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#5176: Aug 30th 2018 at 1:32:59 PM

Thats because he alwsys tries to have it both ways, and frequently succeeds.

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#5177: Aug 30th 2018 at 4:47:20 PM

Also because he's a comic example of Blue-and-Orange Morality

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#5178: Aug 30th 2018 at 6:58:24 PM

He wants all the credit and none of the punishment. That's my take.

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#5179: Aug 30th 2018 at 10:24:09 PM

Robot rebellion and the subsequent re-rebellion.

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#5182: Sep 4th 2018 at 7:32:31 AM

Given how often Sam claims to be a thief for the betterment of society, I kinda have to wonder just how sincere he is with that. Unless he's just nervous that his would-be thief led with that comment.

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#5184: Sep 5th 2018 at 8:11:47 AM

I think it's more supposed to be an analog too having too much coffee.

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#5187: Sep 10th 2018 at 5:44:31 AM

He's not wrong, at least not at this point. But if this is going where I think, his summation doesn't necessarily follow.

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#5188: Sep 10th 2018 at 7:43:57 AM

On the other hand, this summation does explain something I've been wondering - just how did sqids even get to the level of civilization that they had without means of production? I mean, a society that obsessed with theft isn't producing anything.

However, it's clear today that Sam's society merely defined certain types of production as theft, which thereby answers my previous question. I think this is less about how correct the philosophy is and more about explaining how Sam's species even got to the point they're at.

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#5189: Sep 10th 2018 at 8:01:39 AM

{nods} I'm kind of thinking that Sam really is an aberration compared to most Sqids. They have a tradition of "theft", but it's more of a formalized system of asset distribution than anything else.

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#5190: Sep 10th 2018 at 8:25:06 AM

There are human societies that developed without a concept of personal property — every resource was effectively communal. Sqid society may be something like this, albeit not exactly: to have a concept of thievery, one must first have a concept of ownership.

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#5191: Sep 10th 2018 at 8:56:45 AM

[up][up] Well, sort of. Sam always speaks of his species as a whole as being thieves and scavengers. Word of God is that he was something of a Han Solo figure on his homeworld—the dashing scoundrel who stole from the rich and did not give to the poor. The reason he fled was because he stole too much from his own king. So he is an anomaly, but not that big an anomaly.

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#5193: Sep 12th 2018 at 8:23:24 AM

I really want to disagree... but yet...

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#5194: Sep 12th 2018 at 8:26:16 AM

In a sustainable society, the "stealing" has to go full circle, so that those who are stolen from eventually recieve full value, and then some, for what was taken. Im certain that Sam would agree, 100%.

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#5195: Sep 12th 2018 at 8:45:35 AM

Sam would probably put it as "this motivates them to steal back and more".

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#5196: Sep 12th 2018 at 10:25:56 AM

For some definition of stealing.

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#5197: Sep 12th 2018 at 6:20:12 PM

[up][up][up][insert jab at one's disfavored political/economic system here]?

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#5198: Sep 12th 2018 at 6:55:36 PM

He did say sustainable. Even in the worst kinds of government, the lower classes have to get something back at some point or they all starve to death and the system collapses in like a week. Feudalism, for example, was a horrifically unbalanced system, but the nobles paid the soldiers to keep the peasants safe, the soldiers bought things from the peasants, and then the peasants grew food and whatnot that the nobles collected and distributed as they saw fit.

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#5199: Sep 13th 2018 at 10:52:04 AM

And the alternative was worse. Id lay heavy odds that whatever system of systemic stealing Sam comes up with will be far more humanitarian than most of the economic systems humans have developed.

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#5200: Sep 14th 2018 at 4:26:09 AM

This is dangerous ground, contrasting morality and lawfulness with the robots. Much like Florence's fears of paperclip-optimizers when it comes to robots and humans, I could see bad things happening if the robots start doing things for what they consider to be the humans' own good.


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