Devil May Cry

^^Bayonetta does have a bad plot. but the reason it's especially bad is because of the stupid cheesy japanese crap. I don't know any other way to put it. Stuff the japanese developers thought was cool when it most certainly wasn't.

^ (Snorts) BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Man, you don't realise that Devil May Cry Is made by The Same people who make Bayonetta, right? So if You Hate bayonetta for Having Japanese Crap, than you also hate Devil May Cry for having Japanese crap.

But Devil May Cry is a love letter to western action movies...

^^^ No shit it was bad.

But it was funny and self aware. It knew it was B-movie schlock and ran with it. I'm not arguing that the plot is good. But worse than DMC's(especially the first one)? Please.

edited 13th May '10 5:21:55 PM by Jotun of Boredom

^^I never said I didn't.

Well I don't, because there is a definite threshold for stupid japanese crap where it becomes good. DMC 3 is in that threshold, God Hand is there, Bayonetta is not. It's over-the-top but not over-the-top enough. I'm pretty sure I already posted this. Bayonetta is dumb but not really funny, and I get the feeling that the devs thought what they were making was actually cool. DMC 3 is so cheesy and stupid I don't think anyone is remotely capable of taking it seriously.

Very subjective, but it's my biggest gripe with Bayonetta. DMC has a stupid plot as well, but to be honest, I really don't care about either.

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Well, I don't think it's funny or self aware, or at least if it is they didn't show it well enough. The fetish overdose and gratuitous crotch shots gold old after the first few levels.

edited 13th May '10 5:24:57 PM by Mammalsauce

I don't get it, how was Bayonetta not over the top enough?

Name the most over the top thing in DMC and Bayonetta can top it.

edited 13th May '10 5:26:43 PM by Jotun of Boredom

The first thing that comes to mind is riding up the wall of the tower then using the bike as nunchucks to kill angels midair. I don't think there is anything of such caliber in Bayonetta.

Come to think of it, the reason I like DMC 3's style better is probably because of the main character. Dante is such a juvenile, totally un-cool cheeseball it's funny, whereas Bayonetta is an insufferable and unappealing bitch. That doesn't change my mind about the rest of the game though, it's like they were trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Headbutting a sky scrapper while making yet another Fly Me To The Moon reference?

All this happening while falling down what has to be the world's tallest building?

"Welcome to MY fantasy zone!"?

I got really sick of fly me to the moon after the first few stages. I don't recall the exact situation you're talking about since it never stuck with me.

The stages referencing older sega games weren't as fun as the real game and dragged on for too long imo.

^^^

A witch fighting WITH HER HAIR AND FOUR GUNS, two being attached to her heels and no real question of how she even pulls those triggers?

Said witch fighting a baby-faced dragon while it's using a broken clock tower as a neck brace?

Said witch pulling off pretty much the same damn stunt Dante did with the billiard balls, except with FUCKING BOULDERS?

Might I remind anyone here that has played the game, the boss fight concludes with punching God's spirit out of its body and into the Sun from Pluto, then wrecking the hell out of its empty statue-vessel as it's falling to earth, and somehow surviving that.

That doesn't top fighting angels with a bike as nunchuks? Jeanne did that same thing without actually getting off her bike for it.

You have such a flawed definition of over-the-top it's not even funny. And oh yeah, your opinion sucks too.

edited 13th May '10 5:41:20 PM by ^_^

"I got really sick of fly me to the moon after the first few stages. I don't recall the exact situation you're talking about since it never stuck with me."

Not the song itself; she just yells half the song title as a battlecry while headbutting a skyscraper back at her dad, no big deal.

^ No need to be mean.

edited 13th May '10 5:41:09 PM by Jotun of Boredom

I don't think I was being mean. At least I said the opinion sucked and not the person.

The gameplay itself is irrelevent to this situation. Bayonetta blows DMC out of the water in that department.

Also, whatever games and ideals you like I hold with the same disdain I do the stains on the public men's room floors.

I do get the point Mammalsauce is trying to make, over the top just for the sake of over the top gets tiring easily, and once you've gotten past a certain point, it stops being "awesome" and starts being "stupid" (or "retarded", if you're into being a patronizing douchebag). Now, I haven't played Bayonetta, but everything in this post makes me assume it crosses this line.

But his argument was that it wasn't over the top enough.

His argument was that somehow Bayonetta's over-the-topness can't top a 1-minute cutscene with Dante beating angels with a bike. Jeanne did that.

My argument is that whether it's too over the top or not over the top enough, it's not funny and self-deprecating enough for whatever level of SUPER COOL AWESOME it has. It's not within my threshold for enjoying that sort of thing. It's caught between so-bad-it's-good and so-bad-it's-not-quite-horrible-but-still-not-very-good.

If you're looking for that kind of game, you're going the wrong way. No More Heroes is in the opposite direction. -points-

What part of Bayonetta being hideously proportioned and embodying weird fetishes, gratuitous T&A (but more A than T) shots, skippable cutscenes, torture attacks for the hell of it, and playing up the sex appeal to the point of parody wasn't self-deprecating humor?

Point out how Devil May Cry beats that, because I don't think I get how you got that out of the games. I just had to put up with What Do You Mean, It's Not Awesome? for the third installment, the horribly done version.

edited 13th May '10 6:21:25 PM by ^_^

Look, until there is an objective scientific measure of cheese vs. awesome then this discussion will go nowhere. DMC 3 had me laughing and groaning and Bayonetta got maybe a smirk or roll of the eyes at best. It's so bad it's good vs. apathy, basically, completely subjective and no matter how hard you disagree it won't change my opinion.

And No More Heroes, glad you mentioned it, I think it beats pretty much any other game in existence in terms of so bad it's good.

Man, this is an epic derail.

And by epic, he means lame.

Yeah, pretty much.

And by lame what do you mean?

Well, to be precise, a "NO, MY GAME IS MORE AWESOMEZORX THAN YOURS, U STUPID" dickfight with better grammar and spelling.

So, anyway, about that Devil May Cry game...

Yeah, about that...

favorite crack pairing? -shot-