This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Yes. Still wanna make clear that the "Edit Warring" wasn't intentional.
Best way to avoid that is to check edit history for edit reasons and proactively reach out to the other troper. Are we good? There's a forum thread that should be of good assistance if you have any questions for troping upcoming works.
Edited because I misread edit history.
Edited by nombretomado on Nov 17th 2019 at 12:58:09 PM
Yeah, we're good. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
OK, you're all set. Thanks for coming in.
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Yes, I can agree to this and can keep those opinions out of my wiki edits.
Everything has been released except for Reviews.
I see. I wasn't trying to start an Edit War. I was simply trying to state my own opinion on some things without discrediting anyone else's. I'm sorry. Is there any place where I can discuss things if I disagree with something? This whole started because there's another fellow troper who's been a bit too defensive of a character (in my opinion) and I may have provoked them. I wasn't trying to hurt their feelings.
~astrs, yes, there are a few places. It is the third edit in a pattern that makes it an Edit War (add-delete-add or delete-add-delete). So, if you add an example, and notice it's been deleted, you should try this:
- Check the edit history. You can see if the troper who removed your example left an edit reason, which may help you understand (or even agree) with the removal. Particularly as you are a new troper, you may find out the trope you are trying to use is actually a misuse, or isn't allowed on the page. See What Goes Where on the Wiki.
- PM the other troper and open a dialogue. Ask why they removed it (if it's not clear), make your case for why you believe it is an example, etc.
- If you and the other troper can't reach an agreement (either neither of you are budging, or they are nonresponsive), then you should take it somewhere more public - the discussion of the page in question, Ask the Tropers, or even the "Is this an example?" thread in the forums. State the knowns of the dispute: your perspective, the other troper's perspective, and the example in question.
- Indicate to the other troper that you are taking the dispute there - PM's are the most direct, but you can always put it in the edit reason with a null edit (a null edit is when you save to the page, but don't actually change anything).
- Once the matter is discussed and a consensus is reached one way or another, that's the end of the matter. So, if the consensus is in your favor, you can add the example back and include in the edit reason where it was discussed. If the consensus is that the example does not fit, then you don't make any more edits about it on the page. It's all done.
Do you have any other questions on how to handle disputes moving forward?
Thank you! Can I be allowed to edit again? Please?
Oh, to be perfectly honest I had forgotten completely about the previous incident. Not that is an excuse or justification for my lack of judgment now, though. In hindsight, I should've contacted the other troper via PM but I mistakenly assumed that given their overall attitude and blatant personal bias shown on their edits, it wouldn't make a difference.
That said, despite all my years as a troper, there's still a lot about the wiki I'm not very knowledgable of (I tend to stick on the forums and pages of whatever media I like), so I was unaware of the possibility of using "Ask the Tropers" and "Is this an Example?" threads to ask for a third opinion on cases like the one it prompted this edit war.
I'm deeply ashamed about my actions, but since what is done is done, the only thing I can do now is to apologize and solemnly promise this situation won't happen ever again, and if/when a situation like this arises again, I'll check with the troper in question first or ask other tropers if we can't reach an agreement.
~astrs, if you still want to debate the validity of the entry you were edit-warring, first thing you gotta do is PM the other troper who removed it, and work it out. Are we all clear?
Ok, ~Tzitzimine, please be careful in moving forward, and use the resources I've provided. Reach out to the other troper and figure it out, if you still want to make a case for your edits. (The guidelines I gave above to astrs should also be applicable to your case.) If you are suspended a third time for an edit war, it's unlikely the suspension will be released. Thank you for coming in. ![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
Will I ever be allowed to edit again? I've no interest in edit warring. I promise it won't happen again.
I just asked you to confirm we were clear. All I am looking for is confirmation, and your suspension will be released.
We're clear.
Released. Thanks for coming in
Edited by nombretomado on Nov 20th 2019 at 6:11:13 AM
Shitposter-General
Hi. Why was I banned from fourm games and yack fest? If it's for scriptposting, it won't happen again. If it's for being controversial, your in luck. I resolved today to stay out of politics and flame warring cause I'm aware it's rather toxic.
Edited by LordQuetzal88 on Nov 20th 2019 at 11:59:17 AM
Merry Chriztmaz ya filthy animals!
Son of Vladimir, still waiting for Godot.
Ok, here it goes.
I haven't posted anything related to my suspension since May (mostly because of RL stuff that's kept me occupied). Not to say I haven't visited but other than that zero interaction, since any further saying would require time and effort. No P Ms, no posts, nothing.
However, now there's time to do this.
So here's what happened for any mod out there:
- Suspension was around early May. Only for editing; P Ms and Forums are a-okay.
- I sent two posts to Septimus Heap, mod who replied to me, on this forum.
- At the time close to graduate and involved in projects of my own, so after a proposed solution (which in retrospect wasn't one at all as I later found out) and getting no response from SP I stopped.
There are more details but this is a good starting point. So is there any way to lift my suspension?
Okay. What specifically was I suspended for? ROCEJ violations? I think it had stuff to do with Jewwario. The Farwell Famikamen Rider examples were cut without any edit reason, and you are not allowed to cut heartwarming examples as they are based on opinion, especially if you do so without an edit reason. That's why I restored them. At the least, there should have been a reason for why they were cut initially, or a disclaimer. The Channel Awesome examples were just me trying to list the good things he had done as well, since you shouldn't have all your good deeds be forgotten about just because of the bad things. You should be remembered for both. I personally don't see myself in the wrong here, though I care more about my edit abilities than adding back examples or my desire to remind people of the good things someone had done, so I can assure you that I won't be doing anything related to him again, at least on this wiki. I know that repeat behavior would get me banned, and I can't have that, so I begrudgingly give up on anything to do with him. I still expect a lecture. I'm just lucky that this suspension was years after my first and they have nothing to do with eachother, otherwise it would be a "strike 2". From now on, I plan to constantly ask the tropers before adding anything. Sorry if I offended anyone. I genuinely did not think I was doing anything wrong with re adding the Famikamen Rider examples. Also, what's this stuff about how Heartwarming can't apply to real life even ignoring what he did? There is a real life heartwarming page. Was that supposed to be cut like the real life tearjerker page?
Anyway, again, sorry. I thought listing the good things he had done as well was okay. I didn't want to offend anyone 
Looking back, I can see how it would be kinda disturbing. Still, I will work to make up for it. I have done a lot of work on here through the years and have helped out a lot, especially in the Complete Monster discussions, so I think it would be beneficial to keep me around. I will improve.
Edited by bobg on Nov 20th 2019 at 4:34:44 AM
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~LordQuetzal88, you are apparently only participating in Forum Games and Yack Fest to troll people. While these may be some of the less strict areas of the forums, they are still subject to our rules.
- Don't be a dick.
- We wish to maintain an atmosphere of mutual respect. We request that you behave civilly. Failure to do so may result in a ban.
- "Just kidding"-type disclaimers and smileys are not a get-out-of-jail free card. Tacking one on the end of a rude post doesn't make the rudeness go away.
Given your record so far, any assertions you are no longer interested in behaving in such an inflammatory manner is extremely difficult to believe.
~DougDevilsMutt, sorry, it does look like your last response was accidentally overlooked. Let's hopefully get this back on track:
Your proposal works for us, but it's entirely your responsibility to keep to that guidelines. What's going to draw our attention is if others have to clean up your work on the wiki - it's discourteous to create additional labor for other editors.
I will note that the word cruft issues may not get called out in the Get Help with English thread, so take a good steady eye and try to keep your examples as trim and efficient as possible, while still having enough context. I don't think we have a devoted thread to word cruft bloat, so you might want to make use of Ask the Tropers or search around for any additional resources.
Are we all good?
Can I have a suspension repeal, please?
I have been waiting for several hours. I know about the "we have lives" thing, but I want to plead my case that all I did was re-add examples to a Heartwarming page (You know, a page based on OPINIONS that is supposed to express troper beliefs which have disclaimers stating that it's based on opinion and you are not supposed to remove (with very rare exceptions)) after they were cut without an edit reason explaining why. I thought, scratch that, still believe that I was doing a good deed by protecting the rights of the original tropers who posted those examples. Isn't a Heartwarming page supposed to be a page that you can't delete things from without an edit reason unless they are blatantly untrue? There should have at least been a disclaimer stating why those examples couldn't be added back. Also, why? They had nothing to do with his crimes, at all, one of them was even an In-Universe moment that did not deal with him personally. All I wanted was to enforce the rights of others to express their opinions. When I'm unsuspended (given that I have been of some use to people on this site and my track record, I have confidence that I will be let back in as long as I am polite here), I plan to ask about this stuff on ATT before editing anything. I didn't think I would need to when I was protecting other tropers. I thought it was a good deed to add back their examples after they were cut without an edit reason.
People may think I have a single issue wonk. Well, they are half right; I am determined to help enforce the rights of others to express their opinions. I hate seeing their opinions on YMMV pages and the like being removed when they are strictly audience reactions. I feel that audience reactions should not be cut, as they are blatantly meant to be based solely on opinion. All I wanted was to enforce their rights to express those audience reactions. I see now that even in cases with audience reactions, I have to go to ATT first. I will always do that from now on. I will constantly post their before restoring anything. I still don't consider it edit warring though. I thought that it was only an edit war if something was cut with an edit reason, and than restored without an edit reason or going to ATT. There was no edit reason for why they were cut, so I thought I was completely justified if I put them back, and if they were cut again, the person who cut them would be the one edit warring, not me. Why can't I help others?
jjj
How sweet it is
~Lydia Power 8: Last year you were edit warring on What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? regarding the image. Also, sometime down the line there was a little tantrum when you decided that if we won't keep that pic you placed then it shall have none, which is being more of a dick.
Edited by Berrenta on Nov 20th 2019 at 9:39:37 AM
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How sweet it is
~bobg, it looks like you have been pushing apologia towards sex criminals. When child porn and molestation are involved, that's just...unacceptable.
I'm afraid you cannot contribute to this site any further. Sayonara.
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~ShivaHellfire, OK, verified that with your PM history. Glad you were intending to fix them, but FYI in the future that you should be reaching out as the first step if someone removes your entries and you'd like to restore them. Even if you recognize the correction after the fact, you are still edit warring by being the third edit in a add-delete-add cycle.
Got it?
Edited by nombretomado on Nov 17th 2019 at 12:38:33 PM