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Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#59726: Nov 5th 2019 at 3:37:52 AM

Speaking of Case Files, apparently the experiment that created Gray was started by Morgan of all people. Seems she really wants hersister back.

Ps. Kiara did nothing wrong.

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#59727: Nov 5th 2019 at 4:36:34 AM

Now the only thing I can imagine with Morgan being like "Welp, this whole dethroning my sister isn't going anywhere. I guess I will leave to Avalon to retire and- OH COME ON, now one of my children actually does her in!?"

Reminder that in some tellings, Arthur learned about Lancelot's affairs when visiting Morgan before she left to Avalon, during which he found a drawing of Lancelot and Guinevere drawn by the former when he was imprisoned by Morgan.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#59728: Nov 5th 2019 at 12:06:42 PM

So Morgan commissioned a drawing of Artoria's favorite knight boning her wife.

#JustSiblingThings

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#59729: Nov 5th 2019 at 12:23:23 PM

It was more like Lancelot had nothing else to do while Morgan tried to get him marry her. Yeah, Morgan apparently was attracted to Lancelot in that version. And there ware plenty where that came from, like another sorceress Hellawes who wanted Lancelot for herself. Preferably dead.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#59730: Nov 6th 2019 at 2:02:07 PM

You know what would be really damn cool? A horror story centering around Kiara's cult.

The protagonist would a wide-eyed young lass who Desperately Craves Affection and her friend the Only Sane Man, starting out the cult would come across as friendly and borderline utopic, showering the girl with affection, but as time goes the Only Sane Man starts noticing all the disturbing shit hidden beneath that facade while the girl gets increasingly brainwashed.

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#59731: Nov 8th 2019 at 7:31:13 AM

strange fake volume 6 to come out this winter

Requiem, Lostbelt 5, New Year's stream, this Winter seems a lot more packed than last year

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#59732: Nov 8th 2019 at 7:42:39 AM

Now that Narita's health seems to have improved, hopefully the releases will be more frequent.

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#59733: Nov 12th 2019 at 2:21:35 AM

Some more info from the HF II booklet as someone uploaded it in a video

  • If Zouken's goal was just immortality he would try to become a DA but he might have terrible DA affinity
  • Mind of Steel Shirou would win his HGW because plot
  • Saber Alter can't use Avalon because she no longer believes in utopia
  • The three founding families didn't create the Servant summoning incantation, but the Matous and Einzberns added "Here is my oath. I am the one who becomes all the good of the eternal world, I am the one who lays out all the evil of the eternal world." to represent their wish.

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#59735: Nov 12th 2019 at 8:39:18 AM

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That chant addition seems borderline Blasphemous Boast when you consider the Modus Operandi of the Matou and the Einzbern.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Nouct insert commentary here from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#59736: Nov 12th 2019 at 9:03:00 AM

I have the feeling that I can't quite articulate that if the incantation was created by the world and Zelretch was originally mentioned in it, it's just a massive joke about JJBA.

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#59737: Nov 12th 2019 at 9:15:56 AM

[up]Nasu- making Jo Jo references before it was popular.

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JRads47 Me Listening to You RN from Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center Since: Dec, 2014
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#59738: Nov 12th 2019 at 9:19:32 AM

Dude was super into Heritage for the Future, probably

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#59739: Nov 12th 2019 at 9:24:37 AM

I can see how MoS Shirou could take out most of the enemies, just not Gilgamesh. Like he can't kill Berserker, but he could just casually walk up to Ilya all friendly and then just rip her head off or whatever. And Tohsaka is probably currently in the middle of a nervous breakdown and not really capable of defending herself at that very moment.

But you hit a brick wall with Gilgamesh. Killing Kotomine won't accomplish anything and he can't use the UBW trump card against Gil, nor really plot against him given his clairvoyance.

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#59740: Nov 12th 2019 at 9:51:50 AM

Mind of Steel is that HF bad end, yes? Because if so no need to deal with Gil there because he's already dead.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#59741: Nov 12th 2019 at 9:54:43 AM

Wait, by the time you can pick the option of going the Mind of Steel bad ending, aren't most of the Servants already dead and Shirou got Shirou's arm?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59742: Nov 12th 2019 at 10:06:59 AM

Yeah, Gil's already dead. The Mind of Steel ending is about dealing with the remaining Masters.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#59743: Nov 12th 2019 at 11:01:28 AM

Wait, was he dead by that point? I guess he must have been. Who was still active at that point? I'm pretty sure Archer is in that scene so I don't think he got nommed yet, so Saber Alter shouldn't be active yet and Berserker still under Ilya.

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#59744: Nov 12th 2019 at 11:15:44 AM

Wouldn't killing Sakura by decapitation be impossible then?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59745: Nov 12th 2019 at 1:24:55 PM

Iirc, Shirou already has Archer's arm, which means the latter is already dead.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#59746: Nov 12th 2019 at 2:34:47 PM

The actual questions have been translated so just posted them for further detail.

Is the incantation for Heroic Spirit summoning something the three founding families invented? <Stay-at-home cat Kariyan>
  • Nasu: The original might be from somewhere else but detailed arrangements were made and the founding families included their wish, Kariyan.
  • Takeuchi: Wish?
  • Nasu: "To abolish all X from this world" is their... or rather Zouken and Justeaze's wish. Tokiomi Nagato was watching over the two's desire.

There are many faculties in the Clocktower so when Makiri Zolgen was in his Clocktower days which departments was he affiliated with? The paper he wrote regarding Ghost Liners was left with the Spiritual Evocation department, right? <Silver Moon Madao>

  • Nasu: Botany and curses. The research into reaching the Root that led him to the Einzberns was not an aside. He thought eternalizing the soul would also prove the existence of Ghost Liners.
  • Takeuchi: Is Heroic Spirit summoning the Einzbern's?
  • Nasu: Heroic Spirit summoning is Clock Tower magecraft. The Einzbern are the end of alchemists who wanted to achieve "materializing the soul" just once. The initial thought was if the Einzbern system (the Holy Grail) couldn't do this, at least it could summon Heroic Spirits.
  • Takeuchi: I see, did you understand the above, Madao-kun?

In the original work BAD END 30note  Kotomine declares that Shirou, who has found his resolve, will kill Zouken, Ilya, and Rin and survive. How does he defeat those three? <Hero of Justice>

  • Nasu: Based on Shirou's weak position he would need to disregard his own safety and completely engage in 1 person 1 killnote  battle tactics. In this situation the odds would be 1 (Shirou):9 (the enemy). Losing would mean instant death." In that fashion he would survive to the end.
  • Takeuchi: So then he'd win the Holy Grail War.
  • Nasu: If he trades all his time, happiness, and humanity to become a tool that exists to win then he'll somehow make it. However this tool is something that can only be used once. It can't be replenished to be used a second time.
  • Takeuchi: One cannot complete great deeds while sanenote . That's why they call it Iron Heart, huh.

When Zouken was looking to become immortal was becoming a Dead Apostle an option? If it was, please tell us why he didn't become a Dead Apostle. <Pon De>

  • Nasu: The Church arbitrarily hunts vampires. He didn't want to take that risk. If his aim (goal) was immortality then he might have become a vampire. After that well... it'd depend on how good his vampire affinity is. A certain Yumizuka's "You thought I was a C but I'm actually SSR!" idiosyncrasy is something only about 27 people in the world have!
  • Takeuchi: Eh? Isn't there actually a few more than that?
  • Nasu: Yeah it's an underestimate by about 3 people.

Edited by Nouct on Nov 12th 2019 at 2:35:34 AM

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#59747: Nov 12th 2019 at 2:42:51 PM

Silver moon asking the real lore questions

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#59748: Nov 12th 2019 at 3:24:38 PM

Happy Zouken keeping his plants free of worms 800 years ago

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#59749: Nov 12th 2019 at 8:05:25 PM

I knew Satsuki was insanely top percentile for a DA, but I didn't realized she was that good.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#59750: Nov 13th 2019 at 10:31:19 AM

Well, they do give numbers for how common it is for people to have various levels of DA affinity and the numbers end up looking very, very small once you get to people actually becoming a proper vampire in anything like a reasonable time frame. Or at all, really.


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