from Muggles.
Because then Rowling undermined her message and had Harry and Ginny marry despite the distant relation.
Just to be clear, Iím talking in about Harry and Ginny specifically, everything else is fine like you noted.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 1:38:10 AM
It should be noted that Salazar Slytherin could only be the ancestor of everyone in the UK in modern times if he had been doing a lot of boning (increasing number of his descendants) and a lot of killing (decreasing number of other peoples' descendants).
It would still bring some comments if Harry hooks up with any Pureblood, though.
Edited by Blueace on Mar 16th 2023 at 2:38:50 PM
Could have been avoided if Harry married Luna.
Far as I know, they arenít distantly related.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 1:40:30 AM
Harry might be fine though. As far as Wizarding genealogy is concerned, he married into the Weasley family, and more or less separate from the clusterfuck that is the Black Family Tree. And it's likely so far up the tree before you start seeing common ancestors between Harry and Ginny.
It's not like they're shacking up so their kids can learn Galeforce or something.
"The whole UK prime minister speed running into quitting still makes me laugh. "
The whole drama of recient years show me that if anything, Rowling was to soft on political criticism and satire of UK really.
Iím only half serious with this thread, donít worry.
At least there wonít be any mutations with HarryĎs and Ginnyís kids.
I told my Scottish friend that if thereís one thing Americans and the people in the UK can relate over, itís shitty leaders and governments.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 18th 2023 at 3:24:27 AM
The theme isn't "pure bloodedness is bad" its "pure blood supremacy is bad." I mean, the Weasleys are right there, should make that clear enough.
Also, isn't Harry not considered a pureblood, since his mom had Muggle parents?
Yeah but the Potter family is distantly related to the other ones since it was a Pureblood family. Whatever relation Charlus Potter has to Harry, he married into the Black Family for example.
Heck it's Rowling lore that the magic genealogists assumed the Potters HAD to have some kind of Muggle blood in them because of the name but the lore states James was the only one to marry a Muggle Born witch.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 10:10:29 PM
Yep, Harry is considered half-blood.
Yeah, it goes basically like this:
- two pureblood parents = pureblood(Ron, Draco and James for example)
- one pureblood parent + one muggle parent = halfblood(Harry, Tom Jr. and Snape for example)
- two muggle parents but shows magic = muggleborn(Hermione, Lily and Justin for example)
And two wizzard parents, but you yourself have no magic = Squib
Edited by jawal on Mar 17th 2023 at 6:59:12 PM
Harry did not have a muggle parent though. He had a muggleborn witch parent. This distinction is what tricks Malfoy into thinking he's pureblood in their first conversation.
It's presumably almost 'not one drop' policy. IIRC from Deathly Hallows you had to prove at least one wizard parent (or grandparent?) Any amount of muggle in your history drops you down to halfblood.
You know, it's kinda screwed up how wizard society has specific, unflattering names for people who can't do magic - and even has different unflattering names depending on if the person's parents could do magic or not.
Vernon's not that far off when he thinks Hagrid's insulting him when he calls him a muggle.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 17th 2023 at 10:45:03 AM
I think that's the point though.
But Rowling just didn't follow up on it in a meaningful way besides highlighting the problem.
As for Hagrid, I think he even called Filch a slur, "Sneaking Squib". Or was that someone else?
Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 5:50:23 PM
screwed out? yes but not that weird and if anything is kinda good worldbulding: we often create insult and slur based in thing we appreciate but lack, so imagine not being capable of doing magic in a sociaty that is build on doing magic.
Yeah, that was Hagrid, lovable bigot that he is.
I think I should have be more clear: It's screwed up that wizard society basically has casual slurs everyone keeps throwing around and nobody actually points that out.
The closest we get is Vernon being insulted when Hagrid calls him a muggle - even if he doesn't know what muggle means, he does seem to get the intent.
I wish they had more neutral terms thrown around but halfblood seems like the most neutral one?
I guess there's No Maj from the Fantastic Beasts/America, which sounds pretty silly but not as bad as Muggle maybe?
Edited by alekos23 on Mar 17th 2023 at 12:16:58 PM
Not as bad as "Can't spells" or "non-Magiques".
Bad enough that Rowling made these creatively bankrupt names, but she could have easily used the names from the localizations of HP in other countries. You know, give a nod to all the people who helped make this series a world wide phenomenon?
Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 17th 2023 at 6:45:49 PM
Is that a flaw of the writing or one of the reasons the books are actually good. The fact wizard society is so flawed and intricately so is why the books have stood the test of time. There's many-many levels of figuring out how bad it all is.
I think I said that Harry Potter is actually one of the few fantasy book series you can show that shows the graduation from conservatism to Far Right fascism.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 17th 2023 at 3:57:33 AM
I mean, if you're going to have a substantial population of wizards, then there needs to be some term to refer to people who aren't wizards - and there's nothing inherently wrong with the word "muggle", it doesn't have any other connotations or anything like that. It just happens to be a funny sounding word, but then, so is "Quidditch", and "Hufflepuff", and "Dumbledore".
You know minister of magic have to see his muggle counterpart? now I imagine shacklebolt and hermione having to do that over and over given how confusing thing have being in UK lately
Hermione: what, another one? it was just 45 days ago?....ugh....are we sure someone just curse the damn post?.