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Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
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#1576: Dec 6th 2018 at 7:10:08 AM

If Martin even does it to begin with. He might just skip it and go straight to Ancient Egypt, based on how he ended Episode 82.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#1577: Dec 6th 2018 at 7:21:56 AM

What Yami Marik lacks in dueling skill he more than makes up for in shadow magic and being the most sadistic and depraved bastard in the entire Yu Gi Oh franchise. Even the dub couldn't disguise what a creepy son of a bitch he is. Him being the most hands on of the villains helps to.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1578: Dec 6th 2018 at 8:00:14 AM

I dunno, Death-T Kaiba threatened to kill a baby. (A REALLY ANNOYING baby, but still.)

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1579: Dec 16th 2018 at 9:22:49 PM

Speaking of the Seal of Orichalcos, I love that this writeup on the real-life Seal of Orichalcos emphasizes how broken it would be if it was exactly as seen on TV and how Yugi only tried to destroy it once. Even the official YGO blog noticed common questions!

https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=4270

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1580: Dec 17th 2018 at 12:54:21 AM

The part about position mechanics being shit is hilarious in hindsight now that links are a thing.

Also love how he pokes the fact that every single time a field spell is central to a villain's plan nobody ever tries the ruling of popping their field by setting yours. They changed that ruling but coincidentally since then nobody in the anime bas been playing broken field spells.

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#1581: Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:05:47 PM

Rare footage of ancient Egyptians learning about Trap Cards.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1582: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:01:30 PM

[up][up]In fact, field card are rarely play in the anime at all, they usually set as sort of rare card.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1583: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:06:30 PM

not really ? Like, I'm fairly sure Leo played morphtronic field in 5d's, luka has at least two different field spells in her deck, Aporia played one if not two, sherry played one, I'm fairly sure crowler played geartown in GX, Kaito used photon field in zexal, Jaden had skyscrapper... and that's just off the top of my head without naming the obvious ones such as earthbound immortals (which aren't stated to be special, iirc) , the seal of orichalcos, or the castle of stronborg (because obviously those two are rare). The only anime where nobody ever plays a field spell is DM... Wait no, Mako played Umi...

Just about anyone seem to be capable to get their hands on a field spell, it's just that nobody ever thinks of actually using one when the ruling that stated you can pop the opposing field spell by setting yours was still in place and could help. To be completely fair it's a bit anticlimactic to solve a duel that way, but since revolver is apparently palying mirror force and imperial order in vrains, it doesn't seem that reaching.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 3rd 2019 at 12:11:40 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1584: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:12:22 PM

[up]Those example crossover on other Yu gi Oh shows with in fact just reforce my idea.

And is hard to said how much thar rule apply here in series since it move by diferent rules.

Also for what I see the seal cant be nulified once is play by the field.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1585: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:19:12 PM

Oh, you meant specifically in DM. My bad, buuuuuut Mako still played umi.

Bakura played the whole darkness sanctuary thing but I gueeeeeess you can count that as rare.

The seal can completely be destroyed by that ruling, because dartz does exaclty that during his duel against yugi and kaiba. it just so happen that he replaces the original seal with a stronger version of the seal, but it still means he destroys the original seal to place the new. Also, the legendary knight of atlantis proves you can break the seal if you actually banish it instead of destroying it.

Besides, the whole replacing field spell effect isn't really a destruction. It's basically Kaiju'ing the other field spell - there's no actual effect in yu-gi-oh that can prevent the destroy and replace process to happen because it's a cost, not a resolution. Except literally preventing your opponent from activating or setting field spells at all, but I'm not sure such a card exist.

The rules in yugioh in the anime starting from battle city are actually the same as the real life card game of the time. Arc-V actually calls direct attention to this by mentionning the real-life rule change that say you can no longer draw on the first turn.

Barring the 4000 LP thing, the summoning in face up defense position (which ended up being discarded starting in ZEXAL) and weirdness of fusion not attacking the first turn (which was forgotten VERY quickly), The card game follow the same rules unless the writers forget to properly apply some of the most obscure rulings - but those are exceptions, not the rule. The rest is just a matter of card effects not being the same between the anime and real life game - The actual rules try to be consistent.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 3rd 2019 at 12:31:14 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1586: Jan 3rd 2019 at 3:55:54 PM

[up]Also I think 5 grand play a field chararter to use five head dragon.

and the fusion monster rule was because they were used a sort of special sumoing so I think it was to stop direct atacks or something, or how reborn monster cant atack at the same turn.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1587: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:03:15 PM

reborn monsters can perfectly attack the turn they are summoned. see the tag duel of kaiba vs lumis and umbra, from the top of my head, where kaiba ressurect blue eyes and slams it into them the same turn for one of the earliest battle city examples.

I recently read the manga and remember the original episodes fairly well and it's fairly evident that starting with battle city the anime tries it's hardest to stick with the rules of the official game, because it significantly changes a lot of duels from the manga that are comparatively much more stremalined but also do a lot more nonsensical crap. Which is also why the fusion attack rule is quickly dropped - the anime-exclusive fusion generally don't apply it, only the fusions that were in the manga and where the rule is brought up does.

Also fun fact but while looking at the subs I also found out a fair number of supposedly nonsensical plays in the game actually makes a lot more sense in the original - Negate attack is a quick-play in the anime, which means it's actually legit to use it from your hand on your own turn to negate your own attack like not-kaiba did in duelist kingdom, flame swordsman is actually a normal monster and not a fusion so it makes sense to just straight up summoning it instead of fusing it, time wizard was basically a spell card, not a monster, and so on. Same for another fusion joey used a few times. It's actually the dub who's fucking it up by changing the cards to match with their real-life counterparts where those plays makes no sense.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:05:11 PM

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Saiga (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1588: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:27:08 PM

In the manga, any special summoned monster couldn't attach the turn it was summoned unless it had 'Quick Attack' - the Winged Dragon of Ra has this.

The anime changed it just to fusions, which created some issues like Mai being in a position to attack Marik with her special summoned Harpies and win but choosing not to.

The game would be much healthier if special summoned monsters couldn't attack, too bad that was never kept.

And I think field popping did come up in GX on some occasions when Jaden went up against other field-spell users.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1589: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:35:07 PM

Honestly ? at this current point of the game we are, where your opponent can gumblar you and destroy your entire hand before you get a turn, and where he alternative is to setup a board that can negate everything you can throw at it, or, y'know, just FTK you, special summoned monsters not being allowed to attack the turn they're summoned doesn't feel like it would make any difference. Might have made one in the past, but not anymore.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:35:59 PM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1590: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:40:12 PM

Summoning sickness is an interesting idea, but it would be as effective at "improving" the game as Master Rule 4 was.

Edited by VeryMelon on Jan 3rd 2019 at 7:42:27 AM

Saiga (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1591: Jan 3rd 2019 at 4:49:12 PM

[up][up] Oh the game is in a terrible state now, but if that rule had been in place from the start we may not have moved into this faster-and-faster environment that we are in now.

Or maybe Konami would have just always gone there

But Links were created to address special summoning (and force people to use the new mechanic, ofc) and maybe it wouldn't have gotten to the stage where it needed to be addressed if it was less powerful from the start.

Edited by Saiga on Jan 3rd 2019 at 10:51:18 PM

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1592: Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:01:17 PM

I'm not sure links were really created to rein in special summon. We all assume they did because that's what it felt like at the time, but we don't have any official statement than this was the intent. i've seen people make believable arguments that they wanted to clean up the field after the pendulums were overcomplicating it and create space for different card design because synchros and xyz were becoming too restrictive.

In any case, if links were designed to truly slow down special summoning, they dropped the ball almost immediately when they made link vrains pack 1 and printed basically every single problematic card at the same time : Isolde, Needlefiber, summon sorceress, electrumite, all those play extenders that are all ridiculously generic...

Like, I can forgive stupitidy like Ptolemaeus giving rank 4 acces to cyber dragon infitnity because ptolemaeus was made at a time where infinity didn't existed and cyber dragon stopped to Nova, and it seemed like a balanced ability at the time. And then when they made infnity, they realized too late that the obvious card design thing was to make it a rank 6 you'd summon off of nova, but that every rank 4 deck had acces to nova. It's not smart, but it happens. It would have been infinitely dumber to print ptolemaeus if infinity existed at the same time.

Link vrains pack 1 is basically them doing just that. So if they intended to slow down special summoning, that's one of their biggest fuckups ever.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 3rd 2019 at 2:02:14 PM

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Saiga (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1593: Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:13:11 PM

Well, they outright do restrict extra deck summoning, so there's no way that wasn't intentional.

It's just that they immediately break it again to sell the new cards.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#1594: Jan 4th 2019 at 3:45:06 AM

Oh i'm not denying it was intentional on their part to restrict summoning.

But is the summoning restriction a genuine attempt to slow down the game,or is this just another way to push the shiny new mechanic because pendulums ended up underperforming ?

Edited by Yumil on Jan 4th 2019 at 12:47:44 PM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1595: Mar 17th 2019 at 10:08:37 PM

Some new info on YGOTAS season 5, that being Little Kuriboh wants to fix Bakura's ending.

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qwigly Since: Mar, 2016
#1596: Mar 17th 2019 at 10:42:54 PM

Now when he says Bakura, does he mean Bakura, or the Spirit of the Ring?

And please don't make the "actually, they're both called Bakura" joke.

Edited by qwigly on Mar 17th 2019 at 10:43:56 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#1597: Mar 17th 2019 at 10:55:15 PM

My guess is Yami Bakura/Thief King Bakura. It's a particular sore spot among his fans that Aknadin, who committed genocide, got to live happily in the afterlife while he didn't, especially since Diabound started out as a holy beast—the manga emphasizes this more but I believe it's in the anime too.

The whole RPG aspect makes theories pretty fruitful about what happened in the actual past, though originally it was supposed to the actual past before becoming an RPG.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Mar 17th 2019 at 10:57:04 AM

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Saiga (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1598: Mar 17th 2019 at 11:50:41 PM

Yeah but one's a king while the other is a dirty peasant

The system works

Edited by Saiga on Mar 18th 2019 at 4:50:52 AM

Rytex That guy with the face from The Shadow Realm (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Married to the music
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#1599: Mar 20th 2019 at 7:14:14 AM

But there's three Bakuras, as Florence joked about all the way back in Season 2. So are we talking about Thief King Bakura, RPG Bakura (Florence), or Ryou Bakura?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1600: Mar 20th 2019 at 7:43:34 AM

I have to admit to be curious how little kuriboh is going to handle the memory arc since there is....what, three, four duels at all?.

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