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Honestly that can said for a lot of pokemon in general. I consider generation 2 the worst example considering so many pokemon in that gen can be pretty meh, even when fully evolved.
CHADhan Player.
Most Gen 2 mons were scrapped Gen 1 mons, and even then Gen 2 mons were overshadowed by Gen 1.
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No they weren't.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
Here are the Hitmon's current stat spreads:
Hitmonchan: 50/105/79/35/110/76 Total: 455
Hitmonlee: 50/120/53/35/110/87 Total: 455
Hitmontop: 50/95/95/35/110/70 Total: 455
And here's my idea for what they should be:
Hitmonchan: 70/80/120/35/100/80 Total: 485
Hitmonlee: 70/120/80/35/100/80 Total: 485
Hitmontop: 70/100/100/35/100/80 Total: 485
It amuses me how Hitmonchan, ostensibly the defensive one based on evolution methods, is still slightly more lopsided toward Attack than Defense.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 2nd 2019 at 4:20:15 AM
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Touch The Sky
Their HP is only 50? That's kinda lame.
Hitmonchan's defense being 79 is hardly impressive. And he's kinda slow too? He's like the Master of None among them.
Edited by Vertigo_High on Sep 2nd 2019 at 1:29:15 AM
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The huge Special Defense was also a weird addition made in Gen 2 (same thing happened to Beedrill). In Gen 1, when both Special stats were the same, the two Hitmons only had a Special stat of 35.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 2nd 2019 at 1:31:34 AM
Touch The Sky
That's an improvement lol. I remember cloyster was the opposite somewhat, his special went from a respectable 85 to a miserable 45 special defense, making "magic" his archilles heel more or less. He still has that godly defense at least.
Edited by Vertigo_High on Sep 2nd 2019 at 1:54:04 AM
Psychic got nerfed hard by that: Stuff weak to it now had decent Sp Def rather than pitiful special, and could hope to take a hit.
Then we have Hypno, who suddenly became as bad an special attacker as it was physically.
So, Hypno went from dealing around 80% damage with Psychic to Machamp, to dealing around 50% damage.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
All of the winners and losers of the Special stat split (not going to bother mentioning if the other Special stat went unchanged):
- Charizard and Blastoise won quite a bit. Charizard's Special Attack stat of 85 went up to 109. Blastoise's Special Defense of 85 went to 105.
- Beedrill's Special Defense stat went way up, from 45 to 80.
- The Rattata line benefitted. Rattata's Special Defense went from 25 to 35. Raticate's Special Defense went from 50 to 70.
- The Ekans line got a slight buff. Ekans' Special Defense of 40 went up to 54. Arbok's Special Defense stat of 65 turned into 79.
- Nidoqueen and Nidoking both got slight buffs. Nidoqueen's Special Defense went from 75 to 85 while Nidoking's Special Attack went from 75 to 85.
- The Clefairy line got a tiny buff. Clefairy's Special Defense went from 60 to 65 while Clefable's Special Defense went from 85 to 90.
- The Jigglypuff line won a bit. Jigglypuff's Special Attack went from 25 to 45 while Wigglytuff's Special Attack went from 50 to 75.
- Venonat won, although Venomoth actually lost. Venonat's Special Defense went from 40 to 55.
- The Psyduck line won. Psyduck's Special Attack went from 50 to 65, and Golduck's Special Attack went from 80 to 95.
- The Mankey line won a bit. Mankey's Special Defense went from 35 to 45 and Primape's Special Defense went from 60 to 70.
- The Growlithe line won significantly. Growlithe's Special Attack went from 50 to 70, while Arcanine's Special Attack went from 80 to 100.
- Poliwrath won by a bit. Its Special Defense went from 70 to 90.
- Machoke and Machamp won. Machoke's Special Defense went from 50 to 60 and Machamp's Special Defense went from 65 to 85.
- Golem won by a little bit. Its Special Defense went from 55 to 65.
- Slowbro won. Its Special Attack went up from 80 to 100.
- Farfetch'd barely won. Its Special Defense went from 58 to 62.
- The Grimer line won. Grimer's Special Defense went from 40 to 50 and Muk's Special Defense went way up from 65 to 100.
- Onix won a bit. Its Special Defense went from 30 to 45.
- The Cubone line won. Cubone's Special Defense went from 40 to 50 and Marowak's Special Defense went from 50 up to 80.
- As stated above, the Hitmon's Special Defense stat went WAY up, from 35 to 110.
- Lickitung won by a bit. Its Special Defense went up from 60 to 75.
- Kangaskhan won a lot. Its Special Defense went from 40 to 80.
- Mr. Mime won. Its Special Defense rose from 100 to 120.
- Scyther won. Its Special Defense went from 55 to 80.
- Jynx won. Its Special Attack went from 95 to 115
- Electabuzz and Magmar won. Electabuzz's Special Attack went up from 85 to 95 while Magmar's Special Attack went up from 85 to 100.
- Pinsir won. Its Special Defense went from 55 to 70.
- Porygon won. Its Special Attack went from 70 to 85.
- Kabuto won by a tad, though Kabutops lost by a tiny bit. Kabuto's Special Attack went from 45 to 55.
- Aerodactyl won by a little. Its Special Defense went from 60 to 75.
- Finally, Snorlax won by a lot. Its Special Defense went from 65 to 110.
- Bizarrely enough, Pikachu and Raichu actually lost out a bit in the Special split. Pikachu's Special Defense went from 50 down to 40, and Raichu's Special Defense went down from 90 to 80.
- The Sandshrew line's loss was insignificant, Sandshrew's Special Attack went from 30 to 20 and Sandslash's Special Attack of 55 went down to 45.
- The Vulpix line lost quite a bit. Vulpix's Special Attack went from 65 down to 50, and Ninetales' Special Attack went from 100 to 81.
- The Zubat line lost a little bit. Zubat's Special Attack went from 40 to 30 while Golbat's Special Attack went from 75 to 65.
- The Oddish line lost. Oddish's Special Defense went from 75 to 65, Gloom's Special Defense went from 85 to 75, and Vileploom's Special Defense went from 100 to 90.
- The Paras line lost a bit. Paras' Special Attack went from 55 to 45, and Parasect's Special Attack went from 80 to 60.
- Venomoth lost, despite Venonat winning. Venomoth's Special Defense went from 90 to 75.
- The Diglett line lost a bit. Diglett's Special Attack went from 45 to 35 while Dugtrio's Special Attack went from 70 to 50.
- The Abra line lost HARD. Abra's Special Defense went from 105 to 55. Kadabra's Special Defense went from 120 to 70. Alakazam's Special Defense went from 135 to 85.
- The Bellsprout line also lost hard. Bellsprout's Special Defense went from 70 to 30, Weepinbell's Special Defense went from 85 to 45, and Victreebell's Special Defense went from 100 to 60.
- Despite still being pretty good now, the Tentacool line actually lost a lot of power here. Tentacool's Special Attack went from 100 to 50 and Tentacruel's Special Attack went from 120 to 80.
- The Magnemite line also lost pretty hard. Magnemite's Special Defense went from 95 to 55 and Magneton's Special Defense went from 120 to 70.
- The Seel line lost a bit. Seel's Special Attack fell from 70 to 45 and Dewgong's Special Attack fell from 95 to 70.
- As mentioned above, the Shellder line lost big in the Special split. Shellder's Special Defense went from 45 down to 25 and Cloyster's Special Defense of 85 went down to 45.
- The Gastly line also lost big. Gastly's Special Defense went from 100 to 35, Haunter's Special Defense went from 115 to 55, and Gengar's Special Defense went from 130 to 75.
- The Drowzee line also lost a lot of power. Drowzee's Special Attack went from 90 to 43, and Hypno's Special Attack went from 115 to 73.
- The Exeggcute line lost hard. Exeggcute's Special Defense went from 60 to 45 and Exeggutor's Special Defense went way down, from 125 to 65.
- The Koffing line lost. Koffing's Special Defense went from 60 to 45 and Weezing's Special Defense went from 85 to 70.
- Chansey lost hard. Its Special Attack went from 105 to 35.
- Tangela lost a lot. Its Special Defense dropped from 100 to 40.
- The Horsea line lost hard. Horsea's Special Defense dropped from 70 down to 25, and Seadra's Special Defense went from 95 to 45.
- The Goldeen line lost. Goldeen's Special Attack went from 50 to 35 and Seaking's Special Attack went from 80 to 65.
- The Staryu line lost. Staryu's Special Defense went from 70 to 55 and Starmie's Special Defense went from 100 to 85.
- Tauros lost. Its Special Attack went from 70 to 40.
- The Magicarp line lost hard. Magicarp's Special Attack went from 20 to 15 and Gyarados' Special Attack fell from 100 way down to 60.
- Lapras lost. Its Special Attack went from 95 to 85.
- The whole Eevee line lost in some way. Eevee's Special Attack went from 65 to 45, Vaporeon's Special Defense went from 110 to 95, Jolteon's Special Defense went from 110 to 95, and Flareon's Special Attack went from 110 to 95.
- The Omanyte line lost bad. Omanyte's Special Defense went from 90 to 55 and Omastar's Special Defense went from 115 to 70.
- Despite Kabuto winning by a tad, Kabutops lost by a tiny bit. Kabutops' Special Attack went from 70 to 65.
- All of the Elemental Birds lost, but in different ways and by different amounts. Articuno's Special Attack went from 125 to 95. Zapdos' Special Defense went from 125 to 90. Moltres' Special Defense went from 125 to 85. Yes, originally the birds had slightly different BSTs.
- Mewtwo was the final big loser of the Special stat split. Its Special Defense fell from 154 to 90.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 2nd 2019 at 4:17:21 AM
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I'd argue that Slowbro lost because the Special Split nerfed Amnesia.
Where there's life, there's hope.
And in fairness to any semblance of game balance, having double strength Calm Mind floating around seems like a bad idea. Slowbro's real loss was being a Psychic type post-Gen 1, compounded with awful speed and lack of priority leaving it wide open to being Pursuit-trapped. The fact it still had some use after that is something of a minor miracle.
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That too, with just enough beef to survive neutral hits.
Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 2nd 2019 at 9:44:01 AM
The Unknown
Regenerator too strong.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
By the way, he's a list of all of the Pokemon in the above two lists who got their Special stats changed again later on, or a sort of "where are they now" in regards to those Pokemon's Special stats.
- Pikachu's Special Defense of 40 was reverted back to what it was in Gen 1: 50.
- Clefable's original Special Attack of 85 was boosted to 95.
- Wigglytuff's new Special Attack of 75 has risen to 85.
- Vileploom's original Special Attack of 100 went up to 110.
- Victreebel's new Special Defense of 60 was boosted to 70.
- Finally, Exeggutor's new Special Defense of 65 was boosted to 75.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:07:47 AM
Touch The Sky
Wtf chansey was outright stupid in gen 1 lol.
Edited by Vertigo_High on Sep 2nd 2019 at 6:57:31 AM
I used Chansey in gen 1 recently. Really damn good with its bulk and coverage. No wonder it's so rare in the Safari Zone.
Edited by VeryMelon on Sep 2nd 2019 at 7:36:30 AM
A lot of things were outright stupid in gen 1
CHADhan Player.
Gen 1 might be the most successful example of an Obvious Beta I've seen. Because holy hell is that game a mess of balance.
Wonder has to wonder how such a game would be received if it was released nowadays.
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It'd be no different to a game released by companies I am not gonna name, to be honest.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Schezo Wegey confirmed for King
Yeah.... yeah.... I can see exactly what you mean.
Ever Evolving, Ever Adapting
It WAS the 90s. Im not even sure they knew they would be hosting championships a decade or so later.
drunk bunny
to be fair, the fact that they fit Pokemon Red and Blue onto carts that small is an outright technological miracle
like, the fact that the games are as buggy as they are is evidence that they are using literally every resource available to them to fit 151 Pokemon and an entire game on less than one megabyte.
sure, gen 1 had issues. but they're issues that come with the territory of doing something that unprecedented and needing to use every spare byte possible.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
The fact that one programmer cleaned gen 2''s spaghetti code enough to fit Kanto onto the cart tells me is less a technological marvel and more dumb luck.
...Even ignoring the coding, gen 1 had some pretty dubious design choices. Like, did you know that counter originally only worked on normal and fighting moves?
I feel like the Hitmons should have a higher BST than 455.