Dr. Doom VS Batman

Any crossover between those? I don't think Batman stands a chance...

Depends on who's writing.

Suppose it's

A)Alan Moore

B)The Dark Knight Returns-era Frank Miller

c)Mark Millar

Still depends on the type of story he's telling.

Also depends on what one qualifies as a "victory".

Batman would ultimately stop Doom's plans, but Doom would escape with some sort of valuable item, knowledge, or experience. So, Batman would come away with the overt victory, but Doom would gain a moral victory.

edited 4th Nov '10 6:43:11 PM by KingZeal

I'd say it'd be a bit of a mixed bag really; Batman'd go through hell thwarting whatever Doom's up to, but Doom being Doom would come out of it with something gained even if his main scheme failed.

I think the issue is vague enough that any definitive answers would simply devolve into fan wank. Instead, I propose suggesting who we'd like to see write such a story.

Squirrel Girl would win.

edited 4th Nov '10 10:55:16 PM by Scisless

"It is very simple," Doctor Doom said, his voice low and deep, echoing slightly. "Reed Richards has thwarted my plans at every move. I have accepted that his genius is, in fact, near to mine own. However, he still has a weakness: his mind, incredibly though it is, works logically. It cannot work if faced with something illogical, some plan that is insane enough to break his own sensabilities."

"You know," the Joker said, "you sound an awful lot like James Earl Jones. Whelp, if you can handle old Batsy, then count me in!" He cracked his knuckles and then he shouted over his shoulder, "Harley! Pack your bags! We're going to the Big Apple!"

I think the issue is vague enough that any definitive answers would simply devolve into fan wank. Instead, I propose suggesting who we'd like to see write such a story.

No less Fan Wank. There are tons of capable writers, including the lesser known. Such a story has an equal chance of being good or at least decent if written by Mark Millar, Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, Peter David, Alan Moore, Garth Ennis, Jeph Loeb, Greg Pak, Grant Morrison, Brian Michael Bendis or Kurt Busiek.

Just to name a few.

edited 5th Nov '10 2:21:00 AM by KingZeal

Not Grant Morrison. ANYONE BUT HIM. I mean, seriously, Mind Screw. Gainax Ending. Ridiculous pacing. NONONONONONO.

edited 5th Nov '10 2:25:53 AM by RawPower

Batman would win but in doing so would further the plans of Doom.

So Batman falls to a Xanatos Gambit?

Could this become as interesting as L versus Light?

Doctor Strange: *facepalm; grumbles* Every goddamn time... *aloud* Victor, if you're going to pull this shit every time we go somewhere nice I'm afraid we're going to have to see other people. *to Batman* I'm terribly sorry about all this.

First thing that came to mind, swear to Isis.

King Zeal : All this list and no mention of Ed Brubaker? Really? I'm outraged I say, outraged!

And not Mark Millar. Please. he did some good things, but his latest work is rapidly devolving into 1990's throwback, full of asshole characters you can relate to because they're so asshole,ridiculous amount of senseless violence and use of tasteless langages and themes for no other reason then being shocking.

Back on topic, I think that Batman vs Doom would be an interesting idea, especially if Wayne Tech comes into play. Imagine what Doom could do if he laid his hands on , say, the Batmobile. Or worse, the OMAC. shudder.

And not Mark Millar. Please. he did some good things, but his latest work is rapidly devolving into 1990's throwback, full of asshole characters you can relate to because they're so asshole, ridiculous amount of senseless violence and use of tasteless langages and themes for no other reason then being shocking.

You have just described Kick Ass in one paragraph.

Not surprising, as I was thinking about specifically about that. Wanted is close, but the sheer amount of Expy, Actor Allusion and Geeky jokes makes it more palatable. But since then? I heard the same kind of criticism about Nemesis, and the only thing I've seen from Kick-Ass 2 is a pretty mean joke agaisnt Rihanna's Domestic Abuse. Dude, Not Funny!.

Kick-Ass is one rare case where I loved the movie but didn't like the book.

edited 5th Nov '10 11:47:05 AM by collex

Yeah, Kick-Ass was really gratuitously depressing. And very, veeeery creepy. It's like Oyasumi Punpun, except less interesting and realistic, AND insulting to the readers.

Not Grant Morrison. ANYONE BUT HIM. I mean, seriously, Mind Screw. Gainax Ending. Ridiculous pacing. NONONONONONO.

You'd rather have Jeph Freakin' Loeb than the man who wrote Doom Patrol and Animal Man?

...Okay, yeah. Zeal was right. This will lead to wankage.

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^^

Honestly, yes, because I would want this comic to be about Batman fighting Dr. Doom, not some comment about the nature of reality and our perception of it. Grant Morrison tends to put a little to much effort into the subtext for taste. It is nice to have some greater topics being present in the story, but I primarily buy them because I want to read about the story and the characters.

In the other hand, Jeph Loeb.... *shudder*

I think Batman would win, regardless which writer would write it. Even in todays comics, the heroes tend to beat the villains in the end, even if the price is higher than it used to be. Doom in the comics isn't threaded as nearly as the unbeatable Badass he is by the fanbase -that includes me- and most of his schemes tend to be foiled by the heroes, even if he comes out relatively unharmed and remains ruler of Latveria.

All in all, I think it would be a great story, if it would focus on the battle between the minds of these two, highly intelligent people and not so much on gadget vs. gadget. A lot of writer tend to forget that Batman is primary a detective and not a ninja.

I agree Grant Morrison is probably not the best for a straight-up superhero fight, but damned if Loeb does anything well these days. Also don't forget Morrison has done great straight super stories, like his JLA stuff.

Mignola is actually someone I'd like to see try his hand at it, or Matt Fraction.

I just realized something about Alliterator's story:

Working with the Joker already assures Doom's downfall. The Joker is a complete wild card that not even Lex Luthor (Doom's closest equivalent in the DC Universe) can contain for long.

I can see it now: Doom manages to completely outclass Batman throughout the entire story, with Batman growing more and more desperate at the complexity of Doom's plans (Batman specializes in his own gambits, not the Xanatos variety. Finally, Doom has Batman right where he wants him and offhandedly remarks "defeating this buffoon was mere child's play to Doom"!

Cut to the Joker glancing at Doom over his shoulder. He doesn't like that. Not one bit.

Then again, if Doctor Doom reads his comicsdoes his research, Doom will know what to (un)expect from the Joker, and Doom will make his plans in such a way as to include the known unknown that is The Joker.

Again, that probably wouldn't be learned until the very last page of the story, well after the resolution. Doom's plans (seemingly) go down in flames, the Joker's back in jail, and Reed and Batman shake on a job well done.

Then you cut to Doom sitting in his throne in Latveria, explaining how he predicted the Joker's actions well in advance, and that this was but one of many eventualities he'd considered. Then, the last panel reveals whatever spoils Doom has won. His Xanatos Gambit is complete, and the story fades out with a Sequel Hook.