During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
If Graves ''isn't' trying to use it on a global scale, then honestly I'm inclined to vote no. My bias against Scott Pilgrim aside, he's a bit too 'implication-y' with the women for my comfort.
Likewise...Zola is striking me as a bit too reliant on some fridge horror and a bit too light on details for me to feel entirely too comfortable with him going up.
Edited by Lightysnake on Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:35:13 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Switching to abstain on Gideon.
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Same reason as Irene. Maybe I'll check for myself but he seems a bit short on onscreen evil and character for an incarnation of Zola.
I... might agree, honestly. Like I said, my vote depends on how in-your-face the intention is... if it can be interpreted elsewise, I'm a nay.
Edited by Scraggle on Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:35:59 AM
Gentle Laborer
@Scraggle Pretty serious. We see that Gideon has gained control over their Subspace and they are incapable of doing anything since they are frozen. His fifth girlfriend was frozen in 2003, meaning most of those girls were frozen against their will for who knows how many years. But i'm totally okay with how the votes go, i'm just really weirded out by this Mandela Effect.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:40:53 PM
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Then maintaining my yes...that alone sounds nasty enough.
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Well, yeah, nasty between the lines, but is Gideon literally throwing out implications he's sexually abusing them, or are those totally unstated?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Like I said the film reals show more than enough. And he nerates each and sounds extremely excited with each horrific act. He also has a great deal if screen time and character towrd the middle and end. He tries to put up with front of politeness, but as Steve keeps getting closer to stopping him he becomes more and more unhinged.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 23rd 2019 at 9:44:02 AM
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Zola I might be more okay with, but for Gideon, I feel there's just too much left to implication.
Gentle Laborer
Aside from a creepy and sadistic "I love them". The rest is left for interpretation.
I'm just happy that i decided to check my own book. At least we still have a conclusion on him.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:47:54 PM
Yeah... unfortunately, I have to say no to Graves, then.
To say I'm enormously happy you've let us know there was an error in the EP is an understatement (this is probably the most obvious sign of progress among many from your first few effortposts I've seen from you). Thank you for letting us know there was information that still needed to be considered.
Edited by Scraggle on Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:48:48 AM
Btw, Cr0w, legitimate thank you for being up front about this. I'm sorry to have to downvote it, but the honesty and double checking is very cool of you.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
I wasn't even thiking about the sexual abuse thing. I just Thogut Freezing several girls in place for years was bad enough.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:52:18 AM
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The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Suppose I'll switch to an abstain.
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Gentle Laborer
Awww, my friends. I learned a lot with my past mistakes, and i still appreciate all of your advices to me.
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to Gideon. Abstain on Zola for now, he seems a bit lacking but I'll give it some more thought.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Well like I said before I'm not sure if Zola counts or not. Thanks for the feedback. If anyone has a suggestions for me please pm me. Because I really want to improve at this.
Edit: Also I gonna have to take a small break from this thread as my trip starts tomorrow. I'll see what happens with Zola when I get back.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 23rd 2019 at 10:19:02 AM
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Switch to .
Lord of Hell
Switching to abstain on Gideon.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
So...is freezing girls in place for years not unique to him or? Cause I'm really not seeing why sexual abuse is needed.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:21:09 AM
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Gideon can't be a CM. He pulled a Heel–Face Turn in the Weridmaggedon finale.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
@Username. Pffft.
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@ Lighty: Oh, yeah definitely, MCU Zola isn't anywhere near heinous enough. I must say I did not mean to suggest anything else.
I think the Game!Zola EP is missing out crucial details, like how every Hydra soldier you meet is hopped up on his rage inducing BS, but I might have to take matters into my own hands... when I'm not lazy.
I... maintain my position on Gideon. I mean, a thousand mental assaults or a billion? Unless someone else tries that, he's still bad enough, right? Like, how much of a pattern is there? How many victims is he stated to have thus far?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Go ahead. I'm still not that good at this, but I am trying to get better.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 23rd 2019 at 10:32:00 AM
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Zola.
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