Pokémon General Thread

Ice being effective against water would solve so many issues imo. It would help ice out a lot and debuff how OP water is.

I don't think so. The problem is mostly that Water can often learn (Ice) moves that beat its weaknesses (Grass and Ground). I think if one were to change the Water type's matchups, which I don't currently think is necessary, it would make sense to give it a new, logical weakness. Probably Poison. That, or decrease Water Pokemon's access to Ice type moves.

Plus, Freeze-Dry already exists.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Sep 25th 2021 at 1:22:39 PM

It does but how many Pokemon get it, and even more important how many can make use of it? Freeze Dry would probably been better off as an ability.

Most of them use it as coverage. Kyurem shot up from RLBL to OU with it.

Wait, is ghost considered a high-tier type now?

Ghost doesn't get Pursuit trapped anymore.

IIRC Spectrier is Uber despite having bad coverage.

Freeze-Dry and Aurora Veil definitely need to see common spread among Ice types. More Ice types should get them than not.

I'd definitely consider Ghost to be one of the unbalanced types. There's little differentiation between it as Dark offensively, and it's only got two weaknesses and an immunity.

Two immunities. And two resistances. And an immunity to all forms of trapping, including trapping and binding moves. And one of the two types it's weak to is itself. And they can block moves like Rapid Spin simply by existing.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Sep 25th 2021 at 11:51:15 AM

Ghost is weird. It's one of only two types weak to itself, but it and Normal are the only types to be mutually immune to one another.

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Sep 26th 2021 at 2:52:19 AM

The living and the dead cannot interact.

Which doesn't stop the other types.

I'm already second guessing my changes to ghost:

• Having it be weak to Fairy would be yet another thing it would have in common with Dark, so maybe I shouldn't do that.
  • Since I'd nerf Fairy in other places, I wouldn't mind still giving it a resistance to Ghost.
• Ghost should logically resist Steel. And that would serve to nerf Steel a bit, which was part of my intent... But that's an offensive nerd, which isn't super relevant. And that would also buff Ghost defensively, and Ghost doesn't need a buff.

Typings are hard.

On a separate fleeting thought, imagine if Fairy and Dark were mutually strong against each other.

Now that is something I'd approve of.

Dark and Fairy being super effective against each other.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 26th 2021 at 12:17:14 PM

I think Poison should keep it Psychic weakness or at least trade the Psychic weakness for something else. Maybe fire.

I vote keep the Psychic weakness, personally - Psychic doesn’t actually have THAT many type advantages, if I recall.

Diverging a bit, while I do think removing Steel’s resistance to Ghost makes sense, I would have kept its resistance to Dark.

Honestly, all this talk is why I'm not as opposed to adding a 19th type as some people are.

they'll add 2 more types so there's 20 types as 20 is a nice,round number

Yeah, Psychic only super effective against Fighting and Poison. It was OP when there isn't any type that resist Psychic mean that Psychic could always hit with Neutral damage.

My post last page went into detail in a note about how Psychic was overly nerfed.

I like the idea of Dark and Fairy being mutually strong, but again, I don't want to overly nerf Fairy.

I don't see any reason Steel would resist Dark.

I just don't think there's an absolute need to add a new type. Things are fixable without it.

I think my earlier post on this page has almost made me talk myself into Poison being strong against Water.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Sep 26th 2021 at 1:33:32 PM

Actually, Poison being super-effective against Water might be interesting…

Nerf fire types

I'd make Poison supereffective against Fighting, but I don't want to put my favorite mon Breloom in a bad spot by giving it two 4x weaknesses.

Fairy being weak to Dark would only make Wicked Blow and Knock Off even more spammable.

And I don't need to buff Dark. Still, its problem is that it is super effective against the same types that Ghost is.

There should be something more that sets apart Ghost and Dark offensively. You'd think this would be easier, since Dark has multiple definitions - evil, underhanded, nighttime, absence of light - but it's hard to actually apply. One could make an argument that "Electric or Fire should resist Dark", if you lean into the "absence of light" definition, but more Dark Pokemon and moves are actually based on the "underhanded" definition.

Okay, here's where my mind is currently at. In addition to the changes I'd listed at the bottom of the last page, further thought has now made me consider adding the following:

• Poison is strong against Water
• Steel is resisted by Ghost
• I want to reassess the Fairy/Ghost relationship, but I don't want it to be a repeat of the Fairy/Dark relationship.

Ghost is kept in check by its strongest moves being weak. But yeah, ever since Steel stopped resisting it, it became one of the best offensive types in the game (and that makes Normal better).

FUCK Pursuit-trapping, and good riddance in any case. You may say things about Stealth Rock, but switching out when in an unfavourable matchup is a core feature of the series, and Pursuit made 2 types unable to do so: If a Dark type with Pursuit switched in a Ghost of Psychic type, it won, because the logical, smart move gets punished with Pursuit.

Pursuit was a toxic move and is one of the gimmicks I wasn't sad to see gone (also: Hidden Power as it was in its cumbersome way; give proper coverage to 'mons, and make HP able to change type, rather than binding it to I Vs. And Return and Frustration over Body Slam never felt proper to me.)