Harry Potter

I think a problem between muggle vs wizzard is aproach battle as sort of pithed battle, when in true wizard would be the closet to terorrist fighting: disrupting, terror acting, murder and spionage everywhere.

THAT is were wizard proof very superior to muggles.

Partly because there's no known physics to exploit in their magic. Quite honestly, within a decade or so I bet there would be muggle methods to detect magic one way or another. If it influences the universe, it can be detected.

Both worlds are also notoriously corrupt. Muggles are ignorant of the mechanics of magical inheritance and how to become a wizard. Wizards could probably create a muggle death cult by promising them power if they do things on their behalf. I wonder if there's anything muggles can offer wizards though...

Power? Money? Sex? I dunno. Is there anything that Muggles Do It Better?

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on Jul 30th 2018 at 7:59:46 AM

Transportation.

Internet and easy long distance communication are things that muggles do a lot better then wizards for the most part. A wizard needs to send a physical letter or stick their head in a fireplace.

One more horcrux question: what are the limits to what you can make a horcrux out of? I suppose something which can destroy horcruxes like the basilisk would be out of the question, but other than that I'm wondering what the size limits would be.

I don't think there is a limit. It's just, Voldemort was so proud, he wouldn't let just anything be a Horcrux; only things he deemed worthy, like objects belonging to the Four Founders, the last relics of his family line (and Salazar Slytherin's by extension), and the proof of his being the Heir of Slytherin were it.

And then by the time he went after Harry, his soul was so unstable it just fractured and attached itself to (for the ones who have read it) The Potters' cat, which still hasn't been found yet. And then Nagini was made for some unknown other reason.

I don't think JKR ever detailed what couldn't be a Horcrux, only that Voldemort deliberately avoided mundane objects out of pure narcissism. Presumably anything could be one. Voldemort, if he thought bigger, could have infused the Earth with his soul, a la Morgoth, so that he could never die until the world ended.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jul 31st 2018 at 9:43:57 AM

I don’t think that would have worked. The earth is made up of millions of individual objects, after all, and we don’t know if he could cast a spell on something that big - I’m kind of under the impression that you need to perceive whatever you’re enchanting.

Given the fuzziness of Rowling's magic rules, I think the real restriction is that if an impartial observer would call bullshit you don't get to do it. So horcruxing a planet is right the fuck out.

Wait, the Potter's cat was a Horcrux? I'm not spoilering that because I'm 100 percent that is not canon anywhere. I sure hope not, anyway. That's kinda stupid.

What.

Where the fuck does that info come from?

I don't know, see Rytex' post above.

100% it's bullshit lol

If I recall correctly, Rowling actually confirmed that a straight-up conflict would end with the muggles winning - because a gun still beats a wand.

Hide is what they did. From the clues we got about how long the magic world's been hiding, even an arquebus beats a wand

Yeah, just a joke. Lily's letter to Sirius mentioned a family cat, so the Potter fandom likes to joke that Voldemort lives on in cat form because the cat also got Horcruxed when he killed Lily and James but no one ever suspected it.

The sheer cockroach-like endurance of that apocryphal "gun beats wand" thing could inspire a cyberpunk plot about memetics.

Yeah, there's no actual evidence that Rowling ever said that. Mind, that doesn't mean it's wrong, and it certainly fits the evidence (especially the part where the wizarding world went into hiding instead of trying to fight), but she still never actually said it.

Better that the The Magocracy, I think.

So Harry Potter's wizard society is basically the opposite of The Bartimaeus Trilogy?

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 1st 2018 at 10:55:45 AM

I was thinking the exact same thing. Muggles are definitely happier in the Harry Potter universe than in the Bartimaeus one, and the only reason magic is more powerful in Bart's world is because the magic itself is alive, and can think for itself.

I kind of wish there was an Antimagical Faction in Harry Potter, in response to all the muggle bashing and how a number of muggles would be pissed off at the masquerade

Actually, is there a reason for the masquerade in the first place or does that solely exist for the reason these secret societies usually do-because if it was public, it wouldn't make sense for the setting to be Like Reality, Unless Noted

Apparently witch hunting did kill wizards. Just not as many as they believed and some who got caught for fun.

There is no antimagical faction because the Muggles don't know about the existence of magic or wizards. It's that simple, really.

And that's the whole reason there IS a masquerade to begin with: because they are afraid there WOULD be a huge antimagical faction if Muggles found out about them.

America has a faction like that. Everyone assumes they're crazy and ignores them, but if knowledge of magic ever became public they'd likely soon become a serious threat.

Not to mention, as Hagrid told Harry in the first book, if it were known that people who could warp reality with a wave of their empowered wooden stick were everywhere among us (relatively speaking, considering the relatively low number of witches and wizards in the world as a whole), muggles would want magical solutions to their problems.

Even the ones who want people assassinated. They'd find a wizard who'd AK the poor mark, and it would leave no evidence of who did it that the wizard couldn't just undo and get away without being traced. I think there's a good argument that Jack the Ripper was a witch/wizard in the HP universe as a result.