I for one would welcome new megas and new Z-moves.
(And now cue Hashil ranting about how they are stupid and a marketing ploy 
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Edited by Eriorguez on Oct 21st 2018 at 9:00:43 PM
CHADhan Player.
I mean Megas and Z-moves offer some form of variability at least; Megas give you a mon with an instant 100 BST buff while Z-Moves give you a one-turn nuke.
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Rayquaznium Z. You know it will happen.
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Easy reason why z moves arent included: the item system wiuld break them.
Since you arent allowed hold items in lets go, having every crystal would let any mon, including megas, to nuke at any point without consequences. More importantly, every single move you have on every mon on your team could be a z move. Thats 24 possible moves at any point during a match.
Also easier reason is we dont habe a z bracelet lol. No trials, no z moves.
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speaking of which, GF's probably going to make Z-moves endgame only for Gen 8 eh?
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I still think that, outside of ORAS, where the individual Rayquaza shown canonically ATE a goddamn Mega Stone, Rayquaza should require a Mega Stone or equivalent (let's go with a meteorite named Jade Orb) AND Dragon Ascent to mega evolve.
They'll all be in Gen 8, probably. They almost never flat out drop mechanics.
I don't think we're going to get any more Z-Moves since I don't think they were all that popular or marketable, but Megas were both, so unless the Gen 8 gimmick does a good job of replacing them both I could see more Megas coming.
CHADhan Player.
You can't really say Megas were more popular or marketable when we haven't gotten any since the generation they debuted in and we're still technically in Generation 7.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ultra Necrozma is a mega by a different name.
Ash-Greninja and Perfect Zygarde, despite originating in Gen VI, also are megas by a different name.
Oh, and Let's Go is giving them some visibility despite lacking held items.
By the way, you can sell Mega Lucario merch, but you can't really sell Light That Burns The Sky merch.
Edited by Eriorguez on Oct 21st 2018 at 9:24:44 PM
They took a break from them to try something different, but keep teasing at them coming back in both the anime and Let's Go, and fandom reaction to Megas was a lot more positive than it was to Z-Moves.
I don't have any merchandise sales metrics to go by, but one's inherently more marketable than the other by design, too. How many ways can they keep reselling one of those power ranger rings and the matching plastic crystals?
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@Electivire: It is the prime example of an physical electric type without exclusive moves. Things are bad when your Brave Bird and Earthquake clones are so exclusive.
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CHADhan Player.
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The same way you can keep reselling figures of Mega Charizard X? I'm not seeing much of a comparison in those cases.
But has a point that Ultra Necro is technically a mega in all but name. But ash-Greninja and Zygarde debuted in their respective generations, albeit mainly in the Anime and would have definitely been in a Z version.
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Electric has one of the worst standard physical attacks out there. A move that's only ok in power and causes recoil damage is just laughably bad.
Like, it's hardly any better than fucking Submission.
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Electivire is the example of a forced Physical-Special pairing fucking things up. Or lowered speed fucking things up (that is Ohmori's shtick by the way).
Magmar was a mixed attacker with higher Special attack, but was the slower one. Electabuzz was faster, but had slighty lower Special attack (on par with Magmar's attack), and its physical attack was quite lower. Both had the same defenses: passable specially, atrocious physically, and meh HP. But then they evolved...
Electabuzz was a Pokemon with the same stat total as Alakazam. It got its best stat lowered by 10 points, its best attacking stat untouched, and its worst attacking stat increased by 40 points. It got 10 point buffs to its HP and defense (but its bulk still sucked), and ended up having the same stat total as Gyarados instead.
Magmar got its worst attacking stat untouched, its best attacking stat increased by 25 points, its HP and defense got the same boosts as Electabuzz, but then, it got 10 points of its speed moved to special defense, just because. And for some reason keeps Flame Body rather than getting a new ability.
Houndoom is a very similar Pokemon to Electabuzz and specially Magmar. Take a look at its Mega, which, due to having 100 points to work with rather than 50/45, patches its defenses while increasing both offenses AND speed. FFS, take a look!
Edited by Eriorguez on Oct 21st 2018 at 9:46:41 PM
You can keep making new Megas, though. And every Mega has that many more things you can do with it, from plush toys to figurines and more. Once Charizard's old you can just make Mega Zeraora, or whatever's popular at the time. Z-Moves have a pretty limited shelf life conceptually because other than painting the bracelets different colors there's not a whole lot you can do to expand the concept, and I think that's why they came up with regional variants alongside it.
CHADhan Player.
Well you got the whole poses thing too to go with it, but I see the point.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
I still don't like Mega Evolution as a gimmick nor a gameplay mechanic. I much preferred Z Moves, since every Pokemon could use them and they were useful without drastically overcentralizing everything around themselves.
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Not a fan of either, personally. I like Z-Moves in concept but I think the execution was a little weak, and Megas just feel... weird. It goes against a lot of what makes Pokemon different from its contemporaries and feels very gimmicky and shonen-y.
I'm just acknowledging that, if I was an executive trying to maximize profits, I've got more to work with with Megas than Z-Moves.
I feel like Z-moves are a better in-game mechanic and feel more like what Pokemon should feel like.
Whereas Megas are stupidly overpowered in-game and feel very unlike Pokemon, but also are a more sound financial decision to produce and market than Z-moves are.
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What isn't overpowered in-game, may I ask?
Sunkern?
Sunkern had potential max stats in the Pokeathlon in HGSS.
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It's not busted the way megas are just because someone decided to max one out and buff it with items beforehand.
Mega Lucario doesn't need to do anything cheesy to solo X and Y. An underleveled one can solo the whole game easily. And it's just given to you for free. There's a marked increase in power proportionate to what the rest of the game throws at you that's out of whack with any other game in the series.
Edited by Hashil on Oct 21st 2018 at 5:00:13 AM
The interviews they give are mostly in the here and now and aren't indicative of any future plans more often than not. Masuda is also pretty much exclusively a corporate mouthpiece at this point.
They'll probably come up with something suitably stupid. Ohmori's directing so it'll hopefully be fairly low impact like Z-Moves were.